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Posted on Nov 9, 2014, 12:43 am
#1
Are you naturally shorter than your father or mother? If so, has this contributed significantly to your height neurosis?

Personally, I am somewhere around 3-3.5inches (7 to 9 CM) shorter than my father, which led to me frequently feeling as though I wasn't as much of as a man as him while growing up. I no longer feel that height determines manliness, as stupid of a concept as that even is, but, being shorter, I often feel inadequate, and as though I didn't meet my expectations of myself as an adult, even though everyone in my circle of family and friends has always told me that my height it fine, even though I am the shortest male, and that I was/am a wonderful person and so on.

Furthermore, I always felt too submissive around my father and taller male relatives, and, in my late teens, was felt really awkward about not ever "measuring up" to them, meaning that, when I failed to achieve as much in an area as they had at a given age, I felt inferior, both physically and mentally. I once felt that I could never become the man, inspiration, and leader my father was to me and others with a noticeably shorter height.

I also witnessed most of my friends growing taller than their fathers while I remained much shorter than mine. This, too, contributed to my feeling of inadequacy and being "different". I can definitely say that the height difference was a big factor in my development of height neurosis and self-confidence issues during my early years.


Years have passed, and I've since conquered the self-confidence issues and am very happy with the direction my adult life is taking. I do realize that my feelings were irrational and I have come a long way in becoming the person I dream of being. My father and I enjoy a very healthy relationship. I do not feel that my height is holding me back much, if at all, but my height neurosis still remains and I still beat myself up about height and get jealous of other people who are taller, although I don't act on those feelings besides participating in this forum and contemplating LL. I did go to a psychologist and they did nothing to get rid of the height neurosis. They confirmed that I am not depressed, and I am otherwise quite mentally healthy and stable. I just happen to have strong height dysphoria that I'm absolutely sick and tired of.

Can any of you relate? How did your own height differences compared to family members affect you mentally?
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Posted on Nov 9, 2014, 6:41 am
#2
Do you try to overcompensate often for your height?
Cause to me it sounds like you've got a napoleon complex, At your height 179-181cm it seems a bit weird even if you're shorter than your dad, I don't think that your psychologist's where very competent. I don't think that you're "quite mentally healthy and stable" if you're considering this highly invasive surgery. Have you ever experienced heightism in a real life social situation?
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Posted on Nov 9, 2014, 7:06 am
#3
Thank you very much for sharing your view of the situation. Yes I'm 179CM, but that's only 2CM taller than you are. If I am mentally unstable just for considering LL, then perhaps by that logic you are too. Human happiness is not a logical behavior, unfortunately. I always dreamt  of being tall, and  I fully expected to be as well, since my father is so tall.

I do try to overcompensate for my height, and I'm aware of it and trying to get rid of this irrational behavior. I often perceive that people are nicer and more willing to listen to the taller guys, but I use a few techniques to overcome this, such as being more outgoing and sociable and making extra effort to dress and act nicely. Height discrimination is really not enough of an issue to warrant LL. There is no real discrimination at 179CM.

But even in realizing this, I still want to be taller to match mental image of myself. This is probably the real reason I want to undergo the procedure. Even though I've realized the illogical and irrational nature of my height neurosis, it won't go away. The only explanation for it that makes sense to me is that I want to improve myself to match my dream version of myself, which I feel I shouldn've been all along.

This thread isn't made to justify my desire for LL either. I wrote about my experience to show how being shorter than my father impacted me psychologically as I finished physical development.


Thank you very much for your input though. I do really appreciate it.
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Posted on Nov 9, 2014, 9:43 am
#4
It sounds like you take this too seriously, I know a lot of people who are shorter than their dad (like me) and the common feeling is like you always thought you're going to be as tall as your dad and you're a bit sad about that. But that's it.

But to me it looks like you have a serious problem, you're mind is set on LL, I mean look at your posts, I think you have the most on this forum but you're not even an LL patient. This looks like some sort of addiction. I really don't want to encourage you to do LL, not because you're tall but because I don't want anyone to suffer as much as I did. I would like to say that you should try to forget this but I think you already tried that. Maybe LL would really help you, but only because you think that you need that although you don't. Anyways, good luck!
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Posted on Nov 9, 2014, 10:17 pm
#5
I can relate alot to what you wrote Taller but I don't think my insecurity runs as deep as yours. I took it very hard when I realized I wasn't growing anymore and yes it feels horrible to be much shorter than your dad it really does wreck havoc with your self-esteem. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with your brain, alot of people on here say we're crazy because supposedly the average height in english speaking countries is 5'10 so it has to be our problem.

I remember you wrote you sometimes go places where 188 CM seems barely average. It sounded strange but yesterday I saw what you meant: Me and dad were in Stockholm to see the premiere of a new movie and we had some time to kill which we did by walking around downtown (it's beautiful with the water and everything). Now my dad is not short he's around 187CM and while I'm bad at eye measurments and easily fooled by posture, the slope of the sidewalk, distance and the fact that he was carrying a heavy backpack but he still looked so small. You guys probably won't believe me but about a third of all the men were well above 190CM. I felt like a child, maybe 10-15 people out of hundreds were shorter than me that's when I knew I would never be tall where I live. I'm just hoping I can get to a point where I don't feel dwarfed in a crowd.

Sorry about all the text but I had to get that off my chest. Anyway what i meant to say is: it's okay to want to feel normal and to be proud of yourself. If you don't feel short don't do the operation it's not worth it to go from good to better but it may be a good decision if it helps to get rid of what feels like a heavy weight dragging you down every morning. If I were a decimeter taller I swear I wouldn't allow myself to be bitter. You're not crazy for wanting the surgery taller and when you get to point where you can finally accept yourself you'll be happy again. Everyone deserves that doesn't matter if you're 160CM or 190CM.
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Posted on Nov 9, 2014, 10:35 pm
#6
Quote from: Uppland on November 09, 2014, 10:17:11 PMI can relate alot to what you wrote Taller but I don't think my insecurity runs as deep as yours. I took it very hard when I realized I wasn't growing anymore and yes it feels horrible to be much shorter than your dad it really does wreck havoc with your self-esteem. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with your brain, alot of people on here say we're crazy because supposedly the average height in english speaking countries is 5'10 so it has to be our problem.

I remember you wrote you sometimes go places where 188 CM seems barely average. It sounded strange but yesterday I saw what you meant: Me and dad were in Stockholm to see the premiere of a new movie and we had some time to kill which we did by walking around downtown (it's beautiful with the water and everything). Now my dad is not short he's around 187CM and while I'm bad at eye measurments and easily fooled by posture, the slope of the sidewalk, distance and the fact that he was carrying a heavy backpack but he still looked so small. You guys probably won't believe me but about a third of all the men were well above 190CM. I felt like a child, maybe 10-15 people out of hundreds were shorter than me that's when I knew I would never be tall where I live. I'm just hoping I can get to a point where I don't feel dwarfed in a crowd.

Sorry about all the text but I had to get that off my chest. Anyway what i meant to say is: it's okay to want to feel normal and to be proud of yourself. If you don't feel short don't do the operation it's not worth it to go from good to better but it may be a good decision if it helps to get rid of what feels like a heavy weight dragging you down every morning. If I were a decimeter taller I swear I wouldn't allow myself to be bitter. You're not crazy for wanting the surgery taller and when you get to point where you can finally accept yourself you'll be happy again. Everyone deserves that doesn't matter if you're 160CM or 190CM.
that's pushing it
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Posted on Nov 9, 2014, 10:42 pm
#7
Thanks for your post Uppland. Stockholm is definitely a beautiful city indeed, especially in the evening!

I don't think that we experience any real discrimination at 179CM though. I just feel so far from the height I dreamed of being and often feel small, kind of like what you stated.

Have you talked with your friends or family about your feelings? I eventually did so after years of keeping it in and it proved very therapeutic, morsoe than the dumb psychologist I saw once.

This forum is also a great place to talk about these kinds of feelings relating to height. You're right, sometimes it feels great to get pent up frustrations off your chest and share them with others.

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Posted on Nov 9, 2014, 10:47 pm
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Quote from: Uppland on November 09, 2014, 10:17:11 PMI can relate alot to what you wrote Taller but I don't think my insecurity runs as deep as yours. I took it very hard when I realized I wasn't growing anymore and yes it feels horrible to be much shorter than your dad it really does wreck havoc with your self-esteem. That doesn't mean there is something wrong with your brain, alot of people on here say we're crazy because supposedly the average height in english speaking countries is 5'10 so it has to be our problem.

I remember you wrote you sometimes go places where 188 CM seems barely average. It sounded strange but yesterday I saw what you meant: Me and dad were in Stockholm to see the premiere of a new movie and we had some time to kill which we did by walking around downtown (it's beautiful with the water and everything). Now my dad is not short he's around 187CM and while I'm bad at eye measurments and easily fooled by posture, the slope of the sidewalk, distance and the fact that he was carrying a heavy backpack but he still looked so small. You guys probably won't believe me but about a third of all the men were well above 190CM. I felt like a child, maybe 10-15 people out of hundreds were shorter than me that's when I knew I would never be tall where I live. I'm just hoping I can get to a point where I don't feel dwarfed in a crowd.

Sorry about all the text but I had to get that off my chest. Anyway what i meant to say is: it's okay to want to feel normal and to be proud of yourself. If you don't feel short don't do the operation it's not worth it to go from good to better but it may be a good decision if it helps to get rid of what feels like a heavy weight dragging you down every morning. If I were a decimeter taller I swear I wouldn't allow myself to be bitter. You're not crazy for wanting the surgery taller and when you get to point where you can finally accept yourself you'll be happy again. Everyone deserves that doesn't matter if you're 160CM or 190CM.

Ok, I'll be visiting Stockholm soon then, need to check if this is true or if you're just delusional.
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Posted on Nov 9, 2014, 10:54 pm
#9
Quote from: Taller on November 09, 2014, 10:42:52 PMThanks for your post Uppland. Stockholm is definitely a beautiful city indeed, especially in the evening!

I don't think that we experience any real discrimination at 179CM though. I just feel so far from the height I dreamed of being and often feel small, kind of like what you stated.

Have you talked with your friends or family about your feelings? I eventually did so after years of keeping it in and it proved very therapeutic, morsoe than the dumb psychologist I saw once.

This forum is also a great place to talk about these kinds of feelings relating to height. You're right, sometimes it feels great to get pent up frustrations off your chest and share them with others.
spot on
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Posted on Nov 10, 2014, 12:10 am
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Quote from: 123 on November 09, 2014, 10:47:23 PMOk, I'll be visiting Stockholm soon then, need to check if this is true or if you're just delusional.

Go downtown on a saturday night. I'd think it was a coincidence but the next day  we were at a large store and most men there we're the same height as dad or taller and I only saw two people my height or shorter, I wish I was joking.

Really bad at estimating others height though but I know dad is 187 albeit with lousy posture.
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