Would you be able to forgive yourself if you stunted your height?

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It's been a while since I vented here last time. Life, some days better, other days are rough. I can't help thinking that my whole life is basically destroyed and ruined by those 7 years of my life, being a moron. From 10-17, 5th-11th grade. It's hard to say because I didn't know things I know today back then. But still it could have been avoided so easily but instead I chose to live with it and suffer. Why did it have to happen exactly when my body was supposed to grow, man. I'm so angry in my bones. I shouldn't even have to go through this LL thing that will athletically cripple me. The way I see it is like a terminally ill person looking for a cure.

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Quote from: Sanity on October 23, 2018, 09:14:26 AMwats ur height now and how tall u think u'd been and wat wrong u think happened.

almost 5'6".

mainly I didn't sleep and suffer from deep depression. I also didn't eat well but can't blame school on this.

My father is 5'9" sisters are 5'5. This is so wrong.

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Quote from: tallertree on October 23, 2018, 10:17:00 AMWith one surgery you could easily reach 175cm wich is a good height, so whats the problem? How many threads like this have you done?

The problem is if I wasn't so stupid, I wouldn't have to do this  . You make it sound as if the surgery is a walk at the park.

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Quote from: Sanity on October 23, 2018, 04:09:09 PMI partially agree with a slight disagreement here:

dont ever take sleep deprivation lightly especially in teenage/puberty years where most of hgh(somatotropin) is released in the REM cycles combined with low nutrient diet and low muscular activity can reult more than an inch of gross loss in height. althogh il agree with u its not that much as genes rule and will take-over sooner or later but il replace ur stated 2-3cm with upto 4-5cm.

the other thing u mentioned was yes cll can give height but part of the loss due to stunting is also in hand size, fingers, wrists, arms, feet, torso size and clavicle lengths thts causing ppl neurosis such as op. although these parts are less noticed compared to the immediate height of a person.

I would never thought the significance of 4-5cm back then. But now, many people (myself included) are willing to spend $25k++ to break our bones, bed-ridden for months, be athletically crippled permanently for these 4-5cm.

It's like someone who drives carelessly and then got hit by a truck. As a result of the combination of their own's stupidity and bad luck, his whole gets altered just by that very moment. At least I was being stupid consistently enough for 7 years that my life got fuked.

Quote from: joeymabil on October 23, 2018, 10:43:52 PMActually I was basically living impoverished in terms of my health. I skipped sleep (all nighters some days) for video games and here you are denying that I stunted my growth even though you know sleep is needed for growth. I do admit I need stop going down guilt trip lane though.

How bad was your sleep? I slept on average 2 hours per night from 10-17 but many nights I didn't sleep at all. I felt that I barely grew during junior high school. By the time, I realized that I was in a serious trouble, it was too late to make a difference.

I remember when the x-ray said that I was about done at 162cm. It basically destroyed me, I went home, slammed my door and cried in my room. I was 16 at the time. Almost 10 years ago. I spent the next decade living in denial while trying to look for a cure.

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Quote from: joeymabil on October 24, 2018, 05:43:36 AMI pretty much had the same routine as you. All the people I knew who had our ritual ended up with shorter statures than they expected. Some of my friends are shorter than their parents. But it could just be our genetics.

At least you had the pleasure. If It wasn't for school, I wouldn't have lost sleep even if I couldn't fall sleep till 3AM. And school is one thing that I despise the most in the world to the point where a day felt like a year. Imagine have your life ruined by something you despise deeply.

Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on October 24, 2018, 09:39:18 AM
You don't do all that for 4-5 cm's. You do all that to increase your mental well-being and come to terms with your physical appearence. The couple of cm's are just the means to an end.

The point is same. If I didn't stunt it, wouldn't have to do it to increase my mental well-being, would I? Or I could still do it and end up even taller. I still lose athletic functions.

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Quote from: Sanity on October 24, 2018, 10:09:58 AMthen again i know som1 who slept atleast 10 hours everyday from 8-16 and hes my neighbour yet he turned out to be 5'3-5'4 cause his parents are short. if ur genetically maximum potential is to reach 6'4 then yea u can stunt that to 6'0-6'1 in the worst case i'd say but say if ur 5'6 u were never meant to cross 5'10 by mother nature.

I never really said that I was meant to be over 5'10" (eventhough theoritically I should have been considering my father and sisters' height.)

But even if I was 5'7"-5'8". It would make a great difference. 5'8" is basically a target after a successful invasive LL procedure.

Anyway, a long time ago, someone told me that if he always did everything right in his life, he would have been a billionaire by that time. Meaning that it's perfectly human for me to stunt my height because of not living well. That's kind of comforting. Ha!

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Quote from: Sanity on October 24, 2018, 11:00:34 AMfor all u ppl whining over sleep deprivation:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11052586

as i said countless times its very hard for u to stunt growth due to not sleeping. our ancestors used to deprive themselves of sleep hundred thousand years ago to not get eaten by predators and u think the body hasnt adapted to that. dahh

That explains why men weren't over 5' back then?

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Quote from: Sanity on October 24, 2018, 11:38:11 AMdude il put an end to this. when ur fking up the circadian rythem ur not shutting down ur pituitary gland or ripping it to shreds. ur just disturbing the normal secretion of GH. and if u just slept 2 hours at night 70-80% of the GH is already released then as most of GH is released during the first 3 hours of sleep in REM phase. then the rest of GH will be compensated during the day or the next time u sleep. yes over a long period of time say 4-5 years it can cause just a slightly less amount of gross GH but not so much to stunt the height by 4-5cm as some here claim, unless they had poor nutrition and were affected by infections at the same time. end of story.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15339260

lolll the one who said 4-5cm is yourself pal.

That being said, I had poor nutrition too and 3 hours of sleep was gold for me back then. Feels bad man.

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Quote from: Sanity on October 24, 2018, 01:13:40 PMread again.i said 4-5 if combined with other factors

and say even if u had 2 more inches u'd be still considered shorty and u'd stil be wanting to compete with 6 footers so tht changes nothing

I strongly disagree. It's true that I could still want to be 6 footers. But saying it changes nothing is total non-sense. I and a lot of other people break our bones for 2 inches, because it makes a world difference.

In short, 5'8" is not tall, but a reasonable male height, whereas 5'6 and under aren't. There's a huge gap between 'short' and 'normal' The difference between the number of women who are shorter than 5'8" and the ones who are shorter than 5'6" is massive.

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Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on October 24, 2018, 02:42:38 PMIf you can't accept urself at 5'6, doubt u would accept urself at 5'8

It doesn't matter I accept or not, 5'8" is obviously world better of a height. The statistics tell us everything.