DoingItForMe's Precice 2 Internal Femurs with Dr. Paley

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DIFM, thanks so much for your insight into all of this.

Looking for a straight up opinion. I am a 40 yr old guy who has lived a life riddled with height neurosis. I am 5'5", and very successful. My flexibility is not as good as yours but is better than average. Also, I don't want to consider this surgery for a couple of years, and will have time to work on my body further as I get closer.

Also, I am set on doing 6 cm - NO MORE.

From your experience of who you have met and learned about on the forum - should I consider this or just get it out of my head now, and move on with life??

Your opinion is much appreciated.

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Quote from: The Kaiser on October 07, 2016, 03:46:17 PMdon't worry am sure its a couple months matter to walk normally like before, don't think about sport at the moment.

1- you're now 8 months post-op?
2- what happened to programdude? i knew he had a longer recovery but nothing more serious
1- 15 months post op
2- He took his rods out 1 year post-op, and then he snapped his femur and had to get another rod put in.

Quote from: drvbmc on October 11, 2016, 06:39:33 AMDIFM, thanks so much for your insight into all of this.

Looking for a straight up opinion. I am a 40 yr old guy who has lived a life riddled with height neurosis. I am 5'5", and very successful. My flexibility is not as good as yours but is better than average. Also, I don't want to consider this surgery for a couple of years, and will have time to work on my body further as I get closer.

Also, I am set on doing 6 cm - NO MORE.

From your experience of who you have met and learned about on the forum - should I consider this or just get it out of my head now, and move on with life??

Your opinion is much appreciated.
I mean, if you can get your height neurosis out of your head and move on, then you don't need this surgery. If you're not capable of that, then you could also seek professional help. If that doesn't work, then there's 3 things to consider for this surgery:
1) Cost
2) Health
3) Time loss

I've already outlined all those in my diary. Basically it's 1) around $100,000 (maybe less if you go with a cheaper doctor, maybe more if you have complications). 2) loss of flexibility and muscles and athleticism. 3) 6-12 months of your life spent being fully/partially handicap. If all that sacrifice is acceptable to you, then there's only two other things to ask you.

1) Are you doing this for yourself or for someone else. If you are doing this for yourself, then okay. If not, then please consider not doing it for the other person. He or she is not worth it.
2) Have you tried wearing 6 cm shoe lifts before? If not, try it out for a while. See if 6 cm makes a difference in your life. If it does, and you go, "Yes, I wish this is permanent and am willing to sacrifice the money, time and health to get it." then I guess this surgery is the answer you seek.

That's the journey I took before I made my decision to do the surgery. And now my height neurosis is gone. I'm not sure that it'll be gone at 5'7", though, honestly. 5'7" still isn't very tall (no offense). That's why you should try the 6 cm shoe lifts first. See if it's really what you think it's like. Sometimes the grass looks greener on the other side until you actually get there. So give 5'7" a trial run first. Might as well get your friends used to your new height anyway.

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Quote from: DoingItForMe on October 14, 2016, 05:35:08 AM1- 15 months post op
2- He took his rods out 1 year post-op, and then he snapped his femur and had to get another rod put in.
I mean, if you can get your height neurosis out of your head and move on, then you don't need this surgery. If you're not capable of that, then you could also seek professional help. If that doesn't work, then there's 3 things to consider for this surgery:
1) Cost
2) Health
3) Time loss

I've already outlined all those in my diary. Basically it's 1) around $100,000 (maybe less if you go with a cheaper doctor, maybe more if you have complications). 2) loss of flexibility and muscles and athleticism. 3) 6-12 months of your life spent being fully/partially handicap. If all that sacrifice is acceptable to you, then there's only two other things to ask you.

1) Are you doing this for yourself or for someone else. If you are doing this for yourself, then okay. If not, then please consider not doing it for the other person. He or she is not worth it.
2) Have you tried wearing 6 cm shoe lifts before? If not, try it out for a while. See if 6 cm makes a difference in your life. If it does, and you go, "Yes, I wish this is permanent and am willing to sacrifice the money, time and health to get it." then I guess this surgery is the answer you seek.

That's the journey I took before I made my decision to do the surgery. And now my height neurosis is gone. I'm not sure that it'll be gone at 5'7", though, honestly. 5'7" still isn't very tall (no offense). That's why you should try the 6 cm shoe lifts first. See if it's really what you think it's like. Sometimes the grass looks greener on the other side until you actually get there. So give 5'7" a trial run first. Might as well get your friends used to your new height anyway.

wtf!! Programdude removed his rod how come he snapped his femur and should do another Precice!! why did his bone fused 100%

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Thanks for your response. I appreciate thinking this through with others, who have been in the same boat, because frankly, I do not have many people in my life who share my experience.

1. I am certainly not doing this for anybody but myself. Other than some occasional callous comments from idiots, and some girls who said they would not date a shorter guy, this issue is in my head only.

2. I have used 6 cm shoe lifts (Bugarri makes very good 2-3" shoes), and I feel much better when I wear them.

3. I realize that 5'7" is not tall, but I am not expecting to be tall in my life. I am however of the mindset that 5'7" is a noticeable step up from 5'5", especially when comparing my height to girls in society.

Having said all of that, I am very athletic. I play competitive hockey, and am a single digit handicap golfer. I am NOT willing to sacrifice my athletic ability over this.
From your experience, do you think that a 6 cm surgery will limit my ability to play sports, say a year after it?

Also, is the healing not shorter for 6 vs 8 cm, making walking more realistic in 4-6 months?

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If you are really playing competitive then forget it.
It's not even going back to your full self but 1 year after initial surgery? No chance.

6cm vs 8cm has an impact on your recovery rate, healing time and amount of reduced athletic ability.

You have pretty clear mindset, if you really think that it will help you and it's holding you back then it's absolutly alright. Just remember that this surgery makes you taller but it won't solve your issues by itself.

I feel you, 5'5 and living in a tall european country. Unfortunately i needed to give up on playing basketball after nasty incident with my leg.

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Quote from: drvbmc on October 14, 2016, 04:16:54 PMThanks for your response. I appreciate thinking this through with others, who have been in the same boat, because frankly, I do not have many people in my life who share my experience.

1. I am certainly not doing this for anybody but myself. Other than some occasional callous comments from idiots, and some girls who said they would not date a shorter guy, this issue is in my head only.

2. I have used 6 cm shoe lifts (Bugarri makes very good 2-3" shoes), and I feel much better when I wear them.

3. I realize that 5'7" is not tall, but I am not expecting to be tall in my life. I am however of the mindset that 5'7" is a noticeable step up from 5'5", especially when comparing my height to girls in society.

Having said all of that, I am very athletic. I play competitive hockey, and am a single digit handicap golfer. I am NOT willing to sacrifice my athletic ability over this.
From your experience, do you think that a 6 cm surgery will limit my ability to play sports, say a year after it?

Also, is the healing not shorter for 6 vs 8 cm, making walking more realistic in 4-6 months?

a year, two and three. its will diminish your athletic ability, maybe later you can play it for fun, but make a career from it no way. the theory say the new bone should be same or stronger but i don't know why people strugle

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Quote from: The Kaiser on October 14, 2016, 08:28:11 PMa year, two and three. its will diminish your athletic ability, maybe later you can play it for fun, but make a career from it no way. the theory say the new bone should be same or stronger but i don't know why people strugle

They struggle not because of the bone. The bone will be thicker in that area after LL. The problem is that your muscles are stretched out. When it's stretched out, it's weaker. Also add the fact that you won't use your muscles for a few months. That makes you much weaker, too. Sometimes people never recover from muscle atrophy. My legs are definitely much weaker than before. I struggle just to get up from a squat. The rest of my body is as strong or stronger than before, though. Just the thigh/butt area is weak as hell. I might recover because I'm not competitive. But if someone were in competitive sports... you can forget about it.

If you go with 6 cm instead of 8 cm, you can probably start walking in 4-6 months. That's a very realistic goal. Will you be normal in 4-6 months? No. Your walking will look weird still. And your butt will be non-existent. And your muscles will be so weak that you can't even get up from a squat.

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Quote from: DoingItForMe on October 15, 2016, 08:12:17 AMThey struggle not because of the bone. The bone will be thicker in that area after LL. The problem is that your muscles are stretched out. When it's stretched out, it's weaker. Also add the fact that you won't use your muscles for a few months. That makes you much weaker, too. Sometimes people never recover from muscle atrophy. My legs are definitely much weaker than before. I struggle just to get up from a squat. The rest of my body is as strong or stronger than before, though. Just the thigh/butt area is weak as hell. I might recover because I'm not competitive. But if someone were in competitive sports... you can forget about it.

If you go with 6 cm instead of 8 cm, you can probably start walking in 4-6 months. That's a very realistic goal. Will you be normal in 4-6 months? No. Your walking will look weird still. And your butt will be non-existent. And your muscles will be so weak that you can't even get up from a squat.

There are a lot walked normally in 6 months, especially with Guichet

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My challenge is trying to understand what is a single person's experience vs what is the likely outcome.

I find it disappointing that Paley significantly understates the extent of this procedure, and is apparently telling people that the chance of 100% recover is nearly 100% (from what I have read). I am certainly getting a different picture from many others.

In my mind, if there is even a 15-20% chance of permanent reduction in ability, I do not think this procedure is worth the risk. I would rather live pain free with full function than a couple inches taller and in constant pain.

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Quote from: drvbmc on October 18, 2016, 12:32:20 AMMy challenge is trying to understand what is a single person's experience vs what is the likely outcome.

I find it disappointing that Paley significantly understates the extent of this procedure, and is apparently telling people that the chance of 100% recover is nearly 100% (from what I have read). I am certainly getting a different picture from many others.

In my mind, if there is even a 15-20% chance of permanent reduction in ability, I do not think this procedure is worth the risk. I would rather live pain free with full function than a couple inches taller and in constant pain.

your strength will reduce for sure, you will be 80-90% fully recoverd at best