BodyBuilder. Reality vs. Expectation

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Quote from: Chris on February 23, 2017, 01:01:12 AMEducate yourself before you try to find entertainment in a field you don't understand.
I'm not a mod, but trolling is against the board rules and you're clearly trolling. Heck, you are even that bold and put it in your signature.
Now make your screenshots for reddit and leave.



I've never seen a topic derailing twice
My condolence, Captain 

I know plenty from the time I've spent here. For very short guys I totally understand why they do it. But guys pushing to get into tall territory even after they've been jacked up by one leg lengthening clearly have problems similar to an anorexic or something. If you have to get an ATL and walk like a gimp and insist that you're gonna get another one because "lol least i'll be tall" then it's a case of delusion. A poster here called Sweden has the same thing, admitting he can barely run and isn't what he used to be, constant pains and stiffness and what not, yet still wants a second lengthening so he can get close to 6 feet. This is the kind of mentality that should disqualify these people from further surgery. These doctors are taking already injured people and injuring them even more with a second lengthening, should they accept them as a patient. They need a bunch of prozac, not another round of cosmetic surgery.

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You guys need to understand that we all are biased, we all are here because we dont  like our height and subconsciously we tend to blame it for everything.
Personally I totally disagree with BodyBuilder. Yeahs he did LL, he has proper knowledge about LL, but I still think he's wrong. 

If you go to any forum with players, they will tell you to fk what girls think and work on your game. If you game is solid and youre above lets say 5'7 then there is nothing that should stop you. Also its not my personal opinion! You might as, why? Its because im biased like yourself , I blame height for a lot of thing because I feel it. And we all know that emotions are  often not real.

If you are 175 cm and there is dude who's 180 cm, Im sure your facial features and games will decide whether he is taking girl back home or you. Also if there is dude who is 180 but does have much less free money for fun and there is you 175cm with extra $50k to spend on holiday etc because you decided to not to do LL(lets say femurs). Who do you think will fk more girls in next 2 or 3 years and maybe find future wife?  Just think how much more opportunities you will have because of that 50k in you account!


We're putting to much emphasis on height and we forget that after certain point more features come into play.

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@ big troll daddy: I am normal and I walk normal too from what people see. So stop telling bs if you don't know anything about my current condition. Yes, my tendons are not as they should because I had a bad surgery but is is something almost completely irreversible and that's why I'm gonna (try to) fix it. And noone ever gave me strange looks or told me anything about my gait or something so it is a thing that only I can feel and has nothing to do with my appearance and how others see me.
But if I can improve my abilities and be almost back to completely normal compared to my preLL condition with another one surgery, there is no reason to not do it. And that's what I'm going to do.
That has nothing to do with my will to reach 5.11 and never face any negative comment about my height again.
These are two completely different things.

@ doomsday: if two men are about the same in appearance and one is 5.9 and the other one is 5.11, who do you think that the vast majority of women would choose?
Also, I'd really prefer to attract women with my appearance and then with my character than with money (50k you mentioned). I prefer women who like me, even after an added height than women who care about money and all these.

If you think that with a height like 5.7-8 nothing holds you back, especially on dating, then I'm really happy about you and I hope you'll never prove yourself wrong.
But my personal experience and from what I everyday see with men at about my height is different.
Yes, my current height is not bad for dating but it is also not a benefit. And there is no reason to not change something to improve your life if you have the ability to do it.
So, I can't accept that height makes my life harder or at least not as easy as it could have been if I was above average height.
That's why I'm planning for a second LL. Of course I am not doomed at my current height, I have many chances in everything including dating but by reaching 5.11 then height will never be again an issue in anything in my life.
So, since I'll have the ability to reach that height and have the social benefits from being relatively tall and also feel completely ok with my self, there is no reason to stop without doing it.
And I'm sure that this is the main reason that many peers here who are already 5.8-5.10 (that's the max limit for worth  doing LL imo)  think about this surgery.
We don't need it at all cost and to be socially accepted like really short men who face a huge and completely unfair discrimination, but it could still improve our lives a lot.

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I like Bodybuilder. He seems like a decent guy. I don't agree with him though on many things. I don't want to argue, and I don't think I'm being hurtful by what I'm about to say since I  too had ATL

I'm getting special  braces   that you can only get in the States. They are leg braces  but special ones with much greater stability, and more importantly, they store energy and propel you forward. This will make my "push off' as it once was if not stronger than befote

I'm doing this because the  truth is that anyone that gets ATL  in both legs will have permanent weakness.  Achilles shortening might help a bit, but  you will still be left with a permanent deficit.  The deficit is not minor.

This is a hard  fact to swallow, but it's the reality.  Every single study I've read on achilles shortening  concludes that even though  strength can be increased, it is relative to your lengthened state.  The studies are almost always done on patients with 1 normal leg, and they test both legs of the participants after a year or more. Every single study I've read measures the   plantar strength and calf size of the surgical leg( my made up term) to be 50-55%  of the normal leg. 

What I've written applies more generally thought not as extremely  to the entire process of lengthening. Stretching soft tissue has deleterious  effects that  may never  fully recede, or take years to maximally recover

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Quote from: Body Builder on February 23, 2017, 02:08:10 AM
@ doomsday: if two men are about the same in appearance and one is 5.9 and the other one is 5.11, who do you think that the vast majority of women would choose?
Also, I'd really prefer to attract women with my appearance and then with my character than with money (50k you mentioned). I prefer women who like me, even after an added height than women who care about money and all these.

About those 2 guys. I think women would choose the one  that looks and sounds better. So facial features, sharp look(clothes), game, being interesting(maybe you traveled a lot, interesting job?) etc.
Height is only a factor. One factor. There are other equally important. If you are 2 inches shorter but still considered normal height you can easily compensate with different factors that are FARR easier to achieve than doing LL and outshine the guy who is 2 inches taller. Also women don't choose you based on one factors such as money. But money give you ability to do   load of thing that women find attractive and interesting to them.

The problem with this forum is that everyone bombard each other with negative staff  about height and then make it worse by telling stories how they were treated badly etc.
I was 166 cm plenty of women considered me more attractive then my friends who are taller them me. Maybe I'm short but i can easily compensate with confidence, life experience ,the way I dress etc. Sure it would make huge difference if I was taller(lol and im  already 170 (in frames) ) but it not the only factor. As I said after reaching normal height, in my opinion 5'8-5'9, do other things to improve your life and dont think LL is the holy grail.
Guys here blame height for absolutely everything and they fail to see other factors that could potentially make them happier...

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I am not very interested in dating as I am very young, however I can say that I have seen beauty girls with ugly guys( they have money). If you dont have money, oh my bad you know which is your only choice.

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At 5'9", I've never been rejected for my height. I've come across only one dating profile that said 6'+ only, and that's because the girl was 5'11" (which is really rare). But even 5'10" girls want to date me. All other girls who I've seen who want to only date tall guys are usually pretty crappy girls to be dating anyway. They're usually the girls who only care about looks and status. Maybe it's just me, but I rather date a girl who cares more about your personality than your looks.

So don't do this surgery to get girls if you're above 5'7" in my opinion. It's the opposite of "alpha male". It's quite a beta male move - i.e. bending over backwards to please other people. And there's a lot of mental issues if you just want to be taller to look down on others as if you're superior to them. Only low self-esteem people do that kind of thing. Try to be more attractive in other areas of your life besides your looks. Because a lot of girls who I've dated said that looks isn't really that big of a deal to them. And I know, because I only have like a 7 face and a 5 body.

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Bodybuilder, have you tried boots with lifts to add 4-5 cm to your normal height with shoes? If you have, do you notice a big difference in response from the women you date / try to date? Not trying to pick on you, I'm truly interested in the marginal effect

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@ crimsontide: thank you for your kind words first of all.
About AT shortening, the biggest research which included 11 patients who had this surgery after tendon elongation from bad surgeries after AT rupture and were under the observation of dr Mafulli, maybe the best doctor in the world about achilles tendon surgeries (he only does orthopaedic surgeries to ach tendons, nothing else!) and is also on the internet, have much greater results than 50-55%.
The average push off power was restored to 82% and calf diameter was about 3 cm less compared to healthy foot (less than 10% difference).
And all the patients except from 1 said that they couldn't feel any difference between their legs, healthy and operated one.
So my friend, at least on papers, AT shortening seems to work a lot and after all, my calf size is already less than 10% smaller than before ATL (I'm an amateur BBer so I always measured my muscles and I know exactly the difference) so 50-55% of gastrocnemius reduction is far from reality, at least for relatively young and healthy patients.

I'm sorry for the off topic post but I"ve read a lot about what I"m going to do and have an excellent doctor with great experience on ach. tendons, so I know why I am so optimist about this surgery. After all, even now with overlengthened tendons (especially the left one) most of the times I am generally speaking good and walk normal, so if I wasn't sure about the good incomes of tendon shortening (at least on theory and what research shows) then I wouldn't have considered doing it.
I hope that everything will be ok with me and  maybe you consider doing it too in the future.

@ Dointgitforme: first of all congratulations for your diary and your smooth LL experience.
You have many right points on what you say but you know something? I'm very happy with anything else in my life and I don't want to-can't improve anything else in my appearance because I'm lucky to have a good face and my body, after 11 years of continuous working out (with only 2 years break after LL) is at its best.
And I wasn't been rejected for my height too, at least openly, but I"ve many times heard that I'm not tall enough or that I'd have been much better if I was 5.11 and these kind of comments.
And after all, I know that if I were 5.11 I'd have been more aesthetic looking than now and if we want to discuss and about proportions (which doesn't matter a lot for me) it is better for someone to have equally lenfgthened femurs-tibias compared to someone with just 7.5 cm lengthened tibias.

So, there is really no reason for not doing another LL and reach my dream height.
Money doesn't matter for me if I'm completely happy with myself and have social benefits from height (which you don't have when you are shorter than about 5.11) and risks are not many with femur LL with a capable doctor.
For all these reasons, a second LL is really something that will improve my life a lot.

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Bodybuilder so you were 5"7 before.