Quote from: CaptainAmerica on February 13, 2018, 07:19:49 PMThis is next level brain gymnastics. 5'5 to 5'8 would be a much, much bigger difference than 5'8 to 5'11, much less 5'8 to 5'10. Go put on Timberland boots and go out a few nights and see how much difference 5'8 to 5'10 makes. Also, if you're doing this for women how good looking you are is a big factor as well. I know plenty of 5'8 guys who have no problem hooking up with hot girls, and I also know plenty of 6ft tall ugly guys who have never had a girl in their life. I think this place, and males in general, overestimate how important height is to women once you're like 3 inches taller than her. I would say after 5'9 your face and looks start mattering much much more than height unless you're like a 6'3 giant and you're going after that 10% of women who are height fetishists (just like you can be a steroid meathead and go after the 10% of women who are muscle fetishists).
But if you're 5'8 and getting rejected by like 5'3, 5'4 girls, I don't think you being 2 inches taller will really make a difference because she wouldn't even be able to tell the difference between someone of your height and someone 2 inches taller honestly, the aura is nearly the same. When standing next to my 5'7 friend I don't even feel that different, I look in the mirror and he doesn't look that much taller than me.
For example on Instagram body builder pages of guys who are like 5'10, 6'1 I see they will sometimes take photos with like 6'4, 6'5 giants and all the males are always commenting "Lol, he is so much bigger than you haha manlet!!!" or comments like this... Like lol, do you think the 6'1 guy truly cares? It is honestly a really retarded male point of view.
I put elevator shoes with lifts which give me 6cm added height when I go to clubs.
And the difference is huge compared to my 1.74 evening height.
At 1.80 I feel completely normal and no way short. So yes, 5.8 to 5.10-11 is a completely different world.
5'7 and more who want ll do you know the reason of your complex?
Quote from: myloginacct on February 13, 2018, 07:31:12 PMIn the end, everyone has their own opinions about this matter.
For me, it's balancing needs vs wants that guide how I view it.
And actually, a lot gets lost in discourse and context here. Like when Jexus and Body Builder were arguing. Both from different countries, with different cultures and average heights. Body Builder was 10cm shorter than his country's average. Jexus was around 4cm shorter. Their experiences can both contradict one another while both being true.
I am 3-4 cm less than my country's average .
There is no country out there with 1.84-5 average height for men so as to be 10cm less than average.
But your point is valid.
@6cm. I agree so much with you that sometimes I think I read my posts!
You are comoletely right and I've written all these before.
5.8-9 are ok heights and you can live normally but on dating it is still a drawback. Anything less than average height is and to be honest, to have a benefit you should be 1-2 inches more than average which in most countries on west that height is 5.11. From my experience after 5.11-5 11,5 height stops to matter to at least 90% of women and will see your other traits. That means that if you are ugly or obese a good height won't make you successful on dating. But if you are better than average in all other aspects, a good height will make you have many successes with women. So simple.
And yes, what makes you a man in a womans eyes (in terms of appearance) is height and a built body (not like a bber, just with some muscles and not skinny type).
If you have these and a masculine face then you'll be lucky with women.
When I was 5.65 I couldn't believe that at 5.9 I'd still face problems with my heights on dating and thats why I can understand many short men here who don't believe our words. But as a man who became average from short, I know what I am talking about, much more than short men. And I insist that if you are completely average and a little more height will still be a problem when it comes to dating.
The thing is man, what if you get another LL and still nothing changes? What if you become 5’11.5 and you are still rejected by girls or unsatisfied? Will you come on here and post truthfully what has happened? Also how can you justify the enormous cost?
I think your expectations were unrealistic from the get go. You’re never going to not be rejected. You’re probably less good looking than you think you are and you thought going from 5’6 to 5’9 would turn you into some Johnny Bravo babe magnet with big muscles. That’s just not going to happen. And going from 5'9 to 5'11 won't make it happen either, your success may increase like 10%, if that even.
Even at 5’9 your torso, head, chest, forearms are all smaller than those of a naturally 5’9 guy. I don’t care how much you work out, muscle will always look much worse than bone, sure it can substitute, but broad shoulders from traps and delts don’t look anywhere near as aesthetic as the kind you see on tall skinny guys naturally. And guess what? 5’9 is near average. So now you get to experience an average dating experience with odd body proportions. And guess what the average guy’s dating experience is? Hot trash. I mean probably 70% rejection rate.
I mean look at all the girls in apo’s video. Extremely low quality. Like I would kill myself if I ever dated any of those girls. And he was bragging about one of them being a model and being his girlfriend. him growing to 6’1 didn’t have that much effect, I guarantee he probably could’ve scored that girl at 5’7. Honestly I've never seen a worse advertisement video for LL. I mean dude goes through years of recovery for 15 cm of lengthening.. arm lengthening... and facial plastic surgery as well, all for that? lmfao.
So you’re going to spend another year of your life in recovery, now at middle age, in attempts to fix yourself up for some random whore who’s probably also in her thirties who has fked and dated lots of guys who are 6ft1, 6ft3. What about when she brings that up, will you LL to 6ft3 to?
Also, will you still be able to body build after that much LL, how are you even body building now?
Also on body mattering, lol I would say that’s very untrue at least not in my generation. I know maybe 3-4 guys who are real gym freak steroid heads and they get just as many matches as regular skinny guys on Tinder, even with photos of them shirtless. I think you are projecting male idealism of height and body into female eyes.
While I don't agree with you on almost anything, I admire your tenacity honestly. You're clearly a really driven person and I do hope it works out for you. I would say that the most valuable thing you can acquire in this life is personal fulfillment and comfort with your own state of being, so if it brings you that, even if you are still rejected by girls and don't find the success you desire, I hope you can at least enjoy that.
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on February 14, 2018, 01:38:29 AMThe thing is man, what if you get another LL and still nothing changes? What if you become 5’11.5 and you are still rejected by girls or unsatisfied? Will you come on here and post truthfully what has happened? Also how can you justify the enormous cost?
I think your expectations were unrealistic from the get go. You’re never going to not be rejected. You’re probably less good looking than you think you are and you thought going from 5’6 to 5’9 would turn you into some Johnny Bravo babe magnet with big muscles. That’s just not going to happen. And going from 5'9 to 5'11 won't make it happen either, your success may increase like 10%, if that even.
Even at 5’9 your torso, head, chest, forearms are all smaller than those of a naturally 5’9 guy. I don’t care how much you work out, muscle will always look much worse than bone, sure it can substitute, but broad shoulders from traps and delts don’t look anywhere near as aesthetic as the kind you see on tall skinny guys naturally. And guess what? 5’9 is near average. So now you get to experience an average dating experience with odd body proportions. And guess what the average guy’s dating experience is? Hot trash. I mean probably 70% rejection rate.
I mean look at all the girls in apo’s video. Extremely low quality. Like I would kill myself if I ever dated any of those girls. And he was bragging about one of them being a model and being his girlfriend. him growing to 6’1 didn’t have that much effect, I guarantee he probably could’ve scored that girl at 5’7. Honestly I've never seen a worse advertisement video for LL. I mean dude goes through years of recovery for 15 cm of lengthening.. arm lengthening... and facial plastic surgery as well, all for that? lmfao.
So you’re going to spend another year of your life in recovery, now at middle age, in attempts to fix yourself up for some random whore who’s probably also in her thirties who has fked and dated lots of guys who are 6ft1, 6ft3. What about when she brings that up, will you LL to 6ft3 to?
Also, will you still be able to body build after that much LL, how are you even body building now?
Also on body mattering, lol I would say that’s very untrue at least not in my generation. I know maybe 3-4 guys who are real gym freak steroid heads and they get just as many matches as regular skinny guys on Tinder, even with photos of them shirtless. I think you are projecting male idealism of height and body into female eyes.
I am good looking my friend and I collect many compliments about my face (my eyes and my lips especially). I'd love to hear even half of them for my body because I tried hard to built it, naturally (by working out) and artificially (LL).
And no, my LL didn't bothered my on my amateur bbing althoug I don't have a so good balance as before and I can't do heavy squats or deadlifts. But who cares, even without that I have 47cm arms and I wear L and XL shirts with a torso height of an 1.68 man. As you can understand my shoulders are broad and I have larger muscles than at least 90% of men. Wirhout taking roids.
At 32 when I plan to do my second LL I'll be still young and a good looking tall man at that age with a more than average income can have something much better than a 30yo whore with children as you mentioned. 30-35 is the golden age of a man and in that age he can have the best women he would in his whole life. So I really don't believe I'll be old for LL, man nowadays are considered relatiely old after 45 years.
And about your question, how do I know that at 5.11 my successes will be more. Because all the good looking women I know are with men of that heights (5.10,5 to 6.2-3). And from every conversation I had with women they saw men taller than 5.11 as tall ones, men from 5.9-5.10 as just normal, men about 5.8 as shortish but dateable only if they like them in all other aspects and everything less than that as a no way. So 5.11 is the golden border when height starts to become a positive trait and no woman will think about it as a negative.
And I see it with my own eyes the times I wear my elevator shoes. I am a completely different man for women, they look at me a lot, they smile at me, they are open for a talk etc. But with my normal shoes I am almost invisible.
So yes, 5.11 will make a difference for me, it is not ideal as 6-6.1 heights but it is still a very good height.
After all I don't need to be perfect, I just want to be better than average in anything and I lack only on height.
As about your second post, yes, self fulfillment is the most important thing for anyone. And personally I can only achive it if I go out on the street and I am taller, even a little, or about the same, of the majority of men. And without another LL I can't achieve it because I am tired of cheating myself and other people about my height by wearing my elevator shoes and gibe an impression different of what I really am and always be afraid if my gf understands that I am shorter than she sees me whem we go out (as I always wear 3cm lifts even if I wear normal shoes).
So another LL will really help me subjectively and objectively thats why I am very determined to do it.
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on February 14, 2018, 01:38:29 AMAlso on body mattering, lol I would say that’s very untrue at least not in my generation. I know maybe 3-4 guys who are real gym freak steroid heads and they get just as many matches as regular skinny guys on Tinder, even with photos of them shirtless. I think you are projecting male idealism of height and body into female eyes.
I agree. You're projecting onto female mind your manly gym ideals. Girls don't care that much about muscles, and about height... Most girls are shorter than 5'4. As long as the guy is taller than them in heels it's ok for them. Appeareance matters but most girls don't like gym freaks. Nice guys, average or above average height, with average or above average facial aesthetics are usually preferred over narcissistic shirtless gym freaks.
Quote from: Whatever on February 14, 2018, 02:45:18 AMGirls don't care that much about muscles, and about height... Most girls are shorter than 5'4. As long as the guy is taller than them in heels it's ok for them.
5'4" guy here, my last ex was the shortest at 5'2" and was the least accepting of my height. Tallest at 5'7" cared the least. Funny how that works!
About shirtless photos, even though women love to hate it, it's a myth that it doesn't work in online dating. Women's tastes in men change as they age, and shirtlessness is less desired over time, but it still has an advantage over not having a shirtless photo if you have the six pack. As much as we want to believe that men are the ones hung up on looks, women too like to window shop.
Quote from: extremis on February 13, 2018, 06:02:27 PMThe only "assertions" I've made are pointing out the criteria that psychiatrists use to diagnose "BDD" in patients. I'm not making value judgments or giving ultimatums, unlike you:
Yeah, and you were completely wrong. Psychosis/literally seeing yourself as something you aren't is *not* required for a diagnosis in BDD.
QuoteYou're not a psychiatrist, and aren't qualified to make this assertion. Neither do you have the right to be judge and jury as to what constitutes being "sick" or not. Hypocrite.
It's common sense. Mental illness is subjective & depends on societal norms. If you fail to adapt to the society you're born into to the point that you cannot function properly, you're mentally ill until you either change your behavior or move to a new environment where your behavior/beliefs are considered normal (if such a place exists). Even if I'm not qualified it's an opinion that's shared by plenty of experts in the field.
QuoteMy "psychiatry" wasn't "subsidized by society", you presumptuous imbecile. When I did visit a therapist, I paid out of pocket. "Society" didn't have anything to do with it.
Good, so you're not a complete bum. Well done.
QuoteLMFAO at trying to portray me as a dangerous villain and "society" (i.e. you) as innocent victims. You're trash.
I would rather die than contribute anything to scum like you.
I'm just pointing out how it works. And although I'm not saying you're a villain, you're clearly unhinged, at least for now.
QuoteBut when society discriminates and oppresses short people to the point that they end up in psychiatrist's offices, or on forums like this one, or even committing suicide, and then get shamed for demanding solutions, they're expected to "suck it up" and "contribute to society" - the same society that caused their problem in the first place, and that deal totally works, right?
If society causes people to develop height dysphoria by way of its bigoted and discriminatory standards, then it should pay the price to the people it victimizes. Oppressors do not have the right to demand "something out of the deal".
I see successful short men every day. Literally all my bosses, all the way up to the Senator are shorter than me. There are so many short men that are so much more successful than me in every possible way. If you're average to low average & you're not happy with your life, it's more than likely you. Not your height. You're going to be devastated when you become a bit taller & realize everything is exactly how it was before, other than you're now scarred, a lot poorer, & a lot less mobile. Btw if your idea of success boils down to just matching with a few more sluts on tinder like a lot of others on here seem to think, you're a fking loser.
QuoteLOL. You moralizing piece of garbage. Who do you think you are to lecture other people on "conscience" when you callously demand that the oppressed pay their oppressors for the privilege of being oppressed by them?
Why the inverted commas? If your conscience doesn't compel you to look after those that have looked after you, you are morally deficient. In my opinion. Also lol @ calling me a commie before & now using Marxist distinctions like "oppressed" and "oppressors".
QuoteI don't "owe" anyone anything. This post by myloginacct perfectly sums up my thoughts on this matter:
No, and I can't prove that you do either. It's a feeling you either have or don't. If you don't think you do, whatever, just don't cry when you're judged for it. Not a boomer btw, I'm 29.
Quote from: myloginacct on February 10, 2018, 03:22:48 PMI think you generally make reasonable posts in other threads, Thatdude, but I think you're off the mark here. I'm guessing it's the effect of being a good height (175cm+) and having lived a mostly normal life with normal parents? Excuse me for assuming if I'm wrong.
What subsidized psychiatry? Most of us outside of Europe had to struggle a lot of years trying to find help and then had to pay out of our pocket for it. Do you mean how government funds research for science?
In my country it's subsidized, so that was a misfire by me.
QuoteParents owe a responsibility to their kids for making a conscious decision to put them in this world. Again, I'm guessing you were lucky enough to have had a mostly normal life with caring parents. That's great. That being the case, you'll definitely feel indebted and grateful to them. That's not how anyone who grew up in an abusive household feels.
You're right- if I had been abused/mistreated, I probably would not feel the same way, at least toward my parents. I'm sure there would be someone else in my life that had helped me a lot though that may one day rely on me. But that's a separate issue.
Captain America,stop lying to yourself
If height wasn't that important,none of us wouldn't here willing to do LL,including you
It is well known that women prefer tall mens,taller mens get better jobs and are better paid,are more respected and usually better looking(cloths fit better on longer legs).Tall guys have too many advantages compared to medium guys,figure out shortish one and it is unfair since noone can work on his height
Unlike you claimed,from 5.10 to 6.1 is indeed a big difference
If the 5.10 guy has nice body,carisma and good social skills,achieving also the height benefit would allow him to have the game at 120%
As I said before,I believe that at 5.11 height stops to being a drawback.From 6 ft to 6.2/6.3 height is a benefit.Anything above no more
So we can continue to loose time debating if the earth is round or we can try to change our drawbacks and to live at maximum potential,going on with our lives
I agree with Bodybuilder at 100% on this topic and anyone denying this is living in his own world or in denial
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