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Posted on Sep 12, 2020, 1:24 pm

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Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 11:40:56 AMSo

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Yes. I don't disagree with everything that you say/id, the quoted parts were the ones, just to be clear.
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When did I say that height doesn't affect career statistically?
I didn't say that dating and career aren't correlated. For some they aren't.
Also disagree with your comparison.

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Been working as a programmer for a while and I already feel the heightism.

You're arguing semantics. Yes for some their height limits their career more, for some their dating and for somebody else how much they're respected. You could be affected on all of these or some of them so which one affects you might be different but the common denominator is that they're limited by their height which is why they're not that different.
If you don't care about the opposite sxx or sxx, that doesn't mean that your height won't affect you in attracting the opposite sxx or getting sex, it doesn't affect you in the sense that you don't care about it.

Quote from: ghkid2019 on September 12, 2020, 12:38:16 PMOne thing I will say about the whole height neurosis/ heightism/ leg lengthening procedure / everything this whole ordeal, is that you can think for yourselves as to why you should or shouldn't do this surgery. I have my own opinions, but it's just that- opinions. Plenty of people have their own, completely logical and justified unorthodox reasons for why they want to do their surgery. In the end if this surgery will improve your quality of life- by either removing neurosis (don't conflate this with being happier tho) or by opening doors that you practically weren't able to open as a shorter person, then more power to you.

And that's the ultimate goal- to achieve a better quality of life after this surgery. I will support everyone, if your intended effect of this surgery is to improve your life- then you don't need to take in other people's opinions. You can think for yourself- and that's a positive thing.

Imagine you go to R/short or the YouTube comments and try to explain why you want to do this procedure. Every argument would start and end with "muh breaking muh bones so dangerous perma pain oh my god I can buy a house wit dat moola". We unfortunately will never be approval from 98% of society for wanting to do this surgery or seen as "same" when in fact we know the truth and how this surgery actually makes total sense if you think about how much height neurosis/height insecurities/ problems resulting from height, how much this really drags down our life and how LL's pain and downsides really aren't too bad in comparison to the reward it can provide in improving our mental state and outlook on life.

You can think for yourself- and you don't need others approval to do this surgery. Everyone has their own reasons. I am just giving an opinion, but I can definitely see how some people's experience differ and are completely valid and justified.

I'm gonna share a random quote I found online a few weeks ago (it's underrelated to LL, but rather transgenderism, I'm not trans at all but it applies the same way to Leg surgery and Transitioning surgery/hormone therapy):

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Essentially replace "transitioning" with "leg lengthening" and you'll see what I mean.

That last part is the most important part.

You don't need other people's permission, not your parents, friends, society's, women, siblings, co-workers, nah fk that.

"you don't need anyone's permission but your own"

I agree with most of your points except that leg lengthening and transitioning is the same in practicality but not in essence. What I mean by this is that we both change our bodies to become more comfortable/happier but the difference between transitioning and leg lengthening is that not all of us were meant to be tall/taller. We might have ended up short completely naturally without external effects hindering our growth potential whereas trans people were born with the opposite gender identity (their innate knowledge of who they are) of their assigned sxx. You don't know that you were meant to be 6'2 even from when you're little (although some might disagree here) but you know that if you are a boy or a girl.

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Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 11:40:56 AMSo

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Yes. I don't disagree with everything that you say/id, the quoted parts were the ones, just to be clear.
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When did I say that height doesn't affect career statistically?
I didn't say that dating and career aren't correlated. For some they aren't.
Also disagree with your comparison.

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Been working as a programmer for a while and I already feel the heightism.

You're arguing semantics. Yes for some their height limits their career more, for some their dating and for somebody else how much they're respected. You could be affected on all of these or some of them so which one affects you might be different but the common denominator is that they're limited by their height which is why they're not that different.
If you don't care about the opposite sxx or sxx, that doesn't mean that your height won't affect you in attracting the opposite sxx or getting sex, it doesn't affect you in the sense that you don't care about it.

Quote from: ghkid2019 on September 12, 2020, 12:38:16 PMOne thing I will say about the whole height neurosis/ heightism/ leg lengthening procedure / everything this whole ordeal, is that you can think for yourselves as to why you should or shouldn't do this surgery. I have my own opinions, but it's just that- opinions. Plenty of people have their own, completely logical and justified unorthodox reasons for why they want to do their surgery. In the end if this surgery will improve your quality of life- by either removing neurosis (don't conflate this with being happier tho) or by opening doors that you practically weren't able to open as a shorter person, then more power to you.

And that's the ultimate goal- to achieve a better quality of life after this surgery. I will support everyone, if your intended effect of this surgery is to improve your life- then you don't need to take in other people's opinions. You can think for yourself- and that's a positive thing.

Imagine you go to R/short or the YouTube comments and try to explain why you want to do this procedure. Every argument would start and end with "muh breaking muh bones so dangerous perma pain oh my god I can buy a house wit dat moola". We unfortunately will never be approval from 98% of society for wanting to do this surgery or seen as "same" when in fact we know the truth and how this surgery actually makes total sense if you think about how much height neurosis/height insecurities/ problems resulting from height, how much this really drags down our life and how LL's pain and downsides really aren't too bad in comparison to the reward it can provide in improving our mental state and outlook on life.

You can think for yourself- and you don't need others approval to do this surgery. Everyone has their own reasons. I am just giving an opinion, but I can definitely see how some people's experience differ and are completely valid and justified.

I'm gonna share a random quote I found online a few weeks ago (it's underrelated to LL, but rather transgenderism, I'm not trans at all but it applies the same way to Leg surgery and Transitioning surgery/hormone therapy):

"
Essentially replace "transitioning" with "leg lengthening" and you'll see what I mean.

That last part is the most important part.

You don't need other people's permission, not your parents, friends, society's, women, siblings, co-workers, nah fk that.

"you don't need anyone's permission but your own"

I agree with most of your points except that leg lengthening and transitioning is the same in practicality but not in essence. What I mean by this is that we both change our bodies to become more comfortable/happier but the difference between transitioning and leg lengthening is that not all of us were meant to be tall/taller. We might have ended up short completely naturally without external effects hindering our growth potential whereas trans people were born with the opposite gender identity (their innate knowledge of who they are) of their assigned sxx. You don't know that you were meant to be 6'2 even from when you're little (although some might disagree here) but you know that if you are a boy or a girl.

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Posted on Sep 12, 2020, 1:57 pm

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Quote from: Bruce Wayne on September 12, 2020, 12:27:57 PMBeing short is considered bad in our society because it is inherently bad.

BS.

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Posted on Sep 12, 2020, 2:11 pm

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 01:24:27 PMYou're arguing semantics.

No.

Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 10:18:24 AMComparing short men in general with short men that date (super)models is futile.

Ain't a semantics argument.
Saying that working environment and dating aren't the same in importance height wise for everyone ain't a semantics argument.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 01:24:27 PMIf you don't care about the opposite sxx or sxx, that doesn't mean that your height won't affect you in attracting the opposite sxx or getting sxx, it doesn't affect you in the sense that you don't care about it.

That's meaningless. If I don't care about the opposite s*x or s*x at all, the fact that I won't be attractive to the opposite (or the same) s*x means nothing to me.

But you wrote this:

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMI don't know why you act like being limited in your career because of your height is any different than not being seen as a man or becoming more attractive to the opposite sxx.

It's clear that height affecting your career can be hugely 'different' than becoming more attractive to the opposite sxx. Because the latter can be meaningless for some.
Keep in mind that there are people (not the majority) stating that they want to become taller/do LL not because they're struggling or have any issues with dating, at all.

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Posted on Sep 12, 2020, 4:22 pm

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Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 02:11:53 PMNo.
Ain't a semantics argument.
Saying that working environment and dating aren't the same in importance height wise for everyone ain't a semantics argument.

That's meaningless. If I don't care about the opposite s*x or s*x at all, the fact that I won't be attractive to the opposite (or the same) s*x means nothing to me.

But you wrote this:
It's clear that height affecting your career can be hugely 'different' than becoming more attractive to the opposite sxx. Because the latter can be meaningless for some.
Keep in mind that there are people (not the majority) stating that they want to become taller/do LL not because they're struggling or have any issues with dating, at all.

It is semantics because you're not understanding what I'm saying or you have a problem reading.
Dating is meaningless to YOU but it might not be to OTHER people.
Them wanting to get LL to increase their success at dating is no different than wanting LL to increase your success at your career. What is a big problem to you might not be to someone else and vice versa. What is so hard to understand about this? You're only looking at this from your point of view.

You might not have issues with dating because of your height but if you're not dating then you can't say for certain that your height doesn't affect your dating. It might not but you can't say it doesn't when you're not even dating in the first place so this is a stupid argument. If we were being honest then you and I both know that height does affect dating as does in other aspects in life. If it didn't we wouldn't be in this forum.

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Posted on Sep 12, 2020, 6:18 pm

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMIt is semantics because you're not understanding what I'm saying or you have a problem reading.

No. You just have nothing else to write.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMDating is meaningless to YOU but it might not be to OTHER people.

Can't you read?
When did I say that dating is meaningless to me personally?
I wrote 'if'

Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 02:11:53 PMIf I don't care about the opposite s*x or s*x at all, the fact that I won't be attractive to the opposite (or the same) s*x means nothing to me.

IF

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMThem wanting to get LL to increase their success at dating is no different than wanting LL to increase your success at your career. What is a big problem to you might not be to someone else and vice versa. What is so hard to understand about this?

Here's what you wrote initially:

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMI don't know why you act like being limited in your career because of your height is any different than not being seen as a man or becoming more attractive to the opposite sxx.

Here's the reply you've been getting but don't understand.

Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 10:18:24 AMMaybe because they don't care about the opposite s*x. Or any s*x at all, and don't give a damn anymore.
So it can be 'different'. It varies from individual to individual.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMYou're only looking at this from your point of view.

Lol! Exactly what I replied to you earlier. Unoriginal, mate.

Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 10:42:51 AMYou compare things that shouldn't really be compared, and you project your opinions as what's going on in reality.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMYou might not have issues with dating because of your height but if you're not dating then you can't say for certain that your height doesn't affect your dating.

Irrelevant assumption + argument.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMIt might not but you can't say it doesn't when you're not even dating in the first place so this is a stupid argument.

You created an argument yourself out of nowhere and later called it stupid.
Nice.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMIf we were being honest then you and I both know that height does affect dating as does in other aspects in life. If it didn't we wouldn't be in this forum.

For me personally my height affects dating negatively. And that's the case with most young short people (mainly males). But again, there are people who say their height doesn't, there are people who don't give a sh*t about dating at all, 40+ yrs old married guys, 'older' men that couldn't care less anymore what other people think about them, and want to do LL because of a psycological unfulfilled desire/'obsession' or whatever reason.
Just because it does affect us negatively, doesn't mean everyone wants LL because of dating.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMIt is semantics

Again my reply to this:

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMSure that short men can become successful and have great careers, just like short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models or have a high status but those are outliers not the mean.
You are delusional

Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 10:18:24 AMYou inserted the concept of statistical outliers, having already a very small and 'weird' statistical sample ("short men who date gorgeous models"), that you know very little about.
Comparing short men in general with short men that date (super)models is futile.

Ain't a semantics argument either.

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMIt is semantics because you're not understanding what I'm saying or you have a problem reading.

No. You just have nothing else to write.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMDating is meaningless to YOU but it might not be to OTHER people.

Can't you read?
When did I say that dating is meaningless to me personally?
I wrote 'if'

Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 02:11:53 PMIf I don't care about the opposite s*x or s*x at all, the fact that I won't be attractive to the opposite (or the same) s*x means nothing to me.

IF

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMThem wanting to get LL to increase their success at dating is no different than wanting LL to increase your success at your career. What is a big problem to you might not be to someone else and vice versa. What is so hard to understand about this?

Here's what you wrote initially:

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMI don't know why you act like being limited in your career because of your height is any different than not being seen as a man or becoming more attractive to the opposite sxx.

Here's the reply you've been getting but don't understand.

Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 10:18:24 AMMaybe because they don't care about the opposite s*x. Or any s*x at all, and don't give a damn anymore.
So it can be 'different'. It varies from individual to individual.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMYou're only looking at this from your point of view.

Lol! Exactly what I replied to you earlier. Unoriginal, mate.

Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 10:42:51 AMYou compare things that shouldn't really be compared, and you project your opinions as what's going on in reality.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMYou might not have issues with dating because of your height but if you're not dating then you can't say for certain that your height doesn't affect your dating.

Irrelevant assumption + argument.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMIt might not but you can't say it doesn't when you're not even dating in the first place so this is a stupid argument.

You created an argument yourself out of nowhere and later called it stupid.
Nice.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMIf we were being honest then you and I both know that height does affect dating as does in other aspects in life. If it didn't we wouldn't be in this forum.

For me personally my height affects dating negatively. And that's the case with most young short people (mainly males). But again, there are people who say their height doesn't, there are people who don't give a sh*t about dating at all, 40+ yrs old married guys, 'older' men that couldn't care less anymore what other people think about them, and want to do LL because of a psycological unfulfilled desire/'obsession' or whatever reason.
Just because it does affect us negatively, doesn't mean everyone wants LL because of dating.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 04:22:51 PMIt is semantics

Again my reply to this:

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMSure that short men can become successful and have great careers, just like short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models or have a high status but those are outliers not the mean.
You are delusional

Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 10:18:24 AMYou inserted the concept of statistical outliers, having already a very small and 'weird' statistical sample ("short men who date gorgeous models"), that you know very little about.
Comparing short men in general with short men that date (super)models is futile.

Ain't a semantics argument either.

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Posted on Sep 14, 2020, 10:49 am

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Quote from: O_99 on September 12, 2020, 06:18:39 PMNo. You just have nothing else to write.

Can't you read?
When did I say that dating is meaningless to me personally?
I wrote 'if'

IF

Here's what you wrote initially:
Here's the reply you've been getting but don't understand.
Lol! Exactly what I replied to you earlier. Unoriginal, mate.
Irrelevant assumption + argument.

You created an argument yourself out of nowhere and later called it stupid.
Nice.

For me personally my height affects dating negatively. And that's the case with most young short people (mainly males). But again, there are people who say their height doesn't, there are people who don't give a sh*t about dating at all, 40+ yrs old married guys, 'older' men that couldn't care less anymore what other people think about them, and want to do LL because of a psycological unfulfilled desire/'obsession' or whatever reason.
Just because it does affect us negatively, doesn't mean everyone wants LL because of dating.

Again my reply to this:
Ain't a semantics argument either.

I swear you must be a moron. You made a redundant statement just to for the sake of saying something. Of course I'm not talking about it literally. Whatever your reasons for getting LL you're still getting LL. You can't make hypothetical arguments and then tell me I'm creating an argument when your argument is being retorted. Learn reading comprehension.

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Posted on Sep 14, 2020, 11:00 am

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 10:49:57 AMI swear you must be a moron. You made a redundant statement just to for the sake of saying something. Of course I'm not talking about it literally. Whatever your reasons for getting LL you're still getting LL. You can't make hypothetical arguments and then tell me I'm creating an argument when your argument is being retorted. Learn reading comprehension.

Drop it man. What you're arguing is of no importance. I don't even know what's the issue here. What matters now is we have to come up with a superior alternative to LL.

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Posted on Sep 14, 2020, 12:29 pm

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 10:49:57 AMYou made a redundant statement just to for the sake of saying something. Of course I'm not talking about it literally. Whatever your reasons for getting LL you're still getting LL. You can't make hypothetical arguments and then tell me I'm creating an argument when your argument is being retorted. Learn reading comprehension.

No. You project your opinions as what's going on in reality, and you make stupid arguments out of nowhere yourself.

As another poster told you here http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?action=post;quote=177750;topic=65411.0

Quote from: ghkid2019 on August 17, 2020, 11:08:46 PMYou think the world revolves around and works the way you think it works for you. You will never accept if someone else doesn't have the same experience or motives as you. With that mindset, you will never accept other people's realities, and there is no opportunity to grow in your mindset. Thank you for telling me, the reason why I want to do this surgery, because you obviously know more about me than myself.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 10:49:57 AMI swear you must be a moron.

Nah, you are just butthurt because you lost the original arguments, and because you've been told that you make crappy comparisons (which you do) and present your own opinions as established facts, but I don't give a sh*t about your feelings, so I'm just going to ignore you and move on.

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Posted on Sep 14, 2020, 12:51 pm

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Quote from: O_99 on September 14, 2020, 12:29:48 PMNo. You project your opinions as what's going on in reality, and you make stupid arguments out of nowhere yourself.

As another poster told you here http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?action=post;quote=177750;topic=65411.0

Nah, you are just butthurt because you lost the original arguments, and because you've been told that you make crappy comparisons (which you do) and present your own opinions as established facts, but and I don't give a sh*t about your feelings, so I'm just going to ignore you and move on.

They’re crappy comparisons to you because it's hard for you to contextualize them but that's not my problem. When you're too stupid to understand words and what they mean then claim you've won the argument because you can't comprehend what is being said. I love morons who think they're intelligent because of their own stupidity and lack of self-awareness.

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Posted on Sep 14, 2020, 1:10 pm

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 12:51:33 PMThey crappy comparisons to you because it's hard for you to contextualize them but that's not my problem

You still going??
You compared short men in general with short men that date (super)models (!) and said there are outliers. So what? It's meanigless.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMSure that short men can become successful and have great careers, just like short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models or have a high status but those are outliers not the mean.

Do you think 169cm Lionel Messi would have the same struggles or any struggles dating super(models) as the normal short guy?
Or 170cm Vladimir Putin? Or billionaire Mark Zuckerberg? Rich short oil Arabs? Hell, even short rich lawers date gorgeous models where I live. There's a point where height doesn't mean sh*t anymore.
The problem with the majority of/average short guys (rest of us) which you compared with a 'just like', is that we'll never pass or even come close to that point.
That was a silly comparison.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 12:51:33 PMWhen you're too stupid to understand words and what they mean then claim you've won the argument because you can't comprehend what is being said.

You didn't refute anything, you didn't even understood what I said for the most part. You created arguments yourself, said that doing LL for 'career purposes' isn't any different than doing it for dating, when there are people who don't even want to do LL for dating or don't care, wrote that just because 'dating is meaningless to me personally'...while it isn't[..], couldn't distinguish assumptions ('IF I don't care') with statements ('I don't care about the opposite/same sxx') that didn't exist in the first place.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 12:51:33 PMI love morons who think they're intelligent because of their own stupidity and lack of self-awareness.

Self-love can be a good thing.

Done with you.

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Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 12:51:33 PMThey crappy comparisons to you because it's hard for you to contextualize them but that's not my problem

You still going??
You compared short men in general with short men that date (super)models (!) and said there are outliers. So what? It's meanigless.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 12, 2020, 08:47:13 AMSure that short men can become successful and have great careers, just like short men can date beautiful and gorgeous models or have a high status but those are outliers not the mean.

Do you think 169cm Lionel Messi would have the same struggles or any struggles dating super(models) as the normal short guy?
Or 170cm Vladimir Putin? Or billionaire Mark Zuckerberg? Rich short oil Arabs? Hell, even short rich lawers date gorgeous models where I live. There's a point where height doesn't mean sh*t anymore.
The problem with the majority of/average short guys (rest of us) which you compared with a 'just like', is that we'll never pass or even come close to that point.
That was a silly comparison.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 12:51:33 PMWhen you're too stupid to understand words and what they mean then claim you've won the argument because you can't comprehend what is being said.

You didn't refute anything, you didn't even understood what I said for the most part. You created arguments yourself, said that doing LL for 'career purposes' isn't any different than doing it for dating, when there are people who don't even want to do LL for dating or don't care, wrote that just because 'dating is meaningless to me personally'...while it isn't[..], couldn't distinguish assumptions ('IF I don't care') with statements ('I don't care about the opposite/same sxx') that didn't exist in the first place.

Quote from: carpetendro on September 14, 2020, 12:51:33 PMI love morons who think they're intelligent because of their own stupidity and lack of self-awareness.

Self-love can be a good thing.

Done with you.

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