I mean, what advice would you tell him? (First of all, forgive my english, is not my first language)
I'm 5'5" and 23 years old. I've never been much worried about my height but i've been shy and insecure and didn't know why till now. Not too much shy nor insecure with men but with womens. Supposedly i'm attractive to womens but i dont see that way because of my height. I dont care being the smallest man of the room (or not that much) but i do care a lot being smaller than some womens and i dont wanna look a girl and say: She is beautifull but larger than me so forget her.
For a while now i've been trying to lengthen naturally doing intense excercise (to produce more HGH), eating better and streching my legs and back. But im afraid that i wont grow more height.
Maybe a year till now i've been with troubles to sleep because anxiety for being small. Almost everyday i think of my tiny height and that makes me anxiety: Not being able to be with the woman i like because she could be taller than me.
So for a while now i've been reading about height lengthening on enternet and this forum. As you must know, there are trolls and fakes everywhere so i dont know what to believe or not.
That is the reason of doing this post: What would you tell me, that i know just a little about this surgery?
-I know that i want to do LL on femurs with STRYDE and i would like to do as much as possible being realistic; 8cm
-I know that it is painfull, but how much?
-I know that there are risk (like in any of the surgeryes, even with one paracetamol you have posibilities to die), but.. how many? Whose are the worst case scenarios and how ofthen do they ocurr with a proper DR.?
-I smoke, should i give up now and wait at least 1 year to do the surgery or just doing it before the surgery its safe?
-How often the bones dont consolidate?
-Do streching really help? Should i keep streching till my operation day?
And to those who already did it..
-Do you regret something?
-When did you done it? Are you 100% alright? I mean, can you walk and run normally?
-Do you have any pain now?
-What would you like to know before doing it?
Thanks for your time, cheers
What would you say to one person who wants to do the LL surgery?
You are 23. You're growth plates are closed- producing more HGH whether through exercise or drugs won't make you taller. You will not grow taller naturally at this point.
Worse case scenario of the surgery is death from fat embolism. Which has happened before and is a real concern.
Give up smoking.
Non-consolidation is not particularly rare, as there are plenty of cases of non-union on this forum. The vast majority do have proper consolidation though.
Stretching does help! Stretch always.
Quote from: Serilium on April 20, 2021, 06:35:57 PMYou are 23. You're growth plates are closed- producing more HGH whether through exercise or drugs won't make you taller. You will not grow taller naturally at this point.
Worse case scenario of the surgery is death from fat embolism. Which has happened before and is a real concern.
Give up smoking.
Non-consolidation is not particularly rare, as there are plenty of cases of non-union on this forum. The vast majority do have proper consolidation though.
Stretching does help! Stretch always.
Thanks brother. What happens when non-consolidation happens? And why is that? If you are fine it shouldnt happen, doesn't it?
Bone growth can be random at times. You can have young folk growing poor bone while old folk growing good bone. There's no set standard to decide whether good bone grows or not. Some people just have bad bone growth for no known reason.
If bad consolidation occurs, the doctor will try to fix it by slowing down or even stopping lengthening on first sight. If precice or stryde nail, you can do accordion method which is distract(lengthen) and contract(shorten) the nail repeatedly to stimulate bone growth. Most nails can't shorten, that is a Precice/stryde exclusive function. Doctor may advise to eat more, put more weight bearing if allowed, etc.
At the end of the day if there is no bone still, they will do a bone graft from your hip bone and that should fix the issue. This is the last resort and is a major deal.
Do you hear of bone grafts occurring often in the LL community?
Quote from: Stretch on April 20, 2021, 07:20:41 PMDo you hear of bone grafts occurring often in the LL community?
No i did not, can you tell more? Is about non-consolidation?
Edit: Sorry i didnt saw that was a reply
Quote from: Serilium on April 20, 2021, 06:58:18 PMBone growth can be random at times. You can have young folk growing poor bone while old folk growing good bone. There's no set standard to decide whether good bone grows or not. Some people just have bad bone growth for no known reason.
If bad consolidation occurs, the doctor will try to fix it by slowing down or even stopping lengthening on first sight. If precice or stryde nail, you can do accordion method which is distract(lengthen) and contract(shorten) the nail repeatedly to stimulate bone growth. Most nails can't shorten, that is a Precice/stryde exclusive function. Doctor may advise to eat more, put more weight bearing if allowed, etc.
At the end of the day if there is no bone still, they will do a bone graft from your hip bone and that should fix the issue. This is the last resort and is a major deal.
Assuming this had to be done, how much would it cost in, say, Paley's Institute?
Quote from: DonBones on April 20, 2021, 08:14:43 PMAssuming this had to be done, how much would it cost in, say, Paley's Institute?
Alot. Like 25k+ but probably more, conservative estimate. If preconsolidation surgery is roughly 10-20k or so then a hip graft would be more. You should probably email him for the estimate.
To answer your question as someone who did LL 7 years ago.
- I regret not lengthening more, and not standing up for myself when the doctor cut my bone too low and then recommended that I stop the lengthening. I also regret not fully rehabbing sooner for fear that I would damage the nail I hoped to re-lengthen in the future.
- I can walk and hike faster than I could pre-op (maybe because my femur is longer, idk), but cannot run as fast as before. I can walk for hours and hours and never feel tired (I literally feel superhuman in that regard), but my muscles fatigue fairly quickly when I run. I am currently working on building up my muscle stamina. For the past couple of weeks, I have been hiking up a giant mountain behind my house and running down to build glute strength. The total trek is about 4 miles and I feel it getting easier and easier every day, plus I get the best views in LA 
. My walk does not look normal because I have an external tibial torsion deformity that looks worse due to my inability to compensate for it after femoral lengthening.
- I still have hip pain, especially on the left side. It doesn't hurt when I am just sitting but gets irritated easily when I run on pavement on other hard surfaces. This is why I prefer trail running and hiking on dirt. My right knee is starting to hurt too when I exercise too much, but that may be because of externally rotated gait rather than LL.
-If I could do it all over again, I would have a) gone for the maximum length the nail allowed b) Been honest with everyone in my life about what I was doing and been proud of it rather than ashamed.
Quote from: 6CMFemurs on April 21, 2021, 06:19:00 AMTo answer your question as someone who did LL 7 years ago.
- I regret not lengthening more, and not standing up for myself when the doctor cut my bone too low and then recommended that I stop the lengthening. I also regret not fully rehabbing sooner for fear that I would damage the nail I hoped to re-lengthen in the future.
- I can walk and hike faster than I could pre-op (maybe because my femur is longer, idk), but cannot run as fast as before. I can walk for hours and hours and never feel tired (I literally feel superhuman in that regard), but my muscles fatigue fairly quickly when I run. I am currently working on building up my muscle stamina. For the past couple of weeks, I have been hiking up a giant mountain behind my house and running down to build glute strength. The total trek is about 4 miles and I feel it getting easier and easier every day, plus I get the best views in LA . My walk does not look normal because I have an external tibial torsion deformity that looks worse due to my inability to compensate for it after femoral lengthening.
- I still have hip pain, especially on the left side. It doesn't hurt when I am just sitting but gets irritated easily when I run on pavement on other hard surfaces. This is why I prefer trail running and hiking on dirt. My right knee is starting to hurt too when I exercise too much, but that may be because of externally rotated gait rather than LL.
-If I could do it all over again, I would have a) gone for the maximum length the nail allowed b) Been honest with everyone in my life about what I was doing and been proud of it rather than ashamed.
Interesting, so would you say overall length outweighs the risk of complications and more obvious deficits with proportions?
May I ask what your start and end height are?
You must be logged in to post a reply.