The Dilemma of Pursuing LL

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Quote from: ZUCC420 on December 03, 2019, 12:56:52 PMRight now I'm 20 and I'm willing to wait for 10-15 years for a better solution, and don't be incognizant about new scientific revolutions around the horizon.
In 20 years you'll be 40, still short, and all that will be available is STRYDE III that jams 5% less often and bears 10% more weight.

You're choosing to believe in sci-fi rather than facing the truth.

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on December 04, 2019, 12:47:27 AMIn 20 years you'll be 40, still short, and all that will be available is STRYDE III that jams 5% less often and bears 10% more weight.

You're choosing to believe in sci-fi rather than facing the truth.

Exactly.
What we have today is not that much different than what we had 20 years ago. Stryde is basically just a mix of the best elements  of Fitbone (no-clicking, no twisting, more stable) and Albizzia/Betzbone (weight bearing) both which existed 20 years ago.

I knew about LL  since I was 15, when they told me I wouldn't grow up anymore, WAY before any LL forum existed.
I waited 15 years to finally do it. The ONLY regret I have is that I didn't do it 10-15 years earlier.
It would have saved me at least one decade of fighting heightism and the experience would have been pretty much the same (and with faster consolidation).

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Quote from: BetzLandLiberator on December 04, 2019, 12:54:35 AMI waited 15 years to finally do it. The ONLY regret I have is that I didn't do it 10-15 years earlier.
It would have saved me at least one decade of fighting heightism and the experience would have been pretty much the same (and with faster consolidation).

This reminds me of what Dr. Roger Li told me during a chat in the hospital.  The fee was $25,000 USD (about 30-35K in today's money I think) all-inclusive so that young people could get it and then start their lives.

Ideally, threads about how to get time off from your high-powered career and what to tell your wife and kids shouldn't be on here.

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Quote from: Medium Drink Of Water on December 04, 2019, 12:47:27 AMIn 20 years you'll be 40, still short, and all that will be available is STRYDE III that jams 5% less often and bears 10% more weight.

You're choosing to believe in sci-fi rather than facing the truth.

I'll give it 10-13 years, in time will gather the money as well. I'm 5'5" with a long torso and short limbs, it seems people that are shorter than me have longer arms and legs. I think if I was "normal" proportioned I would've been 5'8.

I have reasons to believe there would be a breakthrough in a decade or less, like artificial cartilage implant and bone decalcification etc as evidenced from past and recent studies (sheeps had cartilage implant done successfully in the 90s).

Many of you are making it out to be Sci-Fi without doing any of research, so I'd suggest to stop being so ignorant and gloomy. LL should be a last resort (not worth it for normal short men), veterans can testify.

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Quote from: Cloudo on December 03, 2019, 10:13:04 PMI think many of the users here on this forum need to join the army for at least a couple of months, they will start seeing life from a completely different perspective. The only reason I wanna do ll is because since I was a kid I always wanted to be tall and worked hard for it... basketball, drinking plenty of  milk, stretching you name it...  but of course all turned out to be lies with no benefit at all! I ended up being the exact same height as my twin brother, which proves that it is all genetics. I do think that taking hgh would have helped me though, but my parents rejected the idea as soon as they learned about the hormone course costs   

At the age of 7-9 I began to appreciate height and the many advantages it confers, especially to a boy after I went to preschool. All throughout my life, my height has held me back in a lot of ways that I'm sure most of you can relate and sympathize. This neurosis whether it resides in delusional or reality has griped me from a very young age, but I'm exceptionally competent at delaying gratification while analyzing and contemplating on a situation instead of acting injudiciously like most people. This trait has partially compensated for my lack of height and the pitfalls that brings with it.

My conclusion summarized is there isn't anything wrong with more height than less of it, for men that is. It's a dimorphic trait that signals stuff that's essential for asserting your will onto others and consequently the world. If you lack it as a man then the shame others inflict upon you whether implicitly or explicitly through there actions is akin to having a micropenis, which in turn ends up hindering and disrupting your ability to act appropriately (Confidence) while putting your manhood and identity into question (masculinity crisis), effectively emasculating you. And in order to compensate for such a perceived defect you'll have to amplify your presence and personality and pretend to be someone you're not, which isn't worth it first of all, and there isn't any evidence that it works better than simply being yourself.

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Quote from: ZUCC420 on December 04, 2019, 11:20:50 AMI'll give it 10-13 years, in time will gather the money as well. I'm 5'5" with a long torso and short limbs, it seems people that are shorter than me have longer arms and legs. I think if I was "normal" proportioned I would've been 5'8.

I have reasons to believe there would be a breakthrough in a decade or less, like artificial cartilage implant and bone decalcification etc as evidenced from past and recent studies (sheeps had cartilage implant done successfully in the 90s).

Many of you are making it out to be Sci-Fi without doing any of research, so I'd suggest to stop being so ignorant and gloomy. LL should be a last resort (not worth it for normal short men), veterans can testify.

Although it is a belief that advancements could occur, there is certainly no guarantee. That is the issue here. I have heard many people say that they will "wait for better advancements" with other types of procedures as well, only to wind up regretting not doing it earlier or changing their mind about waiting. Unfortunately, when it comes to something as major as LL, time is not on your side. The older you get, the harder it will be to recover not just on a physical level and emotional level but on a financial level as well. That is just the reality of the situation. Add in a marriage, kids and far more financial responsibilities, you can almost certainly forget it at that point as it will be next to impossible even if you are making a sustainable wage.

Now I will say this, I have respect for people who feel they don't need the surgery or change their minds about it. If you don't need it, you don't need it. I can respect that. But as far as waiting for "technological advancements", I wouldn't hold my breathe on that personally. There may be a few "minor" advancements with Stryde over the course of 10 to 15 years, but not enough for me to wait till I am pushing 40 to find out.

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Quote from: Cas on December 04, 2019, 05:35:52 PMThe older you get, the harder it will be to recover not just on a physical level and emotional level but on a financial level as well.

That's a half-truth. I mean, if you care about being able to retire comfortably in this day and age, you wanna invest money and build up capital anyway, and the earlier you start investing and saving, the better. The 30,000 dollars a 25 year old spends on LL could become a hundred thousand by the time he's 35 if he decides to invest it wisely instead. Of course it depends on one's individual financial situation. If you're broke at 40, LL might not be a good decision. But generally, older people have more money and can afford to take some of it for unnecessary things, compared to younger people.

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Sorry but this is as good as it gets. There's now fully weight bearing nails everything else is reducing nerve damage and muscle regrowth. This mostly depends on the individual.
You're already in limbo and you have height neurosis.
If you're noticeably below average therapy isn't going to help because you know full well you're at a disadvantage in life and your daily interactions are only going to reinforce this.
As for you Bruce Wayne, I know by your obsessive nature of analysing others height ,it affects you more than most.
Get a good surgeon and get the surgery.

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on December 04, 2019, 06:25:00 PMThat's a half-truth. I mean, if you care about being able to retire comfortably in this day and age, you wanna invest money and build up capital anyway, and the earlier you start investing and saving, the better. The 30,000 dollars a 25 year old spends on LL could become a hundred thousand by the time he's 35 if he decides to invest it wisely instead. Of course it depends on one's individual financial situation. If you're broke at 40, LL might not be a good decision. But generally, older people have more money and can afford to take some of it for unnecessary things, compared to younger people.

True, but that's assuming the wise investment will continue to gain over time. Keep in mind, people have lost money on investments. Even investments that some considered "safe". Someone with $30,000 today could potentially have $100,000 in 10 years, that is true. But unfortunately, you could just as easily lose that all that money in one swoop or find yourself pinching off of money if something major comes up and you could find yourself right back where you started. Things happen and people fall on hard times. Honestly, when I look around there aren't very many people in their 20s thinking about retirement these days or better yet, what was considered the "traditional" retirement plan many years ago. The only ones who I see talking about retirement in their 20s are those who come from well off families and have been set up before they were born, but that is only my experience so far.

I would also like to add that you have to evaluate what you think is best for you. If you're a person who can get by without LL, then please do so. If you are guy who is pushing 6 feet tall, then I believe having LL will be of no real benefit and the money saved should be invested elsewhere. I can only speak for myself that at 5'3, I hold no delusions about my height. I know my stature plays a roll in how I am perceived not just in the dating world but in a general perspective. Even if I won the lottery tomorrow, I would still move forward with LL.

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Quote from: Cloudo on December 03, 2019, 04:55:53 PMDie alone? Dude there are billions of girls out there to marry. It's just that you are one of those guys who refuse to change their standards. I swear I have seen guys with no limbs marrying very attractive girls. I have three friends who are over 190 cm, they are in their mid 30s and still virgins. Learning how to attract a girl is a social skill that requires learning to acquire. If your looks are close to what the media considers "handsome" then sure it might be easier because the initial attraction is easier, but that's about it.
@TinyTL was just going by his own first hand experience. Don't take him seriously.
Quote from: TinyTL on November 10, 2018, 10:38:01 PMI am 30. Let me tell you something, if i had cash i'd have this done when i was 20.
so many opportunities lost... i wouldnt be in this situation if I had changed my destiny.

alone on a weekend, 30 years old. The future seems like an empty black wall, I don't think what awaits me but this pain is unbearable at times.
I wish i could go back in time and live a better life.. fk it..
Quote from: TinyTL on September 25, 2018, 06:11:17 PMI can save up money instead and do LL in 2 years, but thats 2 years of my time wasted on walking around in the body i dont feel confortable with. Low self-esteem, missed oppourtinities.
Or I can sell the apartment, use 70% of that on Paley next month and enjoy life.