What does Dr Assayag say about muscle regeneration in this video?

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i hope u get through this mr. ahd1978 and recover from your set back 💪💪💪

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I'm afraid a lot of this stuff like impact on organs and is it more effort to pump blood upstream or not, might simply not be studied. I can't even find conclusive research on how the lengthened soft tissues are different or similar to healthy soft tissue. Impact of other organs is probably a less important study.

But I largely agree with redwedding that as far as other organs are concerned, growing taller is similar to growing bigger through working out and eating a lot. At the end of the day the organs have to work harder to maintain more cells in the body.

If you are concerned about your health or have to decide on your lengthening goals, you can talk to one of several good doctors who do paid video consultations. Some I know are Dr Giotikas, Dr Parihar, Dr Donghoon, Dr Assayag, Dr Debiparshad. I think these surgeons know the theoretical stuff. But it's best you inform them that the intention of your consultation is to partially ease your mind and that you are not a prospective patient of theirs.

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Quote from: Ahd1978 on April 10, 2021, 04:44:24 PMMost doctors shy away from real questions and call you neurotic because they are not ones under the knife

I have been asking a genuine question to all but no one answers

I find it lot harder to breathe now but I was told my energy levels are low.

Which I don’t doubt. But I know my body too. I said if I am 7 cm taller wont my body take longer to pump blood to it’s organs compared to before and yes maybe I’m healthy now but what about future.

My uncles who are very tall have issues with clots all time.

Taller people naturally are built with larger organs for that matter.

What about us limb lengtheners ? How do our organs adjust to this new height because I surely can’t believe that my blood flow would be same post lengthening

What about if you become 20kg fater. Isn't that a bigger body?
Much more than just gaining 7cm.

Your blod flow will be the same of course or the difference would be clinically non significant.
Also I don't have any trouble breathing after LL but yes, even walking is harder than before so I am geting tired easier of course.

Also, I think that muscles regenerates and new cells are created from LL and the muscles are not just stretched. But I am not sure. I think that is is very hard though for skin, nerves, muscles etc to stretch that much .

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Quote from: Body Builder on April 10, 2021, 10:24:17 PMAlso, I think that muscles regenerates and new cells are created from LL and the muscles are not just stretched. But I am not sure. I think that is is very hard though for skin, nerves, muscles etc to stretch that much .

Did you do the surgery without confirming this with your surgeon?

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Very interesting topic, would it be safe to assume that the more you lengthen the long term risks of blood clots increase? So someone who does 14cm in two stages is a greater risk than a 8 cm lengthening or does it not work that way?

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It is definitely an interesting topic.

I remember watching a YouTube video of Dr. Paley about a year ago (which also had bad sound for some reason) where he discussed some of these lengthening details. Specifically he talked about what he thinks the future of LL will bring. Here he mentioned a new technology that would lengthen more slowly but continuously. At the moment (correct me if I am wrong) the lengthening occurs like 3 times a day to typically 0.81 mm total. The problem with this is that the soft tissue experiences a short burst of very high pressure when the lengthening is increased in one step like this.

Paley mentioned machine learning being used from large datasets that would automatically find the optimal lengthening steps over time. When we grow naturally as children and teenagers the body does not make one large lengthening step of ~0.3 mm in one second, but it is more gradual.

I am wondering whether this large sudden pressure increase damages the soft tissues (muscles, nerves, arteries etc) and causes the degeneration mentioned in your video and what other LL’ers have experienced.

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Quote from: TheDream on April 11, 2021, 01:44:09 AMIt is definitely an interesting topic.

I remember watching a YouTube video of Dr. Paley about a year ago (which also had bad sound for some reason) where he discussed some of these lengthening details. Specifically he talked about what he thinks the future of LL will bring. Here he mentioned a new technology that would lengthen more slowly but continuously. At the moment (correct me if I am wrong) the lengthening occurs like 3 times a day to typically 0.81 mm total. The problem with this is that the soft tissue experiences a short burst of very high pressure when the lengthening is increased in one step like this.

Paley mentioned machine learning being used from large datasets that would automatically find the optimal lengthening steps over time. When we grow naturally as children and teenagers the body does not make one large lengthening step of ~0.3 mm in one second, but it is more gradual.

I am wondering whether this large sudden pressure increase damages the soft tissues (muscles, nerves, arteries etc) and causes the degeneration mentioned in your video and what other LL’ers have experienced.

I don't know if it's because 0.33mm at once is dangerous or 1mm a day is dangerous no matter how gradually performed.

We should go with what technology we have today. Anybody getting surgery should inquire about what the effects are on the body, particularly soft tissues.

Even Cyborg4life an expert in this topic, in the video laughs after the question with something like "of course it's not stretching it's distraction histogenesis" and then Dr Assayag honestly corrects him soon after. Respect to Dr Assayag.

It's surprising even many who take the plunge of this procedure still have lingering doubts on their minds. It's best to understand what the unknowns are become comfortable with them if you're doing this.

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Hi guys

I may be 43 but I am an avid swimmer,  tennis and soccer player since I was very young and have always been fit.

When I came out of fat embolism I wasn’t scared but being more preventive for next steps.

I continued for 35 days for 1mm a day and then I realised screw all this I’m going to listen to body.

I reduced distraction myself to .75mm and continued and till 5 cm it was lot better for body but as soon as I touched 5,5 I stopped and brought it down to .5 mm. All by myself because of scare with dimmer levels being high and irregular heartbeat.

I believe one has to listen to their body. Had I not done that I would be in severe pain now.

Now it’s not nerves as they have started to behave with lower distraction fatigue is lot better and I am basically brisk walking as tightness is down by 70 percent. Even physio at paleys in poland is shocked.

So we live in our own bodies. Our docs don’t. For them we are just a number and I have realised that so I am not expecting much from them.

For them it is simple every patient adds to their portfolio of experiences and further corrections for future.

For example I was shocked that I was only doing x rays post surgery even after fat embolism scare.

I told doc I shall pay for my own blood tests but every 2 weeks I want my blood monitored. For troponin level first to check of any heart damage or changes with distraction.

Secondly dimmer levels as if you say they r high post surgery I respect and believe that. However it should only be like that for 6 weeks and then levels should drop.

Why with such an expensive surgery are blood tests not part of protocol

Look at number of dvt or pe cases.

So going forward I am doing breathing excercises and seeing how my heart is adjusting to this new height and will decide at around 7 cm. last thing I want is one day with age that dvt is my new friend and I have to take these stinking injections of heparin which I have to take 2 now and have left scabs all over my stomach. Look like a junkie.

I have also asked victor from cyborg that I would like to get his new data but to please ask doctors about effects on organs with new height.

Before I was doing this quietly but my friend who is undergoing this surgery in June suggested I share my experiences with all so the pool of experiences and knowledge grows

I am not agaisnt this surgery and new height is awesome.

But if I am going to breathe like a grunting pig in few years no thank you

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Quote from: Ahd1978 on April 11, 2021, 09:19:40 AM
I have also asked victor from cyborg that I would like to get his new data but to please ask doctors about effects on organs with new height.

You can pay for his paid program and have better chances of an answer. He has done a lot for the community so far but I think he is now monetising it (nothing wrong with it) so you might have a better chance getting your concerns cleared. It costs $100 I think. He says he will also help you with post surgery recovery if you buy the program.

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Yes I have decided to buy it and he helped me in making final decision to go with paley too as a doctor for LL.

Well I have recieved reply from him and he would be asking doctors same to clarify further.

I have also told him to request docs either to charge extra but ensure blood tests are mandatory during distraction for all patients and during discharge  to ensure all vitals come clear before sending one home.

Attaching his reply here towards my question

I don't, however, believe getting taller will affect your blood flow. The cool thing about the body's vascularization is that it can reroute and adapt to new situations to keep you alive regardless of the stimulus or situations. Whether that means creating new capillaries to engorge your new legs with blood or ensuring you properly oxygenate your upper body, I would say that perhaps it will take some time after distraction to feel more normal but I would like to keep on top of this to ensure you're okay.

Victor

Hope this helps