@Wannabegiant
You're right again but like I said before what makes height so valuable is that you cannot work to improve it. Certainly there are othe ways to be respected and attractive but as you said you have to work harder, always be a little better.
Doesn't it bother you that you need to "make up" for how tall you are?
It's true that the fact that taller men always has an advantage over me really takes a bite out of my motivation to improve myself. Even if I become an objectively more impressive person overall that injustice is always in play like a thorn in the side. Yes the process may build my charater, yes I've probably got height neurosis and yes most people think this bothering me so much is ridiculous.
Still we all recognize that sometimes we can be happier only by changing ourselves otherwise we wouldn't be on this board but this isn't an easy fix for me I've been aware of LL for a long time and I thought it was completely out of the question for any sane person regardless of how short he was.
In the end it doesn't matter much why we do this surgery as long as we're sure it's for the best. Without turning this thread to a argument over eachothers psychology let's get back on track, there is no right answer as I said in the OP but I still think that the 190 - 195 range is ideal at least for me.
Quote from: exclide on October 07, 2014, 09:37:42 PMI'm pretty confident that someone with your stance will be seen more attractive and respectable, than someone with an attitude of "ahh, I need to be 2 meters tall, then everyone will like and respect me". They'll be most likely viewed as maniacs, if they let their thoughts out.
Haha thanks man 
And i agree with your view of it
Quote from: Uppland on October 07, 2014, 09:46:56 PM@Wannabegiant
You're right again but like I said before what makes height so valuable is that you cannot work to improve it. Certainly there are othe ways to be respected and attractive but as you said you have to work harder, always be a little better.
Doesn't it bother you that you need to "make up" for how tall you are?
It's true that the fact that taller men always has an advantage over me really takes a bite out of my motivation to improve myself. Even if I become an objectively more impressive person overall that injustice is always in play like a thorn in the side. Yes the process may build my charater, yes I've probably got height neurosis and yes most people think this bothering me so much is ridiculous.
Still we all recognize that sometimes we can be happier only by changing ourselves otherwise we wouldn't be on this board but this isn't an easy fix for me I've been aware of LL for a long time and I thought it was completely out of the question for any sane person regardless of how short he was.
In the end it doesn't matter much why we do this surgery as long as we're sure it's for the best. Without turning this thread to a argument over eachothers psychology let's get back on track, there is no right answer as I said in the OP but I still think that the 190 - 195 range is ideal at least for me.
It bothered me when i was below average that i felt like had to make up for it to even be considered on the same level as guys who had no ambition, talent or even looks but where tall. I dont feel like this is the case anymore now when im about average (i also base this on looking at other people around average height)
I feel that now when im average, i dont need to make up for height to be accepted and avoid discrimination, but if i want to be greedy and have extra social benefits (which are nothing more than luxuries when you get down to it) im fine with working hard to improve myself.
Taller people have it easier, but their potential isnt higher than average people because if you want to be treated like somebody special by lots of people or be famous, then simply being very tall is not enough.
Btw, i dont think it is strange that you want to be taller, 185 or something like that is a great height. However the way you talk sometimes makes it sounds like you wont be happy even at that height, like you need to be among the tallest 1 percenters in the world or something, its not healthy to think like that.
Do you feel average at 178? Because I have to say I don't or at least not properly so. It's not a bad height though I haven't been discriminated towards in any way that I've noticed and plenty of girls are still interested in me even taller ones. I suppose it is neutral being this tall.
Quote from: Uppland on October 07, 2014, 10:22:41 PMDo you feel average at 178? Because I have to say I don't or at least not properly so.
Personally, in some situations, such as walking around in public, I feel perfectly average at this height and in others I feel slightly short. I never feel tall which is what it seems like Uppland and I always hoped/expected to be since childhood since out male family members are all significantly taller.
Basically, I feel short around large groups of young adult men and average in the general population, which includes men that are older and may have shrunken or had less access to today's nutrition and medical standards.
185 cm is good enough for a man, wanting to be 195 cm is silly.
I'm studying engineering in France, when i was 18 ans years old i used to think the average height was 185 cm for my young peers, but i only focused my mind on the taller guys.
Then i started to count people taller and shorter than me in my school (i'm 23 now), and i just realized that i was wrong.
There are no official data in France, but from objective observations, without focusing on the tall guys, the average height seems to be around 179 cm for young caucasian men.
I want to be 185 cm just to be in the 80 th percentile, but considering my starting height, i could be 192 cm but since only 20 % is 185 cm or taller, it's unecessary to be 190 cm+.
Moreover not every tall guys are handsome, successful or got into a very good university, it may concern 1-3 % of every men, which means the perfect man virtually doesn't exist.
I've been attentive of others recently and I must say that I really am on the shorter side. Sure it's not by much and obviously there are a lot of even shorter people but most men below maybe 60 years old are definetly taller than me. In my town it seems like most men are perhaps 180 -185CM.
Quote from: endomorphisme on October 07, 2014, 10:34:00 PM185 cm is good enough for a man, wanting to be 195 cm is silly.
I'm studying engineering in France, when i was 18 ans years old i used to think the average height was 185 cm for my young peers, but i only focused my mind on the taller guys.
Then i started to count people taller and shorter than me in my school (i'm 23 now), and i just realized that i was wrong.
There are no official data in France, but from objective observations, without focusing on the tall guys, the average height seems to be around 179 cm for young caucasian men.
I want to be 185 cm just to be in the 80 th percentile, but considering my starting height, i could be 192 cm but since only 20 % is 185 cm or taller, it's unecessary to be 190 cm+.
Moreover not every tall guys are handsome, successful or got into a very good university, it may concern 1-3 % of every men, which means the perfect man virtually doesn't exist.
192 cm certainly seems like perfection to me. You're also right in that most overestimate the height of others I used to think the average of 181 cm was lowballing it but the more I think about it the more reasonable it seems. Still I'd say most young men are slightly taller than that.
-Love France been interested in living there for a while since I was a kid.
Quote from: Uppland on October 07, 2014, 10:22:41 PMDo you feel average at 178? Because I have to say I don't or at least not properly so. It's not a bad height though I haven't been discriminated towards in any way that I've noticed and plenty of girls are still interested in me even taller ones. I suppose it is neutral being this tall.
Yeah i do feel average at 178-179 cm when im around dudes in the Stockholm area, its common to see taller dudes, but also common to see shorter ones, majority of guys are within 2-3 cm of my height though which is easily good enough for me. Also i do feel tall compared to vast majority of women i see now.
Quote from: endomorphisme on October 07, 2014, 10:34:00 PMThere are no official data in France
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