Wannabegiants tibial lengthening in Moscow, Dr. Bagirov

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Quote from: Converse on July 03, 2014, 11:20:37 PMHi Wannabegiant,

I am considering getting bilateral tibias with Dr. Bagirov as well; crimsontide's diary is highly informative about the whole process (the lack of after-care part sucks though). It would seem that issues like pin-bending do not feature if you're using his frame. 

I am interested in lengthening around 7.5 cms or so,  along those lines I was wondering how freely can you move around wearing these frames during distraction and then during consolidation period? I mean, I probably would have to wear them for at least 8 months, so is walking up stairs, standing on commuter rails etc. possible? Is there still a lot of pain after the distraction is done?

Thanks in advance for replying!

The frame uses some thicker pins, i dont think its completely immune to pin-bending though but if it happens it would be like 3 mm or less, very slight.

It depends on how fast you lengthen and on the individuals ability to recover i guess, but in general if you follow the instructions of the doctor you should be able to start walking about 2-3 months after surgery, but im not sure if this takes longer if you are still lengthening at this point.

Btw, if you are going to lengthen 7.5 cm, i can almost guarantee that you wont be done in 8 months, its likely 7.5 cm will take like 10 months or even 1 year. And it might take even longer than that if you have complications (like in crimsons case he got ballerina feet, and that prevents him from walking normally, the longer this problem lasts the less effective your walking and weightbearing will be to increase the consolidation.

Guys like Rgkey are the exception to the rule, and he used a different doctor who might do his bone incisions differently and make them heal faster, who knows, but dont expect it to go that fast, you will most likely be dissappointed.

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Thanks for replying Wannabegiant; just to clarify, I was under the impression that Dr. Bagirov also offered double cuts (osteotomy at two sites per segment)    ? Won't that help with reducing the distraction and consolidation phase?

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Quote from: Converse on July 04, 2014, 12:57:31 AMThanks for replying Wannabegiant; just to clarify, I was under the impression that Dr. Bagirov also offered double cuts (osteotomy at two sites per segment)    ? Won't that help with reducing the distraction and consolidation phase?

I asked his assistant about this before i had the surgery and i can confirm they do not offer the double cut. I dont think it would be aesthetically a good idea to do the double cut if you re gonna lengthen that much either, since one of the cuts are near the ankle where there is very little muscle mass, so it might end up looking really long and thin, and fragile if you get like 4+ cm of length there.

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Hmmm, that's true! What about the range of motion during distraction though? Did you experience any trouble with sitting down, or any knee pain during movement etc?

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Quote from: Converse on July 04, 2014, 01:26:37 AMHmmm, that's true! What about the range of motion during distraction though? Did you experience any trouble with sitting down, or any knee pain during movement etc?

The first month or so it will be slightly painful to sit down, the pain went away before i was done lengthening so i dont really remember how it felt, but it was like small pincing pain around the pin sites i think, also there was a lot of knee stiffness, so its not recommended at all to sit down a lot (because of knee stiffness and blood circulation), either stand or lay down with legs extended.

the knee stiffness went away really fast after i was done lengthening (maybe 2 or 3 days and i could fully straighten my knees without much effort at all)

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Yo wannabe, have you had any problems renewing your stay permit in Russia? I emailed Barinov and they told me the Migration office had made their rules tougher and it would make it difficult to stay for longer than 6 months... how is this? Thanks in advance

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Quote from: FedUp on July 05, 2014, 11:13:43 PMYo wannabe, have you had any problems renewing your stay permit in Russia? I emailed Barinov and they told me the Migration office had made their rules tougher and it would make it difficult to stay for longer than 6 months... how is this? Thanks in advance

I dont know.. i only stayed at the clinic for ca 12 days, so a business Visa was enough. Why do you need to stay for 6 months or more? The clinic encourages you to lengthen at home, as long as you follow instructions and dont lengthen to fast or to much (like 8 cm) you shouldnt have any serious issues.

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Thanks for a great diary great to se someone that has the same goal, I`m also looking for 4 cm so I have some questions:
Whats your wingspan?
Wich date did you start lengthening and wich date did you stop? Was there some initial distraction by the doctor like 0,5 cm?
Was it scary to do the "skruva" haha dont know the word.

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Quote from: westercoasten on July 10, 2014, 03:15:39 PMThanks for a great diary great to se someone that has the same goal, I`m also looking for 4 cm so I have some questions:
Whats your wingspan?
Wich date did you start lengthening and wich date did you stop? Was there some initial distraction by the doctor like 0,5 cm?
Was it scary to do the "skruva" haha dont know the word.

Are you swedish? (since you mentioned "skruva", i would translate it to "turning" in this case)

I havent measured my wingspan, but i have very long arms and wide shoulders (despite only weighing around 63 +/- kilos pre-surgery)
Even now after i have finished lengthening, my wingspan looks slightly longer than my height, so i would guess i have 180+ cm in wingspan.

I started lengthening 5 days after i had the surgery which was mars 01, and no they do not distract the bone during the surgery so you start from 0. I was done lengthening at the beginning of May, cant remember exact date, i slowed down my lengthening speed slightly when i was almost done because i had an infection, but it didnt make much difference overall in the total time it took, just a few days extra.

So the lengthening took me about 2 months, but i lengthened 4.3 cm to be exact.

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just want to emphasize something.... what wannabe said about rgkey is very true.... and you must believe it, no matter what dr you go to....  rgkey is a very very rare case....

if you lengthen tibias over 5 or 6 cm, you can expect to get ballerina.... i can almost guarantee it... and trust me, it is not a small issue. just because its not a permanent issue does not make it small....  i would recommend to not go over 6 cm.... I've done maybe 7 cm now...

if you will do more than 5, you will need a release