DoingItForMe's Precice 2 Internal Femurs with Dr. Paley

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Quote from: Alu on February 04, 2017, 07:42:32 PMYou really really really really missed the point didn't you...

No. The dude just came into LL with bad timing and a non-supportive girl. That's why he feels this weird way now. He says he's okay being single but obviously that's not true, he's trying to cope into this weird "strong" personality that he doesn't care about anything and he's just going to be happy. But obviously he still misses that girl a lot and regrets the surgery because he thinks it's what made him lose her. And the fact that he hasn't dated since having the surgery only multiplies this feeling tenfold.

He could've just as easily gotten LL, met the love of his life (taller than 5'5), and also randomly made ten billion more dollars and he'd be in a much happier place now. He'd be signing autographs, going on TV, recommending LL to the whole wide world, every man, woman, and child. But I truly feel like losing his girl along the way really, really messed with him.

QuoteJust so that heightist/superficial girl would date you? Screw that.

Just LOL. Dude, why are you still trying to be so nice? I can tell you're an awkward, nice guy by the way you write. You've made your goals. You are accomplished. It's time to go on savage time.

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Quote from: DoingItForMe on February 04, 2017, 02:44:29 PMI just stopped caring. I'm not going to spend the time and energy focusing on these superficial things about myself anymore. I instead am focusing on doing the things I love doing, and I'm living a pretty happy life right now. And I would have been happy even without the surgery. I know because I remember that I felt this way a few years ago when I was still short. And I hope that you guys can reach that point, too. And if you think you can only reach that point if you had a girlfriend, and if you think you can only get a girlfriend if you're taller, then you're wrong. I am single now and have been ever since the surgery. It's strange because when I was short, I was almost never single. I always had a fear of being alone and not being wanted when I was short. But now that I'm taller, I don't have those insecurities anymore. And without those insecurities, I realized that I don't even need a gf anymore to be happy. And I'm not even saying it like I'm in some kind of denial. I've just reached that point in my life where I truly don't care what people think of me, and that I'm going to live the life that I always dreamed of living. I don't need validation from anyone.

That's a very wise realization to have, especially if someone doesn't only say it but actually believes it (which I truly believe you do). And if you've come to that realization only after the surgery, so be it. Life has its strange ways.

However, I'm still very doubtful I can be completely happy without getting taller. No matter how often I think that so many short men succeed in life and absolutely "own their height", I don't want to have the same fate. It's just that my dad is about 6 cm taller and I have this incredibly tenacious suspicion that I might have stunted my growth during my teen years, and thus never reached his height. The complications from this surgery - pain, muscle weakness, irritations -they are annoying and they suck. But height, that is something very different. It is something that through an abstract societal mechanism defines your very worth and status as a male human being. Something that is in some way intrinsically bound to you as a person. Pain and discomfort are not. That's why I sometimes think that no matter what I will need this surgery.

All the best to you.

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on February 04, 2017, 07:57:07 PMThat's a very wise realization to have, especially if someone doesn't only say it but actually believes it (which I truly believe you do). And if you've come to that realization only after the surgery, so be it. Life has its strange ways.

However, I'm still very doubtful I can be completely happy without getting taller. No matter how often I think that so many short men succeed in life and absolutely "own their height", I don't want to have the same fate. It's just that my dad is about 6 cm taller and I have this incredibly tenacious suspicion that I might have stunted my growth during my teen years, and thus never reached his height. The complications from this surgery - pain, muscle weakness, irritations -they are annoying and they suck. But height, that is something very different. It is something that through an abstract societal mechanism defines your very worth and status as a male human being. Something that is in some way intrinsically bound to you as a person. Pain and discomfort are not. That's why I sometimes think that no matter what I will need this surgery.

All the best to you.

This. We can all sit back, hit a bong, and talk about how nice we feel and say we don't need any validation. But eventually that high wears off. And the moment you step outside, all those nice feelings disappear again. The moment a girl who's showing some interest in you says, "sorry, you're just too short." all those nice copes disappear again. Humans are social creatures, the desire to feel validated and belong to a group ("being a man", "being a man desired by women") is primitively encoded into our DNA.

DIFM, I know you say you're okay being single or whatever, but please, I really, really suggest you start dating again. You need to get over your ex. You will always subconsciously have a link with LL being bad because you miss your ex, until you get over her, you will feel like you made the wrong choice.

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I actually agree with captainamerica 100%.

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Athletic ability is like st because you lose rom in your ankles with tibia and with femurs hips and knees can become tight. The muscle stretching loss is likely only in extreme amounts.

It also varies depending on the athletic abilities you are talking about, competitive sports you won't be as good as you were at and possible stuff like running for endurance. Weight training provided you stay in the smaller lengths it will be minimal.

I'd hazard a guess regardless that 95% of the guys on here are not good athletes anyway and certainly not top level one at that. Provided you can stay fit and build a bit of muscle afterwards you are good to go.  Look around gyms and see how many people have good bodies, the folk doing cardio are either skinny or fat and making zero progress and the weights area is full of fat guys under the delusion they are all pure muscle

As for your girlfriend making that comment about your proportions and walking I'm certain that if she had met you after your operation she wouldn't notice a thing! It's just her mind playing tricks on her because she knows you did it. Get over her and forget her and don't put her up on a pedestal, trust me she's not as great as you think she is that's just stuff us guys think in our heads

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Quote from: CaptainAmerica on February 04, 2017, 08:05:43 PMThis. We can all sit back, hit a bong, and talk about how nice we feel and say we don't need any validation. But eventually that high wears off. And the moment you step outside, all those nice feelings disappear again. The moment a girl who's showing some interest in you says, "sorry, you're just too short." all those nice copes disappear again. Humans are social creatures, the desire to feel validated and belong to a group ("being a man", "being a man desired by women") is primitively encoded into our DNA.

DIFM, I know you say you're okay being single or whatever, but please, I really, really suggest you start dating again. You need to get over your ex. You will always subconsciously have a link with LL being bad because you miss your ex, until you get over her, you will feel like you made the wrong choice.

I see the misunderstanding here. When I say I'm single, it doesn't mean that I'm lonely and no girl is dating me. It means that I'm seeing several girls at once, and I haven't entered an exclusive relationship to any of them yet. I'm still playing the field because being a 5'9" young millionaire means that I get a new date request every few hours. And yes, a few of them are taller than my previous height, so I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't have dated me at 5'6". I'm sorry if that statement feeds anyone's height neurosis and inner bully. This is why I didn't want to mention it in my previous posts, and just left it at "I'm single".

So, I am very much over my ex. We broke up 2 years ago! I only mentioned her because I was curious if she broke up with me because of the surgery, and she confirmed it recently. I was only telling that story as a cautionary tale that the surgery might backfire (weird gait/disproportions with tibs/femur), and not because I miss her or regret the surgery.

Of course, everyone needs a little validation every now and then. But I'm saying that I don't think I need my height to feel validated. I am validated for my many many other accomplishments. So I'm saying that this surgery wasn't necessary. Yes, it sucks to be rejected for your height. I've been there. We've all been there. But you gotta learn to take rejection and not let it affect you. Just remind yourself that everyone has a type that they like, and just because you're not HER type, doesn't mean that you're a bad date. So don't beat yourself up if you are short. Now that I've been on both sides, short and normal height, I can say definitively that my happiness level remains unchanged from pre-surgery to post-surgery.

It's interesting that you say that the "high" wears off, because that's exactly what happened with my height "high". It was amazing at first to be taller, but that slowly became the norm, and that "high" is gone. If I craved more validation for my looks, I'd do my tibs and become 5'11" and fix my proportions. But I don't. I'm happy with who I am, and all I'm saying is that I hope you guys get to that place, too. I will have a beer waiting for you when you get to the other side. Best of luck to all you still fighting your inner demons.

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Quote from: DoingItForMe on February 04, 2017, 09:11:50 PM

Now that I've been on both sides, short and normal height, I can say definitively that my happiness level remains unchanged from pre-surgery to post-surgery.

This... is EXACTLY what Rozbruch and his psychologist are looking for. They want you to be extremely motivated, driven and successful before doing this, and make sure you're not doing this for validation. Your other accomplishments should speak for themselves.

Thank you for saying this

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Great diary bro. I'm on page 5 and will read the rest consistently. I'm sorry that your girlfriend had to break up with you, with whom you had a long-term relationship but also really glad that the surgery was ultimately worth it for you in the end since it solved psychological confusions. You were at great hands (Dr. Paley).

One thing I'm curious about (apologies if you already clarified); I notice you mention your pre-post op height 5'6->5'9 but initially stated 5'5->5'8?

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Quote from: TheLichKing on February 04, 2017, 09:24:47 PMGreat diary bro. I'm on page 5 and will read the rest consistently. I'm sorry that your girlfriend had to break up with you, with whom you had a long-term relationship but also really glad that the surgery was ultimately worth it for you in the end since it solved psychological confusions. You were at great hands (Dr. Paley).

One thing I'm curious about (apologies if you already clarified); I notice you mention your pre-post op height 5'6->5'9 but initially stated 5'5->5'8?

When at the Paley office for the consultation, they measured me shorter. It was in the afternoon, they also slammed the bar on my head so that I had to shrink my neck a bit. They told me that I was 5'5", which was weird because my driver license says 5'6". Anyway so I assumed that I shrunk and that my final height would be 5'8". But after the whole surgery was finished, I got remeasured at my local doctor's office, and I'm actually a little below 5'9" now - taken in the morning. It was like 174.6 cm or something like that. Now that I think about it, I think Dr. Paley's office did that to make me think that I was actually shorter than I actually was as part of their sales pitch. Their consultation felt very much like a sales pitch - like making me stand on wooden shoes to "see what it's like to be 8 cm taller".

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Quote from: DoingItForMe on February 04, 2017, 09:11:50 PMI see the misunderstanding here. When I say I'm single, it doesn't mean that I'm lonely and no girl is dating me. It means that I'm seeing several girls at once, and I haven't entered an exclusive relationship to any of them yet. I'm still playing the field because being a 5'9" young millionaire means that I get a new date request every few hours. And yes, a few of them are taller than my previous height, so I'm pretty sure that they wouldn't have dated me at 5'6". I'm sorry if that statement feeds anyone's height neurosis and inner bully. This is why I didn't want to mention it in my previous posts, and just left it at "I'm single".

So, I am very much over my ex. We broke up 2 years ago! I only mentioned her because I was curious if she broke up with me because of the surgery, and she confirmed it recently. I was only telling that story as a cautionary tale that the surgery might backfire (weird gait/disproportions with tibs/femur), and not because I miss her or regret the surgery.

Of course, everyone needs a little validation every now and then. But I'm saying that I don't think I need my height to feel validated. I am validated for my many many other accomplishments. So I'm saying that this surgery wasn't necessary. Yes, it sucks to be rejected for your height. I've been there. We've all been there. But you gotta learn to take rejection and not let it affect you. Just remind yourself that everyone has a type that they like, and just because you're not HER type, doesn't mean that you're a bad date. So don't beat yourself up if you are short. Now that I've been on both sides, short and normal height, I can say definitively that my happiness level remains unchanged from pre-surgery to post-surgery.

It's interesting that you say that the "high" wears off, because that's exactly what happened with my height "high". It was amazing at first to be taller, but that slowly became the norm, and that "high" is gone. If I craved more validation for my looks, I'd do my tibs and become 5'11" and fix my proportions. But I don't. I'm happy with who I am, and all I'm saying is that I hope you guys get to that place, too. I will have a beer waiting for you when you get to the other side. Best of luck to all you still fighting your inner demons.

Lol now THIS is what I'm talking about! This is savage time! And yeah, I can imagine the height "high" wears off but that's something I actually wouldn't mind. That's like saying you lose the "high" from getting a bigger dck during puberty. Like well, eventually it does become normal, but if you had a 2 inch prepubescent dck for the rest of your life you'd really feel fkED.

Look dude, no one, NO ONE in public is looking at your proportions. Everyone has their own insecurities and 10,000 other thoughts on their mind. As much as I like to play devil on the shoulder, I wouldn't suggest you do tibias. Just wipe that thought out of your mind. You don't need to.

In your other post, you sounded lonely, contemplative, and even a bit regretful. You have in most updates, actually. This is the first time where it sounds like to me you are finally admitting that LL has been something positive.

QuoteJust remind yourself that everyone has a type that they like, and just because you're not HER type, doesn't mean that you're a bad date. So don't beat yourself up if you are short

I don't know man. When 99% of women prefer an average looking taller guy over an average looking shorter guy, it's not a "type" or "preferences" game anymore. This sounds like something someone not seeking to do LL would be saying.

QuoteI can say definitively that my happiness level remains unchanged from pre-surgery to post-surgery.

This seems a little dubious to me. What about your stress levels? What about just being "content"? You mean you don't feel any happiness from now being able to just approach women and not be immediately rejected? You don't feel any happiness from showing up to a corporate networking event and being treated like a normal person?

I feel like after I get LL I will wipe my fking forehead and say woo what a relief finally that was over with now I can go out in public in PEACE. I've already felt so much relief from just wearing like 1.5 inch lifts, so I can't imagine what 4 inches would do. Before meeting clients or a girl I'm legit worried about being too short. And I honestly can tell when they think I'm too short. There's a certain look you see on their face that is just so hilarious. It'd be nice to not have to worry about small things like that, that occur in nearly every aspect of adult life.