Quote from: Thatdude950 on February 18, 2018, 05:32:57 PM^Sounds right. I can say at 181cm I'm taller than 75-80% of men in the office and nearly all (95%) of women. The average is probably 175cm or so. I can't tell much of a difference from 173 - 177. 173cm in shoes is not a bad height at all. There's a small percentage of women that will feel a lot bigger than you, but they're the outliers-- not you.
with 181 in France you would be taller than 85-90 % of men. And the funny facts it that some studies try to make us believe that average is about 180 cm ... it's even more hard for me to believe models and sportsmen official height. I never saw a 6-7 guy now, I'm sure of it
I guess that the really height of someone like Karlie Kloss is 5-11, Barack Obama about 5-11 too -far from 6-1 for sure-
5'7 and more who want ll do you know the reason of your complex?
Quote from: Knik on February 18, 2018, 05:21:56 PMWell, so I measured me tonight and I'm 170, so exactly 5-7 (I don't know how I could have measured myself 171,5 earlier why it's what I'm at morning) and I can say that 5-7 is not a common height for girls. I have been in some european countries, always have been taller than at least 90 % of girls, in France it's very uncommon to see a girl taller (let say I'm taller than 95 % of them) than me. I have sneakers, so giving me 3 cm so I'm about 173 in streets. Guys putting me one head (so about 6-5) are about 1 %, even in tall average countries I visited.
At least I'm sure that I'm that at my lowest, I will take it as my starting height before LL.
At the same time, it make me think that at least 80 % (or maybe more because I remember a guy pretending to be 170 while he had his eyes at my chin, and it's common) of people IRL lie about their height if I'm 5-7 (and I am that at my lowest). I start to think that real french average is about 5-7, or even less because sometimes I can even feel taller than most people. That's strange, so many lie about height. So now I can say I never saw a girl taller than 185 cm, 185 cm is very uncommon, I doubt that dutch average is 184 cm even more. But why all these lie, that's what I don't understand. When I see that someone like Rob Paul (from celebheights) is 173,5 cm at night while he looks like a midget, it's hard. I never feld as short as him while I'm 3 cm shorter than him.
You measured yourself in the evening or what? There is difference between morning and evening height. You better measure yourself in the morning
Quote from: Tiger9898 on February 18, 2018, 08:14:20 PMYou measured yourself in the evening or what? There is difference between morning and evening height. You better measure yourself in the morning
I'm 1,5 cm taller in the morning, so it's my evening height. I looked tonight -it's night in Europe- and I'm the same or even slighty above it. Morning height is a cheat, as you loose fastly those centimeters. Better considerating the minimal height.
Also I just went to the short people d from reddit, and finally noticed that most people there were (pretending at least) very tall. I mean a 6-5 tall girl (something I never seen in my life) as moderator, most active users are 189, 177 and 195. Lol, I feel that I live in another world. And it's not the tall people d, it's for the short guys. Same for the website Celebheights : most active users are Canson (6-5, pretending that his friends are both 6-6 and 6-7), SJH (6-5'5) and another guy pretending to be more that 6-7. So it's me or tall people are more insecure ? because that's not common height
Quote from: Knik on February 18, 2018, 05:21:56 PMWell, so I measured me tonight and I'm 170, so exactly 5-7 (I don't know how I could have measured myself 171,5 earlier why it's what I'm at morning) and I can say that 5-7 is not a common height for girls. I have been in some european countries, always have been taller than at least 90 % of girls, in France it's very uncommon to see a girl taller (let say I'm taller than 95 % of them) than me. I have sneakers, so giving me 3 cm so I'm about 173 in streets. Guys putting me one head (so about 6-5) are about 1 %, even in tall average countries I visited.
At least I'm sure that I'm that at my lowest, I will take it as my starting height before LL.
At the same time, it make me think that at least 80 % (or maybe more because I remember a guy pretending to be 170 while he had his eyes at my chin, and it's common) of people IRL lie about their height if I'm 5-7 (and I am that at my lowest). I start to think that real french average is about 5-7, or even less because sometimes I can even feel taller than most people. That's strange, so many lie about height. So now I can say I never saw a girl taller than 185 cm, 185 cm is very uncommon, I doubt that dutch average is 184 cm even more. But why all these lie, that's what I don't understand. When I see that someone like Rob Paul (from celebheights) is 173,5 cm at night while he looks like a midget, it's hard. I never feld as short as him while I'm 3 cm shorter than him.
In my country (south Europe) there are many women (maybe the majority) at 1.70 (+- 3cm).
At 1.70 I would have felt that I am about average for a woman, maybe a slight taller.
At 1.74 I am now (evening height as you talked about that) I am taller than thw vast majority of women but not enough so most of them would have been about my height with heels on so at night places (clubs, bars) I feel about the same height with many women (more than 60-70%).
Only my mighty elevator shoes than (with some small lifts on) give me a full 6cm added height can make me erase that disadvantage but still I don't feel like you say.
Maybe at your country people are shorter than mines' I don't know.
And yes, tall men are stupidly insecure about their heights.
And I say stupidly because they have no reason. It does not matter if you are 6ft or 6.2 unless you are so stupid to think that being like a tree and make all people asking you if you play basketball is some kind of comliment. It is not.
Quote from: Body Builder on February 18, 2018, 09:15:49 PMIn my country (south Europe) there are many women (maybe the majority) at 1.70 (+- 3cm).
At 1.70 I would have felt that I am about average for a woman, maybe a slight taller.
At 1.74 I am now (evening height as you talked about that) I am taller than thw vast majority of women but not enough so most of them would have been about my height with heels on so at night places (clubs, bars) I feel about the same height with many women (more than 60-70%).
Only my mighty elevator shoes than (with some small lifts on) give me a full 6cm added height can make me erase that disadvantage but still I don't feel like you say.
Maybe at your country people are shorter than mines' I don't know.
And yes, tall men are stupidly insecure about their heights.
And I say stupidly because they have no reason. It does not matter if you are 6ft or 6.2 unless you are so stupid to think that being like a tree and make all people asking you if you play basketball is some kind of comliment. It is not.
I exactly found something like 170,5 and 173,5 in shoes
I won't talk about countries average again. I just say it like that, every countries I visited I was at least 5cm taller than female average, mostly something like 8-10 cm. Official female average in my country is 163 cm, I guess it's a bit less like 160. I know that people in my country are a bit shorter than their neighbors (Belgian and German) but I don't think they are about 10 cm shorter than them.
At 5'9 I would have feel much better, I admit it. But it's rather psychological. I read and hear everywhere, anywhere IRL or IVL that 5-7 is a dwarf height and under it you are not even existant. Sometimes by guys who are clearly shorter than me by some good centimeters. And I've been described as a "tall" guy sometimes. I admit it's problably because my morphology : long arms, small head, thin. But I have been and it's funny. How many times I've seen girls pretending that she couldn't date a guy under 5'11.
In my family people lies a lot too. I'm at one level I'm not even able to guess people height, because if I use my height as reference people are all 5cm shorter (at least) than their claim.
And about tall people, yes I don't understand it. I guess it's rather people that overestimate their height. But especially in the USA, there is a culture around height that people call heightism here (especially into journalism, sport, cinema). American people are not tall, but they think they are. In internet I feel that there is only tall guys. I go on /short/ on reddit and I see more tall people than short. Even here, we recently had a 6-2 guy wanting to do LL. I don't even understand how you can know the existence of LL at that height.
USA is clearly the only country where being (very) tall will make you rich and famous (especially in NBA). Shawn Bradley wouldn't have been rich in Germany.
I will do LL and enjoy my life. Just asking myself how I will be able to pay. I guess it's the problem for many people here. 20k is ok, a lot but ok, but for internals it's another question
Quote from: Knik on February 18, 2018, 09:36:20 PM
I exactly found something like 170,5 and 173,5 in shoes
I won't talk about countries average again. I just say it like that, every countries I visited I was at least 5cm taller than female average, mostly something like 8-10 cm. Official female average in my country is 163 cm, I guess it's a bit less like 160. I know that people in my country are a bit shorter than their neighbors (Belgian and German) but I don't think they are about 10 cm shorter than them.
At 5'9 I would have feel much better, I admit it. But it's rather psychological. I read and hear everywhere, anywhere IRL or IVL that 5-7 is a dwarf height and under it you are not even existant. Sometimes by guys who are clearly shorter than me by some good centimeters. And I've been described as a "tall" guy sometimes. I admit it's problably because my morphology : long arms, small head, thin. But I have been and it's funny. How many times I've seen girls pretending that she couldn't date a guy under 5'11.
In my family people lies a lot too. I'm at one level I'm not even able to guess people height, because if I use my height as reference people are all 5cm shorter (at least) than their claim.
And about tall people, yes I don't understand it. I guess it's rather people that overestimate their height. But especially in the USA, there is a culture around height that people call heightism here (especially into journalism, sport, cinema). American people are not tall, but they think they are. In internet I feel that there is only tall guys. I go on /short/ on reddit and I see more tall people than short. Even here, we recently had a 6-2 guy wanting to do LL. I don't even understand how you can know the existence of LL at that height.
USA is clearly the only country where being (very) tall will make you rich and famous (especially in NBA). Shawn Bradley wouldn't have been rich in Germany.
I will do LL and enjoy my life. Just asking myself how I will be able to pay. I guess it's the problem for many people here. 20k is ok, a lot but ok, but for internals it's another question
Nowhere in EU the girls average is not 1.60 as you mention.
In my country the official statistics are 1.66 for women and 1.78 for men (of all ages).
For new generations it is easily 1-2 cm more, especially for women.
Also I've never been described as tall at 1.75, most of the times people see me as normal height but generally big (due to my muscles) but many women find me shorter than they'd like.
I can't understand how someone could see an 1.70 man like you as tall.
I am not saying you are lying, I just can't think of it.
FinallybI agree about tall men and LL. They are simply lunatics but who cares.
What matters is for short and close to average people like us to become taller and stop having height drawbacks.
For lunatics of any kind psychiatrist is the only solution.
Quote from: Body Builder on February 18, 2018, 10:20:44 PMNowhere in EU the girls average is not 1.60 as you mention.
In my country the official statistics are 1.66 for women and 1.78 for men (of all ages).
For new generations it is easily 1-2 cm more, especially for women.
Also I've never been described as tall at 1.75, most of the times people see me as normal height but generally big (due to my muscles) but many women find me shorter than they'd like.
I can't understand how someone could see an 1.70 man like you as tall.
I am not saying you are lying, I just can't think of it.
FinallybI agree about tall men and LL. They are simply lunatics but who cares.
What matters is for short and close to average people like us to become taller and stop having height drawbacks.
For lunatics of any kind psychiatrist is the only solution.
I told it, it's mostly my morphology. And it's because they were shorter than me.
So 168 cm for girls in Europe ? I really doubt about it. Even 166 is very doubtful (for my country). It's not studies or stats, it's just what I feel. I never visited your country, I don't have opinion about it.
I know a 176 cm girl (from another country where the average is taller / Slovakia) and she is much taller than every girl even there and in Czech Republic. I have seen some taller girls, like 5'11 and 6ft for the tallest but it's really uncommon.
Quote from: Knik on February 18, 2018, 10:41:32 PM
Spain and the fight against the odds.
But I know it's not like that chart, anyway. Iberians tend to come either 170cm ish or taller than 180cm, for some reason. It seems like there's way less of in-between heights.
Quote from: Knik on February 18, 2018, 05:21:56 PMWell, so I measured me tonight and I'm 170, so exactly 5-7 (I don't know how I could have measured myself 171,5 earlier why it's what I'm at morning) and I can say that 5-7 is not a common height for girls. I have been in some european countries, always have been taller than at least 90 % of girls, in France it's very uncommon to see a girl taller (let say I'm taller than 95 % of them) than me. I have sneakers, so giving me 3 cm so I'm about 173 in streets. Guys putting me one head (so about 6-5) are about 1 %, even in tall average countries I visited.
At least I'm sure that I'm that at my lowest, I will take it as my starting height before LL.
At the same time, it make me think that at least 80 % (or maybe more because I remember a guy pretending to be 170 while he had his eyes at my chin, and it's common) of people IRL lie about their height if I'm 5-7 (and I am that at my lowest). I start to think that real french average is about 5-7, or even less because sometimes I can even feel taller than most people. That's strange, so many lie about height. So now I can say I never saw a girl taller than 185 cm, 185 cm is very uncommon, I doubt that dutch average is 184 cm even more. But why all these lie, that's what I don't understand. When I see that someone like Rob Paul (from celebheights) is 173,5 cm at night while he looks like a midget, it's hard. I never feld as short as him while I'm 3 cm shorter than him.
Also, I think you may be measuring yourself wrongly, because 1.70 seems like it'd feel short for modern Europe outside of Portugal and regions of Spain. It's still a normal and perfectly livable height, though. Ideally, schedule something with an orthopedist (so you can be professionally measured you with a stadiometer) and settle the matter.
I do agree on the fact that a true 173cm at night is already almost a good height, if you know how to work with it. Those 3cms make a big difference. I think life is easier for men taller than 175cm, but it's nothing that can't be equally compensated by building a better physique and other traits about yourself after you're already out of "short" territory.
Europe also does seem to have this weird thing where the men are much taller than the women. I don't understand how men in all these European countries can average over 175cm (at least) while their women average under 170cm (at the most). There are countries like Norway where the men supposedly average 180cm, and the women, 165cm. A 15cm difference. The biological genders seem to be closer in height elsewhere. In other countries, the difference seems to be more around 8cm.
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