The LL hate is worrying me

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hey there everyone, i've been into the idea of LL for awhile now due to my height neurosis and after constant research i found out that this procedure is subjectively worth it for me in the long run.

But something that sometimes bothers me is how much this procedure is made fun of and hated especially in the mainstream communities as of late. And i understand that no one opinion should matter when it comes to my life decisions but it still kinda make me feel like i might be the one in the wrong and my height neurosis is making me accept this type of surgery more than i should.

I might sound stupid for some of you (i understand) but i hope at least i can find a rational opinion on this forum that might help me with my doubts.

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@lessthanavg300 hey man, been reading your diary for awhile and learned a lot of stuff (and congrats on your new height 👏🏼)

And I 100% understand why you would find it ridiculous at my initial height as many people have it way worse than i will ever have, but as spoiled as i might sound but my height has caused me a lot of issues throughout the years and it played a huge role in my Persistent Depressive Disorder since height is the main thing that i think about in my life (even though i may have objectively worse problems, my height for some reason worries me more) and even though i've been seeking a therapist for 3 years now and ngl medication definitely helped me relax a bit but i always find myself in an endless cycle of just feeling bad about my height which been altering my social life for awhile now.

Again i genuinely agree that some people may be acting like crybabies complaining about their heights at certain acceptable sizes but sadly height dysphoria is a real thing at no matter what height you are. Just like how depression is a real thing no matter how rich and successful you are (i hope that puts my situation a little bit more into perspective)

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Quote from: DanishViking on May 17, 2023, 04:16:46 PMI have a had time understanding why you would care about what other people think about the surgery to begin with. If people don't support or understand why you would do this surgery to get a better life and better mental health then F... them...

i would assume you meant *you have a hard time understanding...*, but yeah the reason comes from me believing that before taking massive decisions in your life such as this surgery you should make sure to hear from all sides and form an objective decision that will be the best for you in the long run and as much as i believe on paper this surgery is the best thing that could happen to me, it still worries me that sometimes i come across majority of people agreeing to make fun of and calling this procedure (barbaric, stupid, throwing your body away and ext....) which can obviously make me hesitant (even though i read almost all diaries and heard from all doctors you could possibly imagine) so you can obviously say i did enough research but i felt like posting this will help me find people who actually went through a similar issue and yet found the courage to still do the surgery so maybe it can serve as a motivation boost.

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Quote from: informationispower on May 17, 2023, 04:33:28 PMHave you recieved any negative comments from anyone?

I've been growing in an environment where everyone believe and preach about "taller is superior" (which is of course stupid but growing up with this ideology will definitely play with your subconscious mind even if u might try to change it) and me being arguably average height, most of my peers ended up taller than me and even my family teases me sometimes of how they expected me to be somewhat taller which is the nail in the coffin for me.

And as much as i believe that they don't take their comments that serious it definitely took a toll on me and i would say ruined a lot of years of my life by constantly worrying about my height and ignoring my successes on other departments due to my extreme insecurity.

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Quote from: YOUNGandSTRONG on May 17, 2023, 05:32:55 PMThere is a popular saying "don't give a f***", if you undergo this procedure it is your decision, not that of others, people are and always will be prejudiced, LL will not save you from that but you will be able to take advantage of the benefits that bring and make your sacrifice and determination shine and if the view of others is limiting and extremely poor, there with them.
By the way, I'm the same age as you and I want to have surgery with the same doctor, blessings.

i like how straightforward that sounds haha, i kind of needed a little aggressive reality check.

And wishes you nothing but luck in reaching your desired height. Cheers!

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Quote from: hippo60 on May 17, 2023, 08:44:07 PMI totally understand how the comments you see online can be intimidating. The thing is, there is a lot of hate online (unfortunately in this forum too!) towards a lot of stuff, not just LL. A lot of the comments are from people who don't know anything about the procedure and think you're going to be crippled for the rest of your life etc. Need to remember that context.

I can tell you from my own personal experience that the feedback I received so far about the surgery has been amazing! People have been very supportive about it, and at "worst" they just didn't understand why I did it, but that's pretty much it. I was also initially a bit worried about the reactions (even tho I always planned to talk about it and didn't intend to try to hide it), but now I'm a lot more comfortable.

Another thing that works for you is your age. In your early 20s you might still pull off the "late growth spurt" and not even mention LL to anyone outside close family/friends etc.

Exactly, the scary comments that i come across here and there makes me doubt every piece of information i gathered about LL, which you well explained how most of people don't really know anything about this procedure as much as us people who are obsessed with our height and made ton of research or i might say former obsessed (like you haha, congrats on that).

And quite honestly it's pretty impressive how you had complete support from people around you, that makes me extremely jealous ngl since i doubt my entourage will be fine with it but hey we do it for our own acceptance to ourselves at the end of the day.

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Quote from: Jaki19 on May 17, 2023, 10:02:56 PMBro youre 1.76m. Get some hobby’s and a gf or something.  LL is lot for you

I remember someone writing something along the lines of, This forum is divided by two types of people (actual short people who are discriminated against and really needs this surgery to improve their lives) and (average people who wants to get rid of their height neurosis and just wanna move on with their lives), you could tell i'm from the latter group and there should be nothing wrong with it as dr paley himself mentioned how even above average people themselves seek for LL since height is relative and usually perceived by how you look compared to your environment.

Source: https://paleyeurope.com/en/what-do-we-treat/cosmetic-limb-lengthening/

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I agree with hippo60, people aren't really that much invested into our life decisions, like sure some of them might get surprised, worried or shocked but that reaction will barely last as people will just move on with their lives and focus on what really matters for them and their actual life.

We are worried because we spent months upon months thinking about this procedure and the stigma behind it, this is why we might see it as this big of a deal in the eyes of people, but in reality is you're not that special.

I know I might not be the right person to talk since I started this whole worrying thread but once you really think about it you realise how life is too short (no pun intended) to worry about people judging you for making your OWN LIFE better

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Quote from: uponly on May 18, 2023, 06:20:01 PMIt's been long established by Dr's, therapists, etc. that there's no height cutoff when it comes to height neurosis.

If this makes you happy, do it. I started at 179 CM and I'm almost done, ending up 187.5 or so (got a bit extra from legs being straighter as a result of CLL, which sometimes happens).

I can't tell you how happy I am with both my new height, as well as my new proportions (my femurs were stupid short compared to the rest of my body). Do what's best for you, don't worry about what everyone else thinks.

Also, the stigma around this procedure is dying and dying fast. I've been open about this with a lot of people, more than I intended. I found them to be curious, supportive, and positive. Two other people are looking into doing this as a result of hearing about CLL via me, one now very seriously. Look how many Drs are offering it now vs just 5 years ago. In 10 years it will be mainstream.

Good luck on your journey and keep us posted.

Thanks man, comments like that are a huge relief when your doubts gets stronger. I've read couple your posts as well in the past and seeing you proud of your new appearance is genuinely making me smile, i'm pretty sure after this whole thing you will be appreciating things even more and your confidence will skyrocket not just because of your new height but because of the sheer of determination you had through this whole process which will definitely help you in different aspects of your NEW LIFE. Blessings man!

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Quote from: EndGame on May 20, 2023, 03:14:32 PM
This is in some senses a blue pill vs red pill debate, and I doubt anyone changes their opinion based on the other sides arguments

Yeah, let's just accept the fact that some people are going to be open about their procedures and others will not and it's fine in both cases.

Remember, we're going through this whole journey to finally feel comfortable in our lives so no need to overthink stuff.