DoingItForMe's Precice 2 Internal Femurs with Dr. Paley

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Quote from: drvbmc on October 18, 2016, 12:32:20 AMMy challenge is trying to understand what is a single person's experience vs what is the likely outcome.

I find it disappointing that Paley significantly understates the extent of this procedure, and is apparently telling people that the chance of 100% recover is nearly 100% (from what I have read). I am certainly getting a different picture from many others.

In my mind, if there is even a 15-20% chance of permanent reduction in ability, I do not think this procedure is worth the risk. I would rather live pain free with full function than a couple inches taller and in constant pain.

 If that's the case, this surgery isnt for you. If you arent willing to sacrifice your athletisism to an extent, you have nothing to search with this kind of surgery as your athletic ability will be diminished afterwards

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Quote from: drvbmc on October 18, 2016, 12:32:20 AM
In my mind, if there is even a 15-20% chance of permanent reduction in ability, I do not think this procedure is worth the risk. I would rather live pain free with full function than a couple inches taller and in constant pain.

You are right reduction in 20% ability coupled with pain for life might not be worth it. However, the way I look at it is if you grow taller and you become bigger than your former self, then the reduced ability could be explained by the fact that bigger guys are less agile than smaller guys. Also in boxing smaller guys have quicker reflexes and move faster than bigger guys. Thats just my take on it without any scientific thought behind it. Obviously people who have done the surgery are more well equipped to answer this.

However, I would be very interested in knowing about people who have only done 4-5cm max with internal femurs and their athletic ability and pain levels say 5 years after the operation.

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Quote from: EliminateError on October 18, 2016, 11:03:07 AMYou are right reduction in 20% ability coupled with pain for life might not be worth it. However, the way I look at it is if you grow taller and you become bigger than your former self, then the reduced ability could be explained by the fact that bigger guys are less agile than smaller guys. Also in boxing smaller guys have quicker reflexes and move faster than bigger guys. Thats just my take on it without any scientific thought behind it. Obviously people who have done the surgery are more well equipped to answer this.

However, I would be very interested in knowing about people who have only done 4-5cm max with internal femurs and their athletic ability and pain levels say 5 years after the operation.

when you become taller by operation, you will not get bigger, your gene remain same. accept the lose of athletic ability and do it, or continue your career if you have one. sometimes its will be sad, imagine someone stole your wallet and you walk normally and slow to catch him

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Quote from: EliminateError on October 18, 2016, 11:03:07 AMYou are right reduction in 20% ability coupled with pain for life might not be worth it. However, the way I look at it is if you grow taller and you become bigger than your former self, then the reduced ability could be explained by the fact that bigger guys are less agile than smaller guys. Also in boxing smaller guys have quicker reflexes and move faster than bigger guys. Thats just my take on it without any scientific thought behind it. Obviously people who have done the surgery are more well equipped to answer this.

However, I would be very interested in knowing about people who have only done 4-5cm max with internal femurs and their athletic ability and pain levels say 5 years after the operation.

You lose athletic abilities because you stretch your soft tissue(muscles etc.)

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Quote from: The Kaiser on October 18, 2016, 11:15:56 AMwhen you become taller by operation, you will not get bigger, your gene remain same. accept the lose of athletic ability and do it, or continue your career if you have one. sometimes its will be sad, imagine someone stole your wallet and you walk normally and slow to catch him

Thanks for your response. I do have a career which requires me to sit all day long. I just thought if I achieve my goal of 4cm internal femurs it won't compromise my athletic abilities that much. But I havent seen enough cases who did 4cm on this website, I guess it might not be worth it for many llers.

You lose athletic abilities because you stretch your soft tissue(muscles etc.) [/quote]

If you stretch soft tissues etc then even 1cm will have an affect on athletic ability for sure.

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In the end, we can all agree that there is risk associated with this procedure.

The one problem I think people make is desiring longer lengths than their bodies can handle. I can certainly see why people would 'stretch' for more, but therein lies the risk/reward.

The question I would like to explore is:

What is the # of cm an average healthy male can lengthen his femurs and then achieve 80-90% mobility AND be pain free within 2 years after the procedure.

I realize this is not admissible medical evidence, but opinions are all we have at this point, since we can not always trust the surgeons opinion.

Post a number from 0-10 cm. 

My initial thought leans to 4 cm.

ps. Do not take into account - 'is it worth it?'
I am only exploring what we think the body can handle.

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Quote from: drvbmc on October 19, 2016, 12:38:06 AMIn the end, we can all agree that there is risk associated with this procedure.

The one problem I think people make is desiring longer lengths than their bodies can handle. I can certainly see why people would 'stretch' for more, but therein lies the risk/reward.

The question I would like to explore is:

What is the # of cm an average healthy male can lengthen his femurs and then achieve 80-90% mobility AND be pain free within 2 years after the procedure.

I realize this is not admissible medical evidence, but opinions are all we have at this point, since we can not always trust the surgeons opinion.

Post a number from 0-10 cm. 

My initial thought leans to 4 cm.

ps. Do not take into account - 'is it worth it?'
I am only exploring what we think the body can handle.

 Maybe open another thread about this? It's DIFM diary...

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Sorry. No disrespect intended.

Will start a separate post.

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Hey man,how are you?How is life with your new height ?

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Quote from: Peaceout on December 27, 2016, 12:21:30 PMHey man,how are you?How is life with your new height ?

I've been enjoying life, man. I realize why a lot of LL veterans don't return here after they're done with the LL. They don't want to be reminded of their surgery and the torment they went through. They've moved on with their lives.

I am one of those people now. I don't think about my height anymore. I used to think that I'd be better off if I were just a little bit taller at 5'10" or 5'11". But nowadays I simply don't care. Why? Because I'm too busy enjoying my life.

I remember that I kept getting asked this question a lot: Do you have regrets about the surgery or was the surgery worth it or if you could turn back time would you do it again? My answer was always wavering, because it depended on whether I had any permanent issues such as weird walking or permanent pain/tightness. I feel that I am ready to give an answer now.

Let me start by giving an update on my life since my last update. According to my latest x-ray, my bones still haven't healed fully yet. Bad news. The gap between the two pieces of my femur show little to no signs of growth. Of the little growth I see, I estimate that it'd take maybe 3 or more years before the gap closes. The good news is that the pain has subsided enough that I don't remember that I had LL - when before it used to hurt just by even sitting still. Now I only feel the pain once in a while when I angle my legs in a weird way or if I take a heavy side step or trip. But a majority of the time, my legs just feel normal again.

The other thing that happened, if you followed my diary, was my long-term gf broke up with me after I did the surgery. I always suspected that it was because I had the surgery. Well, a few weeks ago, I finally met up with her again, and she confirmed me that yes, the surgery was one of the major reasons why she broke up with me. She liked me when I was shorter and actually doesn't like my new height. She says I look disproportional. She says that I walk funny still. It's weird that she said that because I thought I was walking normally now. But after I watched a recorded video of myself, I can confirm that even today, I still walk funny. I can't even consciously correct it, because in my mind, I am walking normally. But when I watch the video, I can see that it looks weird. I concluded that it's because my femur-to-tibia ratio is screwed up, so the movement of my legs looks weird now. I looks like I'm dragging the lower part of my legs now, as if they were extra heavy.

After she said all that, I wanted to come on this forum and say that I regret doing the surgery. This was a girl who I planned to live the rest of my life with, and this surgery tore us apart. And now that I look deformed, I wondered if any girl would want to date me.

But then I realized that I was doing it again. I was trading one neurosis with another. I could have focused on how weird I walked and how disproportionate my legs look now. And I had every reason to because a girl who used to love me is rejecting me now for those things. But I didn't.

I just stopped caring. I'm not going to spend the time and energy focusing on these superficial things about myself anymore. I instead am focusing on doing the things I love doing, and I'm living a pretty happy life right now. And I would have been happy even without the surgery. I know because I remember that I felt this way a few years ago when I was still short. And I hope that you guys can reach that point, too. And if you think you can only reach that point if you had a girlfriend, and if you think you can only get a girlfriend if you're taller, then you're wrong. I am single now and have been ever since the surgery. It's strange because when I was short, I was almost never single. I always had a fear of being alone and not being wanted when I was short. But now that I'm taller, I don't have those insecurities anymore. And without those insecurities, I realized that I don't even need a gf anymore to be happy. And I'm not even saying it like I'm in some kind of denial. I've just reached that point in my life where I truly don't care what people think of me, and that I'm going to live the life that I always dreamed of living. I don't need validation from anyone.

So no, I don't regret the surgery. But at the same time, I don't think the surgery was necessary to be happy with myself. Some people think that their life will be happy if only they got this surgery and if only they were taller. But they're wrong to think that way. Don't delay your happiness. Because, let me tell you, once you get taller, there's going to be something else in your life that you don't like about yourself. It's just going to keep on going and going. You'll never be satisfied, until you start focusing on the positives in your life. You'll be happier for it if you do.