This is why I never wanted to go to Russia in the first place.
I've heard these stories as well and a couple others where patients break their legs after frame removal.
Very bad!
But many times it's bc of stupid patients.
Quote from: Sweden on August 04, 2014, 02:21:30 PMThis is why I never wanted to go to Russia in the first place.
I've heard these stories as well and a couple others where patients break their legs after frame removal.
Very bad!
But many times it's bc of stupid patients.
Im sure there exists stories about leg breakage in most LL countries :p But yeah for sure it is not always the doctors fault.
Quote from: Wannabegiant on August 04, 2014, 02:19:13 PMThe 2 first stories i am aware about, the girl who fractured her leg (her leg got bent actually, so she had to redo the process), the reason that happened was because she started doing sports/activities before she was allowed too. You are supposed to use crutches for a while after frame removal and then for at least 6 months not do any sports. So since she didnt follow the doctors advice she still has issues 2 years after surgery. At least im pretty sure this is the same girl as you where talking about.
The russian man, i know him and have talked a lot with him, and i already mentioned that he blames himself for his problems now, he admits to not following instructions, lengthening to fast and not slowing down when he got a severe infection, also overexerted himself to early, and developed ballerina in one leg. He also had like 6 mm discrepancy between his legs when he was done with the lengthening phase and had to fix that, and a few months afterwards decided to add 5 mm more to both legs. This coupled with slower than average consolidation is the reason why it took him so long, but he doesnt blame Bagirov.
The last thing you mention i have never heard about, who did the surgery in Baku? i have a hard time imagining Fachri would just show you a failed case of a patient if he himself was the surgeon and he was at fault for the failure. He is a doctor so it doesnt sound believable he would laugh if he caused the patients those problems. I know Fachri and have talked a lot with him. More likely that patient didnt follow instructions and most likely lengthened to much or turned those other screws that are used for correction more than he should have.
Btw i got a PM (will keep the user private) that told me Bagirovs clinic does not allow patients to lengthen at home anymore because some patients dont "follow their instructions" and hurt themselves. This poster was going to do the surgery with Bagirov but might not be able to now because he cant afford to be away for 3 months to lengthen.
Im almost 100% sure this decision of the clinic has a lot to do with your case of lengthening and how you completely neglected their recommendations.
wannabe,... let's put this all out there... let's be honest
ill address case number 1
1- according to what i heard, it was not because of sports issues... but again, i don't know know... unlike you, who claims to know 100% sure how it happened,i do not... you post as if you know... which you obviously do not... you are posting what you were told.... you could be right, but you could be wrong... if this was an isolated case, then okay.... but it clearly is not
2-the russian man, used to blame the drs.... he changes... but the fact is he's still in frames almost a year later after lengthening around 4 cm
3-who did the surgery in baku??? i already stated... fahri... the man that oversees everyone's treatment after surgery..... now you seem to be just giving excuses as to why it happened... but i'm the one he showed... and yes, he absolutely thought it was comical, whether you want to believe it or not....... the man also had severe ballerina...... in your defense of fahri, you fail to mention he did this without the permission of bagirov, which i think he needs... that was actually my main point.... he diid it without bagirov knowing, and yes, he told me not to say anything, though he didn't seem too concerned about telling me... i don't know exactly why this man's legs are deformed now, but again... this isn't an isolated case, there are others.... cases of alignment,etc\
in facrt, id say the majority of cases i know of have these complications,which is exactly the point.... if its happening so much, perhaps the drs have a part of the blame
i wanna address your last comment... how i completely neglected their recommendations.... again, you sound like a spokesman more than an unbiased 3rd party observer
first of all, you have no idea what they recommended... because we have never met
i can tell you their recommendations....keep legs straight, try to keep ankle straight.... that's all
there was absolutely no recommended exercises or pt plan given to me..... there was no instruction on proper pin site care,etc... there was no pt done at all while i was there, and there was no x ray taken after the surgery, even though i was there a few weeks after...
regarding the statement that bagirov doesn't allow patients now to lengthen at home... then where do they lengthen??? surely not in russia, as the clinic has 4rooms, and no guesthouse....so where are these new patients lengthening?
baku? for $1800 euro a month? it is not in Moscow, that is for sure
Quote from: crimsontide on August 04, 2014, 02:43:28 PMwannabe,... let's put this all out there... let's be honest
ill address case number 1
1- according to what i heard, it was not because of sports issues... but again, i don't know know... unlike you, who claims to know 100% sure how it happened,i do not... you post as if you know... which you obviously do not... you are posting what you were told.... you could be right, but you could be wrong... if this was an isolated case, then okay.... but it clearly is not
2-the russian man, used to blame the drs.... he changes... but the fact is he's still in frames almost a year later after lengthening around 4 cm
3-who did the surgery in baku??? i already stated... fahri... the man that oversees everyone's treatment after surgery..... now you seem to be just giving excuses as to why it happened... but i'm the one he showed... and yes, he absolutely thought it was comical, whether you want to believe it or not....... the man also had severe ballerina...... in your defense of fahri, you fail to mention he did this without the permission of bagirov, which i think he needs... that was actually my main point.... he diid it without bagirov knowing, and yes, he told me not to say anything, though he didn't seem too concerned about telling me... i don't know exactly why this man's legs are deformed now, but again... this isn't an isolated case, there are others.... cases of alignment,etc\
in facrt, id say the majority of cases i know of have these complications,which is exactly the point.... if its happening so much, perhaps the drs have a part of the blame
i wanna address your last comment... how i completely neglected their recommendations.... again, you sound like a spokesman more than an unbiased 3rd party observer
first of all, you have no idea what they recommended... because we have never met
i can tell you their recommendations....keep legs straight, try to keep ankle straight.... that's all
there was absolutely no recommended exercises or pt plan given to me..... there was no instruction on proper pin site care,etc... there was no pt done at all while i was there, and there was no x ray taken after the surgery, even though i was there a few weeks after...
regarding the statement that bagirov doesn't allow patients now to lengthen at home... then where do they lengthen??? surely not in russia, as the clinic has 4rooms, and no guesthouse....so where are these new patients lengthening? baku? for $1800 euro a month? it is not in Moscow, that is for sure
I got told that story by the nurses, of course we used a translator on my phone but i see no reason why they would lie. In your version of the story you just claim the legs bent or broke, but you didnt mentioned why it happened. Im more inclined to believe that it happened because she was to active before she was allowed to rather than it happening for no reason other than removing the frames to early. I met former patients there and they all seemed very knowledgable of the clinic and they all claim Bagirov was a good doctor. He wouldnt have a good reputation if peoples leg broke or bent because of removing the frame to early even if the patients followed his instructions. Btw you are talking crap again, i never claimed i knew 100% what happened, that should be obvious since i wasnt there to see it happen. We also have no reason to believe this isnt an isolated case, or a very rary case at least.
2. Nope, ive talked to him very often ever since i met him during my first stay at the clinic in mars, he has never told me it was Bagirovs fault. He also mentioned that he has been talking to you, and that you do not follow doctors recommendations. We already know you lengthened to fast.
3. Im not making excuses, just your story sounds very unbelievable, it wouldnt suprise me if you misunderstood what Fachri was saying since his english isnt very good at all, he uses a translator and it can get very inaccurate from the original message intended. Also like i suspected you have no idea why he got deformed legs, so why assume it was the doctors fault?
If we are being honest here, you dont have any case where we can say for sure the doctors made the patient have deformed legs, at most you might have 1. you cant make a hyperbole out of that and claim "it is happening so much", thats just laughable.
The reason im not likely to taking your side over the doctors, is because they have mentioned at the clinic that you where lazy, the things ive read in this diary makes it seem very apparent that they are correct too. Also, i have no problems and i followed the instructions so i have no reason not to believe them that if you follow instructions you will be fine.
They told me use a footholder, they gave me a box at the clinic to keep my feet 90 degrees. Walk ca 3 times a day in the beginning and more as you recover. Also stretch the achilles by pushing up the toes/front part of the feet towards the knee, this can be achieved in many ways, doesnt take a genious to figure out. Keeping the legs straight to prevent knee bend.
This combined with taking the medicine in correct order, and how to use ointment for infections, avoid getting water in the pin sites, and not lengthen faster than 0.75 mm/day, slow down if i get to much pain (which never got) or infection. Also since i already told them how much i intended to lengthen they didnt have to mention any limits. im sure if i told them i wanted 8 cm they would have warned me of the risks.
majority of these things are the same as they told you, the others i made sure to ask them about because i did my research about what you should know before doing LL.
The only pt you need is to stretch akilles and walk, im sure they told you this. I didnt get an x-ray either before i returned ca 2 months later for check up.
In terms of pin site care, all i needed to know how to do it was watch one of the nurses do it, they used anti septic fluid and sterilized
compressors. not difficult.
And yes apparantly they have them lengthen at an appartment in Baku now.
Quote from: Wannabegiant on August 04, 2014, 03:13:51 PMI got told that story by the nurses, of course we used a translator on my phone but i see no reason why they would lie. In your version of the story you just claim the legs bent or broke, but you didnt mentioned why it happened. Im more inclined to believe that it happened because she was to active before she was allowed to rather than it happening for no reason other than removing the frames to early. I met former patients there and they all seemed very knowledgable of the clinic and they all claim Bagirov was a good doctor. He wouldnt have a good reputation if peoples leg broke or bent because of removing the frame to early even if the patients followed his instructions. Btw you are talking crap again, i never claimed i knew 100% what happened, that should be obvious since i wasnt there to see it happen. We also have no reason to believe this isnt an isolated case, or a very rary case at least.
2. Nope, ive talked to him very often ever since i met him during my first stay at the clinic in mars, he has never told me it was Bagirovs fault. He also mentioned that he has been talking to you, and that you do not follow doctors recommendations. We already know you lengthened to fast.
3. Im not making excuses, just your story sounds very unbelievable, it wouldnt suprise me if you misunderstood what Fachri was saying since his english isnt very good at all, he uses a translator and it can get very inaccurate from the original message intended. Also like i suspected you have no idea why he got deformed legs, so why assume it was the doctors fault?
If we are being honest here, you dont have any case where we can say for sure the doctors made the patient have deformed legs, at most you might have 1. you cant make a hyperbole out of that and claim "it is happening so much", thats just laughable.
The reason im not likely to taking your side over the doctors, is because they have mentioned at the clinic that you where lazy, the things ive read in this diary makes it seem very apparent that they are correct too. Also, i have no problems and i followed the instructions so i have no reason not to believe them that if you follow instructions you will be fine.
They told me use a footholder, they gave me a box at the clinic to keep my feet 90 degrees. Walk ca 3 times a day in the beginning and more as you recover. Also stretch the achilles by pushing up the toes/front part of the feet towards the knee, this can be achieved in many ways, doesnt take a genious to figure out. Keeping the legs straight to prevent knee bend.
This combined with taking the medicine in correct order, and how to use ointment for infections, avoid getting water in the pin sites, and not lengthen faster than 0.75 mm/day, slow down if i get to much pain (which never got) or infection. Also since i already told them how much i intended to lengthen they didnt have to mention any limits. im sure if i told them i wanted 8 cm they would have warned me of the risks.
majority of these things are the same as they told you, the others i made sure to ask them about because i did my research about what you should know before doing LL.
The only pt you need is to stretch akilles and walk, im sure they told you this. I didnt get an x-ray either before i returned ca 2 months later for check up.
In terms of pin site care, all i needed to know how to do it was watch one of the nurses do it, they used anti septic fluid and sterilized
compressors. not difficult.
And yes apparantly they have them lengthen at an appartment in Baku now.
1--yes, you did claim you knew... you stated it as a fact
2-actually.... he told me differently... again, i know what the russian patient said to me... but you do not, as you are not me
3- i did not misunderstand what he was saying..., please, stop the excuses... he showed me photos, translated, etc etc... I'm 100% sure i know what he said to me... again, since i was the one he told, and you weren't there, so what you think of what he told me has 0% weight.. i was the only person there talking to him, you were not
4-why make assumptions? let us look at at all the known cll patients we know that went to dr bagirov.... the girl, russian guy, you, and another person that has a diary on another board... all of us, except you have had serious issues... so i can infer from that... i never said i know for a fact, but its a reasonable conclusion
5- they told you i was lazy?? you do realize you are not helping the case of your drs here, don't you??? most patients want confidentiality.... not to mention it isn't true, but even if it were, its hardly proper to tell other patients a patient is lazy...
again, you keep talking about he majority of things, etc etc that i was told.... again, you have no idea, because you were not there... i do not presume to know what they told you, so i don't comment on it, but for some reason, you know exactly what i was told
you mention about taking the medicines in correct order... again... i was never told that... do not assume it
i was walking.... it did not prevent ballerina.... your statement that you did not receive an x ray for a few months hardly makes the clinic look better by the way....
let's actually talk about you now though.... according to you, you will have frames on maybe 3 more months.... so we are talking 8 months,maybe more.... that is getting close to 2 months for each cm.... the slow end, though you are supposed to be his top patient...
maybe it's time we all posted videos of our progress.... and put it all out there
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Quote from: crimsontide on August 04, 2014, 04:02:40 PM1--yes, you did claim you knew... you stated it as a fact
2-actually.... he told me differently... again, i know what the russian patient said to me... but you do not, as you are not me
3- i did not misunderstand what he was saying..., please, stop the excuses... he showed me photos, translated, etc etc... I'm 100% sure i know what he said to me... again, since i was the one he told, and you weren't there, so what you think of what he told me has 0% weight.. i was the only person there talking to him, you were not
4-why make assumptions? let us look at at all the known cll patients we know that went to dr bagirov.... the girl, russian guy, you, and another person that has a diary on another board... all of us, except you have had serious issues... so i can infer from that... i never said i know for a fact, but its a reasonable conclusion
5- they told you i was lazy?? you do realize you are not helping the case of your drs here, don't you??? most patients want confidentiality.... not to mention it isn't true, but even if it were, its hardly proper to tell other patients a patient is lazy...
again, you keep talking about he majority of things, etc etc that i was told.... again, you have no idea, because you were not there... i do not presume to know what they told you, so i don't comment on it, but for some reason, you know exactly what i was told
you mention about taking the medicines in correct order... again... i was never told that... do not assume it
i was walking.... it did not prevent ballerina.... your statement that you did not receive an x ray for a few months hardly makes the clinic look better by the way....
let's actually talk about you now though.... according to you, you will have frames on maybe 3 more months.... so we are talking 8 months,maybe more.... that is getting close to 2 months for each cm.... the slow end, though you are supposed to be his top patient...
maybe it's time we all posted videos of our progress.... and put it all out there
1. nope i did not. I stated i had heard the story of that girl.
2. I have no reason to believe this, and even if (big if) he did, all that matters is what he thinks now. He has clearly stated to me that he doesnt blame Bagirov. I could probably get him to make an account here and refute your claim. Il check with him in a bit.
3. not making excuses, only it is you making a lot of big claims about it being the doctors fault when he didnt say anything of that. You are the one making assuptions. Also you seem to be the type of person to change the story however it suits you.
4. like i said, i saw several post op patients there who where happy with their results. Some of the girls there doing the surgery claimed to have friends who did it successfully. 4 surgeries is very little data. And 2 of them we know for sure have made many mistakes themselves (you and our russian friend). The nurses told me the girl was active in sports before she was allowed so if thats true then we really have no case where the blame can safely be put on the doctor.
5. I believe them when they said you where lazy, considering you didnt want to do any pt and walked very little. it was the nurses btw.
Even if it was the doctors who told me, it would be a different issue and nothing to do with his capability as a surgeon.
I have a hard time imagining they would just give you the medicine and not tell you anything what to do with it, they must know you dont understand russian text. And if you wanted to know was it to hard for you to ask? lol
I have no reason to believe they would avoid telling you things they told me (why would they?), but for you it seems like you want to remove the blame from yourself onto them, so you would have a reason to spin the story.
I might have frames 2 more months. or earlier. That makes me in the average range. They told me patients on average need 6-9 months for 4 cm. I did 4.3 cm and in 2 months it will have taken me 7 months. Also i added 1.5 mm extea onto my left leg to fix discrepency, as well as having a knee injury from earlier that made me put less weight onto it during the early consolidation phase. Thats why my left leg is lagging behind a bit, the doctor things i can remove the frame from my right leg in 1 month.
And where did you get that i was their top patient? I never mentioned that. I followed all their instructions unlike you, and thats why i didnt have any problems.
I dont have an agenda to make the clinic look better, im trying to be objective. But you are clearly trying to make the clinic look bad so that you remove blame for your own current state onto them.
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1--- you stated it as is, aka as if it is how it happened... but who cares.... the fact is she's not well after 2 years, and the russian guy isn't well after a year almost, only lengthening around 4 cm
2-i would love for him to make an account here... please do so... and then we can get the diaries in russian translated here... i am 100%%%%% for this... i know members have pm me about the russian site, it is well known to some.... there is only 1 fact we can be sure of regarding russian guy btw.... HE STILL CAN'T f**kING WALK AFTER A YEAR, ONLY LENGTHENING 4 CM... IN FACT... HE CAN NOT EVEN STAND UP UNAIDED..... No amount of sPin is going to change that simple fact.
3-YOU accuse me of changing a story, point out what i changed... you were not in the room when i spoke to him... so you have no absolutely no idea of what was said.... point out where i c hanged stories to suit my facts..... ruyssian guy can't walk, has ballerina, russian girl can't walk, 2 years after fact, other diary on the other site mentions alignment issues...... point out which parts of what i said are not accurate
4-i knew some patients that were getting frames off too... they had met you.... but they were not lengthening, not one... they were all girls getting corrections for bow legs
5-you seem to avoid the ethical issues i brought up..... as you know what i said is true.... and if things like this are not an issue, then why mention you can't believe fahri laughed? because you expect a certain standard of etiquette from a dr and his team
i do not have an agenda.... I'm partly to blame, but so are they
i notice you stopped mentioning you were not x rayed for a few months after surgery.... hard to defend i know
you find it hard to believe they would give me medicine without mentioning how to take it.... well here again you make other false assumptions... i was never given any meds when i left.... i was given a piece of paper while i was getting in the car to travel to the airport.... the information on the paper was not clear though, so i had to contact them later to try to clarify... again, not from bagirov, but fahri
let's be objective... let's all post videos... i expect to see you walking unaided up and down the stairs
Quote from: crimsontide on August 04, 2014, 05:21:16 PM1--- you stated it as is, aka as if it is how it happened... but who cares.... the fact is she's not well after 2 years, and the russian guy isn't well after a year almost, only lengthening around 4 cm
2-i would love for him to make an account here... please do so... and then we can get the diaries in russian translated here... i am 100%%%%% for this... i know members have pm me about the russian site, it is well known to some.... there is only 1 fact we can be sure of regarding russian guy btw.... HE STILL CAN'T f**kING WALK AFTER A YEAR, ONLY LENGTHENING 4 CM... IN FACT... HE CAN NOT EVEN STAND UP UNAIDED..... No amount of sPin is going to change that simple fact.
3-YOU accuse me of changing a story, point out what i changed... you were not in the room when i spoke to him... so you have no absolutely no idea of what was said.... point out where i c hanged stories to suit my facts..... ruyssian guy can't walk, has ballerina, russian girl can't walk, 2 years after fact, other diary on the other site mentions alignment issues...... point out which parts of what i said are not accurate
4-i knew some patients that were getting frames off too... they had met you.... but they were not lengthening, not one... they were all girls getting corrections for bow legs
5-you seem to avoid the ethical issues i brought up..... as you know what i said is true.... and if things like this are not an issue, then why mention you can't believe fahri laughed? because you expect a certain standard of etiquette from a dr and his team
i do not have an agenda.... I'm partly to blame, but so are they
i notice you stopped mentioning you were not x rayed for a few months after surgery.... hard to defend i know
you find it hard to believe they would give me medicine without mentioning how to take it.... well here again you make other false assumptions... i was never given any meds when i left.... i was given a piece of paper while i was getting in the car to travel to the airport.... the information on the paper was not clear though, so i had to contact them later to try to clarify... again, not from bagirov, but fahri
let's be objective... let's all post videos... i expect to see you walking unaided up and down the stairs
1. Nope i did not, i just claimed i had heard the story of that girl, and then filled in the blanks which you didnt mention. Since she had to rebreak the leg, it makes sense that it would have taken her a much longer time. I have already explained about the russian guy. He does not blame Bagirov for it. He knows better than you and me, so no point in bringing that up, it doesnt support your argument.
2. the russian guy lengthened 4.5 mm, he added those extra mm very late after he was done with the initial lengthening phase. And he got ballerina because he lengthened to fast even while having an infection. Those things slow everything down. We know this, it doesnt help your argument at all.
3. i know for a fact now that you changed what Russian guy told you, he told me just now that this was the conversation you had: when he told you he had ballerina, you mentioned that it could be because the frames where not placed properly. Then he just answered "maybe". But he still doesnt blame Bagirov because he is aware of all the other problems which where caused by lengthening to fast.
4. The patients staying at the rooms where not all the ones i met. Some came to visit only for a day. And some where downstairs when i was waiting for the scan of my legs.
5. The ethics are not important when it comes to the problems you have. If some nurses at the hospital have bad etiquette is irrelevant to how good job the doctor does with his surgeries. The problems you have with your legs are your own fault.
And when i say i cant believe fachri laughed, i said specifically that i cant believe he would laugh at a patient having a deformity if he caused it by doing a bad surgery. If a patient didnt follow his advice, then i can see him doing it, not in a malicious way though.
I have no reason to mention or defend that i werent x-rayed before i returned because they told me that this was the way they handled things. I didnt expect to get an x-ray before i returned. Its not necessary if you have only lengthened 5 mm at that point. They already have all the data on your legs before you start lengthening, another x-ray 5-10 days into extraction isnt a big deal. they have you lengthen faster in the beginning to prevent risks like premature consolidation.
Are you saying you didnt get the option to buy meds when you left? or did you get a paper with instructions for your meds? Either way you can keep saying these claims of yours are true or not, it doesnt make you more credible. You want me to show a video yet you make all sorts of claims without evidence. I will make a video in a few days.
Majority of your issues are your own fault. That much is obvious from just reading the diary.
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Again, Russian guy can't walk a year later. ... He can not even stand up.... that is the fact. .. he's looking at a year and a half minimum without walking unaided or close to it... After 4 cm... and he has had other issues, the girl can't walk 2 years later.
. The Other Diary , Alignment Issues. .. I stick with facts, and these are the facts. .. you have excuses... have not even bothered to explain fahri performing the surgery alone, or the fact they don't do X rays until months after.
2- this is really part of part 1, but I notice you haven't mentioned his nerve issues and numbness in his leg, you also did not mention he started getting ballerina after they did a correction on him and he absolutely said that was the reason for his issues. ..that they did something wrong. ... He may not feel that way now but he definitely believed that.
3-again, he said they misplaced the frames, not me... I will post our Skype if needed.... I'm sure about this, btw, I never mentioned anything about improper frame placement on here, so what exactly are you talking about? I listed a fact. . He can't walk ,still has frames on, and can't even stand without using his arms.... He has more than just ballerina issues
You seem to have drunk the Kool aid... you stated that if we get problems with our legs, it is our fault. .. so according to you, they are infallible?
It is not normal practice to wait 2 months for an X ray.
. Very simple. .. Also, regarding fahri, he is not authorized to do this surgery by himself. That is why he is an assistant. .. you avoided the whole point. .. He should never have performed the surgery in the first place
Yes doctor wannabe. I am saying I did not get the option to buy meds before I left...
I can show a video, of me standing with ballerina. .. is that people want to see? That is the issue I've been bitching about. .. have not made other claims. ... maybe ill squat too , because I said I could bend my knees, etc
And Yes. Show a video. .. unaided, no walker, no crutch, no one helping, up the stairs and down the stairs
I'll give you respect for it if you do. .. though I still wouldn't shut up... you should be able to do what you said, with ease as you did not lengthen much, your mother is a nurse and you've had no issues supposedly
Until then, .........
I had to edit;)
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Quote from: crimsontide on August 04, 2014, 07:19:22 PMAgain, Russian guy can't walk a year later. ... He can not even stand up.... that is the fact. .. he's looking at a year and a half minimum without walking unaided or close to it... After 4 cm... and he has had other issues, the girl can't walk 2 years later.
. The Other Diary , Alignment Issues. .. I stick with facts, and these are the facts. .. you have excuses... have not even bothered to explain fahri performing the surgery alone, or the fact they don't do X rays until months after.
2- this is really part of part 1, but I notice you haven't mentioned his nerve issues and numbness in his leg, you also did not mention he started getting ballerina after they did a correction on him and he absolutely said that was the reason for his issues. ..that they did something wrong. ... He may not feel that way now but he definitely believed that.
3-again, he said they misplaced the frames, not me... I will post our Skype if needed.... I'm sure about this, btw, I never mentioned anything about improper frame placement on here, so what exactly are you talking about? I listed a fact. . He can't walk ,still has frames on, and can't even stand without using his arms.... He has more than just ballerina issues
You seem to have drunk the Kool aid... you stated that if we get problems with our legs, it is our fault. .. so according to you, they are infallible?
It is not normal practice to wait 2 months for an X ray.
. Very simple. .. Also, regarding fahri, he is not authorized to do this surgery by himself. That is why he is an assistant. .. you avoided the whole point. .. He should never have performed the surgery in the first place
Yes doctor wannabe. I am saying I did not get the option to buy meds before I left...
I can show a video, of me standing with ballerina. .. is that people want to see? That is the issue I've been bitching about. .. have not made other claims. ... maybe ill squat too , because I said I could bend my knees, etc
And Yes. Show a video. .. unaided, no walker, no crutch, no one helping, up the stairs and down the stairs
I'll give you respect for it if you do. .. though I still wouldn't shut up... you should be able to do what you said, with ease as you did not lengthen much, your mother is a nurse and you've had no issues supposedly
Stop bringing up the Russian guy, his problems are mainly because he lengthened to fast and got a severe infection. He has told me so from the beginning and he did it again today. Btw at this moment, our Russian friend is sending me screen savers of your conversation you had when you just got started.. he explained pretty much everything to you that i got to know. And you still didnt follow his advice. Il post them here for all to see in a moment.
As for what you claim of doctor Fachri, do you even know he isnt allowed to do the surgery on his own? And I very much doubt that his assistant would be able to do a surgery without Bagirov knowing. How would he not be able to find out about that when they keep records and everything, all we have is your word here.
How likely is it that Fachri would tell a random patient of something he was not allowed to do, something he would likely be fired for if it is true that he isnt allowed to do the surgery? Does not sound believable at all. If he told you this, then it wasnt something that Bagirov didnt already know about, or it wasnt anything that he wasnt allowed to do.
Russian guy told you everything he told me, which was pretty much all i needed to know.
I didnt ask for a video from you, i mentioned that all the claims you are making here dont have any evidence behind it, and you are making big claims about the clinic. Then you want me to offer evidence when you dont? I will post a video but that still leaves you with lots of claims which you can never prove.
And if i should be able to do what i say i can, why do you need evidence? thats the thing. Im not making any big claims, you are, you have more need of evidence to back up what you say than i do.
edited: insults/hostility comments
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