I don't know if the forum is glitching, because my answer was sent incomplete and with a repeated paragraph, lol, Dr Doan also told me that he recommended to go only for 6-7 cm in TIBIAS, to reduce complications, I think that speaks well of him, because many others sell us that going for 10 cm is not complicated and without risks....
Quote from: LeoGb on July 12, 2021, 06:06:51 AMI don't know if the forum is glitching, because my answer was sent incomplete and with a repeated paragraph, lol, Dr Doan also told me that he recommended to go only for 6-7 cm in TIBIAS, to reduce complications, I think that speaks well of him, because many others sell us that going for 10 cm is not complicated and without risks....
-even with the basic package you already get ripped off but it's acceptable since their hospital is top notch. Imo, of course just go for the basic package and outsource everything else. Notice, other doctors do 5-8k. mine is 7k
-transportation: not an issue we have grab here, all you need is your phone
-accommodation: seek help from agency or you can find one yourself. I found bunch of cheap one on google, here is an example https://alphahousing.vn/long-bien/apartment/ or look through facebook there's a lot of foreigner communities groups there, you will easily find one
-a caretaker: a middle age woman who has taken care a lot of Dr Doan's patients, I''ll give you her phone. She helps to cook and cleans up your stuff. A caretaker is very important, they make your life easier so you can focus working on your legs
-a pt: you can take one from dr Doan clinic or outsource too. In my case I did stretching and do pt myself, you can do it too, it requires A LOT of work EVERYDAY, this is your job. Imo, CLL is 60% about exercising
- I agree, you should get here one week prior to the 1st operation and set things up, you will be fine. Lemme know if this helps
Quote from: dexter1930 on July 12, 2021, 07:56:58 AM-even with the basic package you already get ripped off but it's acceptable since their hospital is top notch. Imo, of course just go for the basic package and outsource everything else. Notice, other doctors do 5-8k. mine is 7k
-transportation: not an issue we have grab here, all you need is your phone
-accommodation: seek help from agency or you can find one yourself. I found bunch of cheap one on google, here is an example https://alphahousing.vn/long-bien/apartment/ or look through facebook there's a lot of foreigner communities groups there, you will easily find one
-a caretaker: a middle age woman who has taken care a lot of Dr Doan's patients, I''ll give you her phone. She helps to cook and cleans up your stuff. A caretaker is very important, they make your life easier so you can focus working on your legs
-a pt: you can take one from dr Doan clinic or outsource too. In my case I did stretching and do pt myself, you can do it too, it requires A LOT of work EVERYDAY, this is your job. Imo, CLL is 60% about exercising
- I agree, you should get here one week prior to the 1st operation and set things up, you will be fine. Lemme know if this helps
Dexter, how is your recovery going? I hope everything is going well. I have been meditating a lot on the Vietnam option, I found Dr. Doan reliable and so far I have not seen that that country has had cases of medical negligence in this procedure or something similar, but let's say that I do not feel very comfortable going for tibias, I always had in mind to go for femurs because according to the recovery is faster and future complications are usually less, and of course, you can extend a little longer. How do you feel with the external frames? it seems that the ones they use there are quite big, like a cage, do you sleep well with them? they are not very uncomfortable? have you tried to go out in the street? how do people take it? haha. One thing that struck me about Dr Buldu is that the external fixators didn't look so invasive, and I think you could even hide them with some clothes. By the way, how are you walking now? at what point of the lengthening were you able to start moving and doing things on your own? and what are your expectations once the external fixators are removed, do you think you will be able to walk normally again soon?
Quote from: LeoGb on July 16, 2021, 04:57:21 AM
Dexter, how is your recovery going? I hope everything is going well. I have been meditating a lot on the Vietnam option, I found Dr. Doan reliable and so far I have not seen that that country has had cases of medical negligence in this procedure or something similar, but let's say that I do not feel very comfortable going for tibias, I always had in mind to go for femurs because according to the recovery is faster and future complications are usually less, and of course, you can extend a little longer. How do you feel with the external frames? it seems that the ones they use there are quite big, like a cage, do you sleep well with them? they are not very uncomfortable? have you tried to go out in the street? how do people take it? haha. One thing that struck me about Dr Buldu is that the external fixators didn't look so invasive, and I think you could even hide them with some clothes. By the way, how are you walking now? at what point of the lengthening were you able to start moving and doing things on your own? and what are your expectations once the external fixators are removed, do you think you will be able to walk normally again soon?
- I'm in good condition, waiting for covid to be gone to remove the frame. I'm at 7+cm but need to do X-ray check first, my city has been locked down for 2 months lol so maybe I have to wear this for a little longer. As long as you do pt, stretching and have no major complication, you can wear the frame for as long as you want. I got the frame on 21st March
- idk if he does femur, I don't think he does and even if he does, going LON on femur has to be hurt like hell because there's lots more tissue there brother, going 8cm on femur with more pain compared to 6-7 on tibias with less pain is the hard choice you have to make. Personally, my tibias are short relatively to my femur about 7cm shorter, idk you might wanna read more LON femur patient diary
- about sleeping, mostly you will sleep on your back, you can sleep sideway but it gets uncomfortable real quick
- I started doing pt day 2nd after surgery and could walk 5 days later. You can maintain your normal life through out the whole distraction phase, like a normal people
- I expect to recover as fast as I can, granted all the effort I put on this. I might get back my normal walk around November
are you gonna do this next year?
Quote from: dexter1930 on July 16, 2021, 07:20:44 AM- I'm in good condition, waiting for covid to be gone to remove the frame. I'm at 7+cm but need to do X-ray check first, my city has been locked down for 2 months lol so maybe I have to wear this for a little longer. As long as you do pt, stretching and have no major complication, you can wear the frame for as long as you want. I got the frame on 21st March
- idk if he does femur, I don't think he does and even if he does, going LON on femur has to be hurt like hell because there's lots more tissue there brother, going 8cm on femur with more pain compared to 6-7 on tibias with less pain is the hard choice you have to make. Personally, my tibias are short relatively to my femur about 7cm shorter, idk you might wanna read more LON femur patient diary
- about sleeping, mostly you will sleep on your back, you can sleep sideway but it gets uncomfortable real quick
- I started doing pt day 2nd after surgery and could walk 5 days later. You can maintain your normal life through out the whole distraction phase, like a normal people
- I expect to recover as fast as I can, granted all the effort I put on this. I might get back my normal walk around November
are you gonna do this next year?
Thank you for your attention and your answers Dexter, I hope you have been well today. I am 22 years old and I have had a complex since I was 15 years old, this has led my life to be a martyrdom, I am not that short, I am 1.68, but living in a country like Canada where the new generation of young people are almost mostly measuring 1.80, it is complicated. The problem is that my parents would not support me, my father does not know about my height complex, actually the only person who knows about it is my mother and when I told her about the surgery, it was an absolute no, I have the money to do the surgery, and I have the money for the stay, either in Turkey or in Vietnam, I think I could invest a maximum of 27k USD in this procedure, which would be something like 55% of my life savings, but what causes me a big conflict is to go maybe 5 months and come back to Canada with a walker or on crutches, because I think my mother would not stand it. My idea is very crazy, but my intention is that no one finds out, I can say that I will go for work to another city, but I could not sustain it if I return at any given time with really affected mobility. Not that I want to run around and do everything at 6 months, but if I at least knew for sure that I could walk relatively without much difficulty, that would be great. And yes, Dr Doan clarified that he didn't do femurs, I'd have to take my measurements to see if it's wise to have my tibias operated on as well. I had been thinking of going maybe mid January 2022, to get away from the Canadian winter.
I really don't understand why when I post my answers, the forum usually repeats paragraphs and removes parts of my original answer. 
Man, you are literally me, same age, same height and similar family situation. except im from Sweden. Let's say I have it arguably worse here where the average height is probably 182 cm for males my age hahah.
Likewise I have unsupportive parents so I have managed to save up for the 22k LON package in Turkey with Buldu. I just have to logistically figure out when to do the surgery since I still have 2 years of Uni left. I'm thinking of next year in June when I have my summer break. Obviously I can't let my parents or friends know about this either so I plan to stay the full 90 days in Turkey, If I wanna stay longer I'll have to be absent from classes, renew my visa and pay more for the accomdation. Luckily I live in my own student apartment so I can somewhat avoid my family.
I'm planning on LON Tibias - > 5,3cm. 0,8-0,85mm of lenghtning everyday so approximately 5 days of post surgery recovery before lenghtning, 65 days of lenghtning which leaves me with 20 days for bone healing and consolidation with PT and under the doctor's supervision.
Sorry for hijacking the thread... I just thought it would make the procesa extremely less painful physically and mentally if I could make a friend who go through the same hellish process.
Edit: this post was supposed to be a reply toLeoGb
Quote from: LeoGb on July 16, 2021, 11:21:52 PM
Thank you for your attention and your answers Dexter, I hope you have been well today. I am 22 years old and I have had a complex since I was 15 years old, this has led my life to be a martyrdom, I am not that short, I am 1.68, but living in a country like Canada where the new generation of young people are almost mostly measuring 1.80, it is complicated. The problem is that my parents would not support me, my father does not know about my height complex, actually the only person who knows about it is my mother and when I told her about the surgery, it was an absolute no, I have the money to do the surgery, and I have the money for the stay, either in Turkey or in Vietnam, I think I could invest a maximum of 27k USD in this procedure, which would be something like 55% of my life savings, but what causes me a big conflict is to go maybe 5 months and come back to Canada with a walker or on crutches, because I think my mother would not stand it. My idea is very crazy, but my intention is that no one finds out, I can say that I will go for work to another city, but I could not sustain it if I return at any given time with really affected mobility. Not that I want to run around and do everything at 6 months, but if I at least knew for sure that I could walk relatively without much difficulty, that would be great. And yes, Dr Doan clarified that he didn't do femurs, I'd have to take my measurements to see if it's wise to have my tibias operated on as well. I had been thinking of going maybe mid January 2022, to get away from the Canadian winter.
- thanks for the info, you sound like a smart young man with mindful thinking, good for you, you will go far in life and get this surgery done for sure
- At 22 I was dumb and stupid only made money in a last few years, I'm gonna be 28 this December
- you won't be spending more than 6 months to gain back normal walk if you stretch and do pt like your life is dependent on it.
- if you lengthen 1 inches maybe there's a slim chance your parents and friends won't notice but anything over will be recognized. 2 inches is a lot, 3 inches is the whole next superman level. Again, your walking gait will be fine after 6 month (I've seen dr Doan patients 6 months post op). Being under 25 doing CLL is a plus you can tell them that you are still growing, maybe your friends will buy it but not your parents haha
- whether you do femur or tibias, being taller is awesome, I can't stretch this enough, you will be confident and fearless, other people will treat you very very different. It's like you get reborn
- I keep mine from secret too, no way I would tell this to anyone, not for now and maybe to death
- If you do it in VN, January is still very cold, you don't wanna get a pair of broken legs in a winter in VN too but it's doable. Winter here is not as cold like in Canada
Quote from: RichTheGreat on July 17, 2021, 07:02:57 AMMan, you are literally me, same age, same height and similar family situation. except im from Sweden. Let's say I have it arguably worse here where the average height is probably 182 cm for males my age hahah.
Likewise I have unsupportive parents so I have managed to save up for the 22k LON package in Turkey with Buldu. I just have to logistically figure out when to do the surgery since I still have 2 years of Uni left. I'm thinking of next year in June when I have my summer break. Obviously I can't let my parents or friends know about this either so I plan to stay the full 90 days in Turkey, If I wanna stay longer I'll have to be absent from classes, renew my visa and pay more for the accomdation. Luckily I live in my own student apartment so I can somewhat avoid my family.
I'm planning on LON Tibias - > 5,3cm. 0,8-0,85mm of lenghtning everyday so approximately 5 days of post surgery recovery before lenghtning, 65 days of lenghtning which leaves me with 20 days for bone healing and consolidation with PT and under the doctor's supervision.
Sorry for hijacking the thread... I just thought it would make the procesa extremely less painful physically and mentally if I could make a friend who go through the same hellish process.
Edit: this post was supposed to be a reply toLeoGb
Hi!!! yes, in the Nordic countries men are really tall!!, I have the theory that this has nothing to do with a question of flirting or liking women (as many believe) is really a serious disorder, which in my case, has made me not want to go out often with groups of people I do not know very well, for shame and feeling inferior, I always feel bad when someone taller stands next to me, it gives me the feeling that everyone looks at me like hahaha. I think I would be happy with a 1.75-76, which although for many maybe wouldn't be the great height, in my case it would end my height neurosis, it's the same thing that happens with those who are 1.60 and get to 1.68 with this surgery and feel good with their 1.68, it's a mental thing. And man, I think Buldu is an excellent choice, there are many negative comments about him but in my eyes he is one of the best experienced and results when it comes to the LON procedure, by the way, if you go with Buldu I advise you to negotiate directly the premium package with him at his personal number, if you avoid going through his agency you could be saving 2k EUROS, from what I have read, those who have negotiated directly with Buldu have gotten the package for 20k. But you lose nothing by talking to Dr. Doan in Vietnam, he will answer all your questions and you can see some of his results on his fb page https://www.facebook.com/keodaichandrdoan/ he offers LON in TIBIAS for 10k USD, and if you look for yourself your home, a caregiver, physiotherapies and etc it could be costing you around 14k USD, it is a very good option, I have been researching Vietnam a lot and they have quite a few good doctors who perform LON in TIBIAS.
Quote from: dexter1930 on July 17, 2021, 10:33:02 AM- thanks for the info, you sound like a smart young man with mindful thinking, good for you, you will go far in life and get this surgery done for sure
- At 22 I was dumb and stupid only made money in a last few years, I'm gonna be 28 this December
- you won't be spending more than 6 months to gain back normal walk if you stretch and do pt like your life is dependent on it.
- if you lengthen 1 inches maybe there's a slim chance your parents and friends won't notice but anything over will be recognized. 2 inches is a lot, 3 inches is the whole next superman level. Again, your walking gait will be fine after 6 month (I've seen dr Doan patients 6 months post op). Being under 25 doing CLL is a plus you can tell them that you are still growing, maybe your friends will buy it but not your parents haha
- whether you do femur or tibias, being taller is awesome, I can't stretch this enough, you will be confident and fearless, other people will treat you very very different. It's like you get reborn
- I keep mine from secret too, no way I would tell this to anyone, not for now and maybe to death
- If you do it in VN, January is still very cold, you don't wanna get a pair of broken legs in a winter in VN too but it's doable. Winter here is not as cold like in Canada
Hi Dexter, I hope everything is going very well for you. Thanks for thinking like that, I think that maturity and responsibility is not something that has much to do with age, but rather with experiences, I come from a very hardworking and humble immigrant family, and we usually take care of money, because at some point we were not very well. Yes, really the only thing that keeps me away from doing the procedure is that detail of arriving with my mobility affected and people asking, maybe after I recover from the procedure I will tell my mother, she will take it badly for not having told her, but I know that if I tell her that I am going to Vietnam to break my legs, I doubt she can be calm and sleep at night knowing that her son is going through something like this hahaha. Man, I think very highly of Dr. Doan, I will continue to do more research on LON in TIBIAS. By the way Dexter, when are you going to post a diary?..I would really be the most interested in reading it. Thanks for being so vigilant man, hope your weekend is going great.
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