Oh thanks for clarifying 
Still I really don't understand why he is alone, I mean if it was his choice then sure why not? There are many people who are not interested in sex or relationships. But he seems to feel so bad about being lonely! I know five youtubers who are either missing their 4 limbs or dwarves, yet they are married to attractive girls.
Never blame the lack of relationships on your height.
Quote from: Cas on December 04, 2019, 08:31:57 PMTrue, but that's assuming the wise investment will continue to gain over time. Keep in mind, people have lost money on investments. Even investments that some considered "safe". Someone with $30,000 today could potentially have $100,000 in 10 years, that is true. But unfortunately, you could just as easily lose that all that money in one swoop or find yourself pinching off of money if something major comes up and you could find yourself right back where you started. Things happen and people fall on hard times. Honestly, when I look around there aren't very many people in their 20s thinking about retirement these days or better yet, what was considered the "traditional" retirement plan many years ago. The only ones who I see talking about retirement in their 20s are those who come from well off families and have been set up before they were born, but that is only my experience so far.
I would also like to add that you have to evaluate what you think is best for you. If you're a person who can get by without LL, then please do so. If you are guy who is pushing 6 feet tall, then I believe having LL will be of no real benefit and the money saved should be invested elsewhere. I can only speak for myself that at 5'3, I hold no delusions about my height. I know my stature plays a roll in how I am perceived not just in the dating world but in a general perspective. Even if I won the lottery tomorrow, I would still move forward with LL.
Of course there's always some risk with investments, but it's quite minimal if you do it right. If you invest in an index fund like the MSCI world, you can expect a 14% yield every year (average out of the last 32 years, including the 2008 financial recession).
I can totally understand your feelings, especially seeing you're 5'3'', and I believe happiness must be found in way that's right for the individual person. Making everyone who's below average height taller with LL is not the solution, for example, since that would just raise the average height massively and the shorter ones would still be the shorter ones. Still, LL can be the way, or part of the way to happiness, for individuals. In that sense, I agree that people have to evalute what's best for them.
I think it's a very precious endavour to try to come to terms with the body you were given (to "play with the cards you were dealt", so to speak). Or if you do LL, come to terms with your height and how you turn out after the procedure. Even if it's a life-long effort.
Quote from: Cloudo on December 04, 2019, 09:34:48 PMOh thanks for clarifying 
Still I really don't understand why he is alone, I mean if it was his choice then sure why not? There are many people who are not interested in sxx or relationships. But he seems to feel so bad about being lonely! I know five youtubers who are either missing their 4 limbs or dwarves, yet they are married to attractive girls.
Never blame the lack of relationships on your height.
Are these youtubers famous? Because having high status can compensate for a lot of things.
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on December 05, 2019, 01:09:01 AMI think it's a very precious endavour to try to come to terms with the body you were given (to "play with the cards you were dealt", so to speak).
Play with s h i tty cards, in a losing game? No thanks chief.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on December 05, 2019, 08:55:27 AMAre these youtubers famous? Because having high status can compensate for a lot of things.
Play with s h i tty cards, in a losing game? No thanks chief.
Nope, they are barely even known. Only one of them has 20000 subscribers(which isn't really good enough in today's standards). One of the dwarves is kind of rich though! Not filthy rich, just one of those people who make 6 figures annually.
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on December 05, 2019, 01:09:01 AMOf course there's always some risk with investments, but it's quite minimal if you do it right. If you invest in an index fund like the MSCI world, you can expect a 14% yield every year (average out of the last 32 years, including the 2008 financial recession).
I can totally understand your feelings, especially seeing you're 5'3'', and I believe happiness must be found in way that's right for the individual person. Making everyone who's below average height taller with LL is not the solution, for example, since that would just raise the average height massively and the shorter ones would still be the shorter ones. Still, LL can be the way, or part of the way to happiness, for individuals. In that sense, I agree that people have to evalute what's best for them.
I think it's a very precious endavour to try to come to terms with the body you were given (to "play with the cards you were dealt", so to speak). Or if you do LL, come to terms with your height and how you turn out after the procedure. Even if it's a life-long effort.
I agree. I believe if you have LL, you have to be aware and come to terms with how things will turn out afterwards. Even if you have LL and everything goes well without a hitch, you have to be able to make peace and move forward with your life. The same goes for if you decide against. For example, the OP has been here for awhile now and it is rather obvious that they are unhappy with the current height that they are at. I have seen the OP post repeatedly about their dilemma in regards to pursuing LL, often making long posts about how they would if they could but they can't for one reason or another. Now most people would either make the jump and move forward towards having the surgery(saving up, taking out a loan, or something to move forward) or just move on and accept where they are in their current position and forget about LL. Shoot I'd go out on a limb and say the vast majority of new users who sign up looking for information on LL usually wind up passing on it after they find out one thing or another about it that they won't be able to accept or handle. But they don't stay and they usually don't come back. We have a few that troll here but I don't even count them.
Unfortunately, the OP will have to make a choice sooner or later. They can either choose to move forward, accept the risks and have the surgery or accept where they are, come to peace with it and move on as pointed by multiple people in the thread.
Quote from: Cloudo on December 05, 2019, 09:57:31 AMNope, they are barely even known. Only one of them has 20000 subscribers(which isn't really good enough in today's standards). One of the dwarves is kind of rich though! Not filthy rich, just one of those people who make 6 figures annually.
Then I don't think you've accurately assessed their partner's attractiveness or your standard is different, after all attractiveness is subjective to some extent.
Quote from: Cas on December 05, 2019, 05:44:13 PMI agree. I believe if you have LL, you have to be aware and come to terms with how things will turn out afterwards. Even if you have LL and everything goes well without a hitch, you have to be able to make peace and move forward with your life. The same goes for if you decide against. For example, the OP has been here for awhile now and it is rather obvious that they are unhappy with the current height that they are at. I have seen the OP post repeatedly about their dilemma in regards to pursuing LL, often making long posts about how they would if they could but they can't for one reason or another. Now most people would either make the jump and move forward towards having the surgery(saving up, taking out a loan, or something to move forward) or just move on and accept where they are in their current position and forget about LL. Shoot I'd go out on a limb and say the vast majority of new users who sign up looking for information on LL usually wind up passing on it after they find out one thing or another about it that they won't be able to accept or handle. But they don't stay and they usually don't come back. We have a few that troll here but I don't even count them.
Unfortunately, the OP will have to make a choice sooner or later. They can either choose to move forward, accept the risks and have the surgery or accept where they are, come to peace with it and move on as pointed by multiple people in the thread.
It should go without saying but unfortunately people are wholly irrational when it comes to making life changing decisions, well said anyway.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on December 05, 2019, 07:14:54 PMThen I don't think you've accurately assessed their partner's attractiveness or your standard is different, after all attractiveness is subjective to some extent.
It should go without saying but unfortunately people are wholly irrational when it comes to making life changing decisions, well said anyway.
I personally found these girls just average, but the people in the comments kept mentioning how attractive they were. Anyway, my main point was just to point out that the lack of height is no excuse for someone to stay alone forever, unless that's what they want!
Quote from: Cloudo on December 05, 2019, 07:43:07 PMI personally found these girls just average, but the people in the comments kept mentioning how attractive they were. Anyway, my main point was just to point out that the lack of height is no excuse for someone to stay alone forever, unless that's what they want!
What the chumps in this thread don't realize is they can get the surgery and still have the same shïttÿ personality they put on full display here. Insecure, blame shifting, loathing guys who are trying to bat way out of their league in life thinking a measly 2 inches will solve all their issues.
Quote from: Cloudo on December 05, 2019, 07:43:07 PMI personally found these girls just average, but the people in the comments kept mentioning how attractive they were. Anyway, my main point was just to point out that the lack of height is no excuse for someone to stay alone forever, unless that's what they want!
I agree 100%.
Quote from: soitchi on December 05, 2019, 10:58:47 PMWhat the chumps in this thread don't realize is they can get the surgery and still have the same shïttÿ personality they put on full display here. Insecure, blame shifting, loathing guys who are trying to bat way out of their league in life thinking a measly 2 inches will solve all their issues.
Let those fools find out the hard way I say!
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