Quote from: myloginacct on January 05, 2018, 09:22:52 PMI think instead we'd have forums dedicated to helping men to move and establish themselves in countries with lower average male heights instead.
The first-ever realistic post I've seen from this user. This is what would actually happen. There would be forums dedicated to moving to Indonesia or other countries with VERY low average male heights.
To those talking about "accepting" their height in this thread:
There is no such thing as "acceptance". This is a myth perpetuated by the pseudoscientific "psychology" community. You do not "accept" traits about yourself that make you profoundly unhappy. You "resign" yourself to them, and live a deeply unhappy and unfulfilling life full of attempts to "fill the void" that not having what you want leaves in you. Resignation is NOT acceptance - not even close.
How many people would tell a man or a woman who's "unhappy with their gender" in 2018 to "accept" their birth gender and "move on" with their lives? How do you think the public at large would respond to you if you tried to tell a transsexual to "accept" their birth gender? Do you think people would agree with you, or do you think they'd call you a "hateful transphobic" for trying to prevent these people from "being happy" by "changing" the thing about themselves that makes them unhappy?
Now compare this to a short person who's unhappy with their height and wants to change it. All of a sudden the public perception is that the short person is "mentally ill" and needs "therapy", and they need to "accept their height". Why?
Simple: Because in 2018, it is publicly acceptable to be unhappy with your gender, but NOT with your height.
What would people do if limb lengthening didn't exist? Here's the real answer:
Some would """accept""" their height - i.e. try not to think about it, tell themselves that their height isn't the reason they can't attract women, get respect from male peers, get promoted/be taken seriously in the workplace, etc. Basically follow the concept that "if you ignore the problem, maybe it'll go away". Of course, it won't, and these people will age and die having lived deeply unfulfilling lives with a load of "what ifs" and "if onlys" plaguing them on their deathbeds. They'd join "communities" (read: circlejerks) on the internet where short men gather to pretend that being short is really okay, heightism isn't really that bad after all, pretend like all the "advantages" of being short are super great and amazing, and how being short and living as a mistreated short man and being the butt of society's jokes "made them a better person" and how they wouldn't want to be tall even if they could be (sour grapes syndrome). Reddit's r/short is an EXCELLENT example of a "community" like this.
Some would commit suicide. We already know short men have double the suicide rate of tall men, and suicide rates have been climbing for a long time now.
Some would drop out of society, never leaving their houses and only doing the bare minimum at work that they have to do to get paid and support themselves. This is a common phenomenon today.
I would have been a really sad person.
LL gave me hope till my teenage years when I started tonsee that I won't become even average and learned about it.
From then and on I knew that what nature didn't give science will and I felt much better with myself knowing that my short stature is something temporary.
I never thought about the risks, I was very determined to do it and thats why I did everything as fast as I could (university etc) to do LL at my almost 23 years.
LL changed my life even before I did it and even now, the result of my first LL and the plans for my second one make me see everything much more optimistic.
I can't imagine how bad would have been my life without LL.
Quote from: Body Builder on January 13, 2018, 08:38:10 AMI would have been a really sad person.
LL gave me hope till my teenage years when I started tonsee that I won't become even average and learned about it.
From then and on I knew that what nature didn't give science will and I felt much better with myself knowing that my short stature is something temporary.
I never thought about the risks, I was very determined to do it and thats why I did everything as fast as I could (university etc) to do LL at my almost 23 years.
LL changed my life even before I did it and even now, the result of my first LL and the plans for my second one make me see everything much more optimistic.
I can't imagine how bad would have been my life without LL.
I feel similar, CLL has made me very optimistic. Without knowing about CLL's existence, I would have just dealt with my short stature since I wouldn't have known any better, just like I had before knowing about it years ago. Slightly bitter and defeated, but I'd have managed by compromising.
"dream height 167" lmao
Well, I have only known about LL since last october and I'm turning 20 in June so I would be lying if I said I have been having a rough time. Some guys my age are not even completely done growing in some cases. Which gives me a good reason to tell everyone why I am suddenly much taller. I would not beat myself up over it. I would not be sad at all. This surgery is not a need in my life but rather than a want. I feel like it will make me a happier person. Then again, I have not struggled that much because of my height considering I'm still a teen but I can't say what it would be like to live like this through adulthood.
I would wear lifts and resign myself. I am lucky to not have a very bad starting height. I can imagine for the 5"5 and shorter guys, that this would be a harsher reality.
Quote from: extremis on January 13, 2018, 04:48:37 AMThe first-ever realistic post I've seen from this user. This is what would actually happen. There would be forums dedicated to moving to Indonesia or other countries with VERY low average male heights.
To those talking about "accepting" their height in this thread:
There is no such thing as "acceptance". This is a myth perpetuated by the pseudoscientific "psychology" community. You do not "accept" traits about yourself that make you profoundly unhappy. You "resign" yourself to them, and live a deeply unhappy and unfulfilling life full of attempts to "fill the void" that not having what you want leaves in you. Resignation is NOT acceptance - not even close.
How many people would tell a man or a woman who's "unhappy with their gender" in 2018 to "accept" their birth gender and "move on" with their lives? How do you think the public at large would respond to you if you tried to tell a transsxxual to "accept" their birth gender? Do you think people would agree with you, or do you think they'd call you a "hateful transphobic" for trying to prevent these people from "being happy" by "changing" the thing about themselves that makes them unhappy?
Now compare this to a short person who's unhappy with their height and wants to change it. All of a sudden the public perception is that the short person is "mentally ill" and needs "therapy", and they need to "accept their height". Why?
Simple: Because in 2018, it is publicly acceptable to be unhappy with your gender, but NOT with your height.
What would people do if limb lengthening didn't exist? Here's the real answer:
Some would """accept""" their height - i.e. try not to think about it, tell themselves that their height isn't the reason they can't attract women, get respect from male peers, get promoted/be taken seriously in the workplace, etc. Basically follow the concept that "if you ignore the problem, maybe it'll go away". Of course, it won't, and these people will age and die having lived deeply unfulfilling lives with a load of "what ifs" and "if onlys" plaguing them on their deathbeds. They'd join "communities" (read: circlejerks) on the internet where short men gather to pretend that being short is really okay, heightism isn't really that bad after all, pretend like all the "advantages" of being short are super great and amazing, and how being short and living as a mistreated short man and being the butt of society's jokes "made them a better person" and how they wouldn't want to be tall even if they could be (sour grapes syndrome). Reddit's r/short is an EXCELLENT example of a "community" like this.
Some would commit suicide. We already know short men have double the suicide rate of tall men, and suicide rates have been climbing for a long time now.
Some would drop out of society, never leaving their houses and only doing the bare minimum at work that they have to do to get paid and support themselves. This is a common phenomenon today.
CLL is not well-known and it is such a huge sacrifice.
If there was an easy and cheap procedure for getting height, I think heightism would eventually go away, as most short men would get that and height would be a non-issue. People try to accept their height (and/or use shoes/lifts) because it's the most realistic thing most people can do.
Amen to that! I couldn't have said it better myself. When I told my family (who are all taller than me) about this surgery they were shocked but not all that much. They tried to convince me why my height was "okay" . What I hate the most is naive people, average and tall men will never know what a pain it is to see a preschooler stand taller than you.
Quote from: extremis on January 13, 2018, 04:48:37 AMThe first-ever realistic post I've seen from this user. This is what would actually happen. There would be forums dedicated to moving to Indonesia or other countries with VERY low average male heights.
To those talking about "accepting" their height in this thread:
There is no such thing as "acceptance". This is a myth perpetuated by the pseudoscientific "psychology" community. You do not "accept" traits about yourself that make you profoundly unhappy. You "resign" yourself to them, and live a deeply unhappy and unfulfilling life full of attempts to "fill the void" that not having what you want leaves in you. Resignation is NOT acceptance - not even close.
How many people would tell a man or a woman who's "unhappy with their gender" in 2018 to "accept" their birth gender and "move on" with their lives? How do you think the public at large would respond to you if you tried to tell a transsxxual to "accept" their birth gender? Do you think people would agree with you, or do you think they'd call you a "hateful transphobic" for trying to prevent these people from "being happy" by "changing" the thing about themselves that makes them unhappy?
Now compare this to a short person who's unhappy with their height and wants to change it. All of a sudden the public perception is that the short person is "mentally ill" and needs "therapy", and they need to "accept their height". Why?
Simple: Because in 2018, it is publicly acceptable to be unhappy with your gender, but NOT with your height.
What would people do if limb lengthening didn't exist? Here's the real answer:
Some would """accept""" their height - i.e. try not to think about it, tell themselves that their height isn't the reason they can't attract women, get respect from male peers, get promoted/be taken seriously in the workplace, etc. Basically follow the concept that "if you ignore the problem, maybe it'll go away". Of course, it won't, and these people will age and die having lived deeply unfulfilling lives with a load of "what ifs" and "if onlys" plaguing them on their deathbeds. They'd join "communities" (read: circlejerks) on the internet where short men gather to pretend that being short is really okay, heightism isn't really that bad after all, pretend like all the "advantages" of being short are super great and amazing, and how being short and living as a mistreated short man and being the butt of society's jokes "made them a better person" and how they wouldn't want to be tall even if they could be (sour grapes syndrome). Reddit's r/short is an EXCELLENT example of a "community" like this.
Some would commit suicide. We already know short men have double the suicide rate of tall men, and suicide rates have been climbing for a long time now.
Some would drop out of society, never leaving their houses and only doing the bare minimum at work that they have to do to get paid and support themselves. This is a common phenomenon today.
This is a fantastic explanation by the poster.
Take the train to Guangdong Province to farewell to my first lover and then go back home ending up with using charcoals to kill myself.
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