DoingItForMe's Precice 2 Internal Femurs with Dr. Paley

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Quote from: Peaceout on February 16, 2017, 07:17:56 AMYou are rich af man.Why do you use public transportation? (ive mever been in ny,assuming its because of traffic?)

The subway is sometimes faster than car because NYC traffic during rush hour is the worst. Sometimes it would take you 15 minutes just to make a left turn because the left turn isn't allowed so you have to make three right turns and it takes that long just to make those turns. Even Google co-founder and Keanu Reeves uses the subway.

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Quote from: 6FeetSoon on February 15, 2017, 11:57:09 PMHaha you weren't paying attention when i said that my coworkers and social network are all also in the modeling industry. It's a different playing field altogether.

But I'm saying that you can compare yourself to the shorter people all around NYC, and then you won't feel as short anymore. I can't even say "short" because you're my height and I don't feel short at all. When the 5'10" beauty pageant winner stood next to me and even wore two inch heels, I didn't feel short next to her. She was looming over me and I was definitely shorter than her but I didn't feel short. Even when I asked her if it bothered her, she said, "No, does it bother you?" And it honestly didn't. She was really into me and I felt like my personality overpowered her view that I was short. The best way for me to explain it is that a lot of people don't know that Tom Cruise is short. That's because his presence and charisma exudes like someone who is larger than life. I also hang out with a lot of models due to my lifestyle, so I do understand what you're going through a bit because the modeling industry is all about physical looks. So I do understand your desire to be taller. It might even be the only scenario where I think a 5'9" guy getting LL is justified. I just don't want you to ever feel like you're short because you aren't short at all.

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Thanks for the updates DIFM! I enjoyed reading them and hope to have a LL journal as insightful as yours someday.

I have some random thoughts to add. As a 5'7" (barely, in the morning) Asian guy around your age living in a major US city, my dating experiences have been very similar to yours. Many years ago I was absolutely clueless on how to not get friend-zoned by girls, but over time I learned and built myself up to be attractive to females. I would say now that I'm at least above average in the dating game (near triple digits) yet throughout it all I have seen so many times how detrimental being short is to success with women. I'm still strongly considering getting LL, and primarily for the benefit on dating. This is my reasoning:

Quality - I'm fairly selective and I'd much rather stay in than go out with a girl under a 7, but at the same time it's not like I'm getting dates with super hot girls all the time. The amount of "stats" you need as a guy increases exponentially the hotter the girl is. While money is one potential solution, I'd need a ton more than the cost of LL to stand out there. Adding a few inches of height on top of my existing game though, will have a direct impact, or at the very least be a strong confidence booster. Even if we don't use beauty as a proxy for quality, overall getting LL will give you a shot with better girls if you've already maxed out your game elsewhere.

Access - Now if you don't meet girls in the first place where are you going to even get chances to approach hot girls? I've only gone on handful of online dates and they were meh. I had matches, but they were pretty much the exact same type as the kind I would meet IRL but took a lot more effort to close, so I've been sticking to meeting people at social events, parties, etc. It's been a while since I tried online dating, but I would say girls filter hard on height after pictures so being a little taller would definitely increase the base pool of girls to select from, both online and IRL.

Variety - Like you said, as an Asian guy it's relatively easy to get all sorts of Asian females, but incredibly hard to break out of the race. As this is an anonymous online forum I can admit that I've only been with one white girl, and she wasn't even that attractive. I'm definitely not saying that height is the only thing preventing me from getting white girls, but rather at present the white girls I can get are not nearly as hot as the Asian girls (from a race-neutral perspective) so why would I put effort into getting mediocre white girls when I can date more attractive Asians? Since girls of all races care about height and the most important threshold is being at least an inch or two taller than the girl, the extra height helps more with non-Asians.

End-game - While all of this sounds kind of vain, ultimately I do want to settle down and propagate my genetic legacy at some point, which gives a purpose to all the stringent criteria on dating. While marriage is very risky as you can only truly control your own side when it comes to commitment, I do think the best way to go about it is still some kind of formalized commitment. You also have to get a girl that's totally into you from the start, and not just settling or being okay with it. While this sounds simple on paper, if you want a high quality girl, she's going to have higher standards herself. Girls care a lot about height, so increasing your height (after everything else is optimized) will definitely be beneficial.

Obviously there are other reasons to get LL aside from women, and tons of drawbacks from getting LL but I thought I'd add those points since that's the direction the conversation has been going in this diary. I think if you have everything else together then LL can be the cherry on top. Guys that don't have everything else together should definitely work on themselves first, which is why it's understandable that you have been hesitant to recommend or praise LL, especially regarding it's benefits on dating. Ultimately, dating is a numbers game and there are many things that can increase your pool or increase your success rate. LL is just one of them and it's not a very optimized solution, so for anyone who is doing this for women, make sure you try everything else first (and there is a lot to try) especially if you are young. There are probably many other things you can improve in your life that have a more direct and immediate impact.

Personally I already have an optimized dating pipeline, but I don't want to just keep following the path of least resistance. I think LL can help push me to the next level.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on February 23, 2017, 06:40:18 PMQuality - I'm fairly selective and I'd much rather stay in than go out with a girl under a 7, but at the same time it's not like I'm getting dates with super hot girls all the time. The amount of "stats" you need as a guy increases exponentially the hotter the girl is. While money is one potential solution, I'd need a ton more than the cost of LL to stand out there. Adding a few inches of height on top of my existing game though, will have a direct impact, or at the very least be a strong confidence booster. Even if we don't use beauty as a proxy for quality, overall getting LL will give you a shot with better girls if you've already maxed out your game elsewhere.

At this point, I only date 9s and 10s, but only because there are so many girls trying to date me right now, that I've just been picky like that just to reduce the number of dates I have to go on from one a day down to two-three different girls a week. Dating has been become a full-time job for me, because I'm constantly in search of my future wife right now. My last long term gf is probably a 8-9 in looks, but her personality was a 10. I think dating a girl solely on looks is stupid if you're planning on marrying the girl. More important are things like, personality-clashes (are you both stubborn?), do you enjoy doing the same activities together, and how well she treats other people. Looks fade over time. Having said that, I took a break from my current gf (the hottest/prettiest girl), because she has some major issues to work through. I'm still open to dating her in the future, but she has to sort out her life first - and I'm talking about deal-breaker type issues. I'm about to go on a date with another girl in 3 hours, who's 5'9", European. Last night I went on a date with that 5'10" asian international beauty queen again, and I just wasn't feeling it. We watched a movie in my bed, and I wrapped my arms around her waist. She leaned her head on my chest. She gave me that look like she wanted to kiss me, and nope, there was just no chemistry. And it had nothing to do with her looks. She gets hundreds of messages from guys on her dating profile, and she dated 100 millionaires before. I just didn't like her personality. So, don't underestimate how important personality is when it comes to dating. Be physically attracted to them at least, but don't rank girls based on looks. I rather date a 8-in-looks but 10-in-personality girl, than a 10-in-looks, but 8-in-personality girl.

Quote from: BelowTheMean on February 23, 2017, 06:40:18 PMAccess - Now if you don't meet girls in the first place where are you going to even get chances to approach hot girls? I've only gone on handful of online dates and they were meh. I had matches, but they were pretty much the exact same type as the kind I would meet IRL but took a lot more effort to close, so I've been sticking to meeting people at social events, parties, etc. It's been a while since I tried online dating, but I would say girls filter hard on height after pictures so being a little taller would definitely increase the base pool of girls to select from, both online and IRL.

Online dating is brutal for asian guys in the U.S. and I heard from my white guy friends that it's super easy for them being in an Asian country. But I also noticed that my online dating game is much better on less popular dating websites/apps. Places of OKC, Bumble, POF, and Tinder were flops for me, because my looks is only like 7 at best. So the app/dating site mostly matched me with under-7 girls, and only a small number of 7+. I believe those sites only show you to people who match you in looks, which isn't my strong suit. So, instead I use dating sites geared toward rich men - not sugardaddy websites, though. Luckily, I'm considered good-looking compared the 40-50 year old rich men, since I'm in my early 30s. I'm also not creepy compared to the rich men who are trying to date people as young as their daughters or trying to buy a girls affection with money. This is where I'm getting matched with 9s and 10s all the time. Also I find that girls who want to date rich/successful men instead of simply good-looking men tend to be more mature themselves. I find the ones who care about looks in a guy tend to be immature.

Quote from: BelowTheMean on February 23, 2017, 06:40:18 PMVariety - Like you said, as an Asian guy it's relatively easy to get all sorts of Asian females, but incredibly hard to break out of the race. As this is an anonymous online forum I can admit that I've only been with one white girl, and she wasn't even that attractive. I'm definitely not saying that height is the only thing preventing me from getting white girls, but rather at present the white girls I can get are not nearly as hot as the Asian girls (from a race-neutral perspective) so why would I put effort into getting mediocre white girls when I can date more attractive Asians? Since girls of all races care about height and the most important threshold is being at least an inch or two taller than the girl, the extra height helps more with non-Asians.

Prior to LL I only attracted mostly Asian girls, but my long-term gf was white. After LL, most of my dates are non-Asian and still hot - like this blonde, blue-eyed Russian model I've been talking to. So you might be right, height is probably one of the main issue that non-asian girls have with asian guys. When I spoke with girls about why they don't date Asian guys, they said, asian guys tend to be shorter and facial structure isn't as hot as white guys. But they did say that Asian guys tend to have better culture, work ethic, more money, smarter, and more loyal.

Quote from: BelowTheMean on February 23, 2017, 06:40:18 PMEnd-game - While all of this sounds kind of vain, ultimately I do want to settle down and propagate my genetic legacy at some point, which gives a purpose to all the stringent criteria on dating. While marriage is very risky as you can only truly control your own side when it comes to commitment, I do think the best way to go about it is still some kind of formalized commitment. You also have to get a girl that's totally into you from the start, and not just settling or being okay with it. While this sounds simple on paper, if you want a high quality girl, she's going to have higher standards herself. Girls care a lot about height, so increasing your height (after everything else is optimized) will definitely be beneficial.

Here's what I think about it. Things like looks and height are just the initial ice breaker that makes a girl want to talk to you. I always ask guys who are doing LL to get girls to first change their dating profile to 5'10" or whatever their post-LL height is going to be. And then see if their dating life changed. As of yet, I still haven't heard from any guy who actually went and did this and came back to tell me that their dating life improved by a lot by lying about their height. This is because height is just one of many criteria that girls seek. They want things like:

[] Stability
[] Feeling protected
[] Financial freedom
[] Comfort
[] Loyalty
[] Sense of humor
[] Intelligence
[] Height
[] Kindness
[] Caring
[] Generous
[] Healthy
[] Well-dressed
[] Handsome face

See? It's just one of many things. When guys get rejected by height, they come on these short forums and curse the world about how it sucks to be short and how they're forever alone and etc. And yet they don't realize that they probably failed in many other parts of that checklist and height was only just one of them. Interestingly enough, height/facial structure is probably the only one on the list that guys have no control over without surgery. That's why I tell guys without a GF thinking about LL to work on their other areas first. Just from reading how some these men speak, I can already tell why girls don't want to date them. Some guys on here sound very controlling and look down on women. It's not actually the type of trait that girls yearn for.

Quote from: BelowTheMean on February 23, 2017, 06:40:18 PMObviously there are other reasons to get LL aside from women, and tons of drawbacks from getting LL but I thought I'd add those points since that's the direction the conversation has been going in this diary. I think if you have everything else together then LL can be the cherry on top. Guys that don't have everything else together should definitely work on themselves first, which is why it's understandable that you have been hesitant to recommend or praise LL, especially regarding it's benefits on dating. Ultimately, dating is a numbers game and there are many things that can increase your pool or increase your success rate. LL is just one of them and it's not a very optimized solution, so for anyone who is doing this for women, make sure you try everything else first (and there is a lot to try) especially if you are young. There are probably many other things you can improve in your life that have a more direct and immediate impact.

Personally I already have an optimized dating pipeline, but I don't want to just keep following the path of least resistance. I think LL can help push me to the next level.

This is exactly what I've been saying, and I'm glad that at least one person gets it. And if you truly believe that you've explored all other aspects in your life and height is the last thing left, and you just want to increase the quality of the girls you date, then yes, I recommend LL. You sound like you're in the same position I was in prior to LL, minus the wealth - and minus the long-term gf? I do think that being 5'10" would improve your dating life than if you were 5'7". At 5'10", it would be very hard to find a girl who will reject you at that height. At 5'7", I still think it's somewhat short and some girls would still reject you at that height. It wasn't until I past 5'7"-5'8" that I really felt like I wasn't short anymore.

But experiment before you do the LL. Change your dating profile to 5'10" and see if it improves your response rate, match quality, etc. Report back to me if it changes for the better or the worse or no change at all. I am really curious if someone would follow through with my advice and save themselves from the disappointment that would follow if they became 5'10" and their online dating life didn't change at all.

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There's more to wanting to be taller than to get women. There is also self esteem issues.

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Quote from: bander72 on February 26, 2017, 02:12:42 PMThere's more to wanting to be taller than to get women. There is also self esteem issues.

@ belowthemean: extremely well said. Thats completely how I think and what my experience tell me.
If your height is not enough for a woman then everything is much much harder.
And I don't want to have tons of money to compensate for my lack of height. I don't want to compensate for anything, especially for something like height that it can't be changed with hard work.
After all, it is much easier to find 40-50k and do internal femur with a respectable doctor than trying to have million of dollars and still women, even if they are with you, many times dream of tall handsome man.
And at the end, I prefer to be rejected for not being rich enough than for not beimg tall enough. And most of the times, rarely a girl will reject you if she likes you and you are not rich (and just have a job with an average salary) while many times a girl will reject you if you are not tall enough, without taking into consideration how much money you have.

@ bander72: if you have many successes with women then definitely your self esteem will me much greater.
On the other hand, if you have problems with women, then even if you are ok in every other aspect of your life, your self esteem will hardly be good enough.
So, women play, at least for me, the biggest (not the only of course) role for my self esteem. And height plays a very significant role for women.
So, height on both cases help a lot your self esteem.

@ Doim it for me: I'm happy with your many successes with all these women but I can't really understand how you do it taking into consideration that you are asian (and without being racist or anything like that asians aren't the most preferable men for white women), your height is about the same as mine (5.9) and your bodybas you mentioned somewhere else is completely average.
Are your money that play the biggest role for all these successes? Because if thats the true reason, then 99% of all of us can't have so much money so we should find other ways to have so many successes in dating and if we improved almost everything we could and still have problems because we aren't tall enough, then LL is the only solution.

As I said before, I'd never like to attract women with my money (and I'm lucky that, even I have an above average income for my country, no woman I was with ever tried to take advantage of it).
I really want to get the girl with my appearance and my way of talking-character and not my money so even if I were rich I'd still consider LL to be above average height.
After all, it is much better to have a woman that totally like your appearance and respect you for your financial success than having a woman that likes your wealth because she feels protected but she fantasizes doing things with a tall ripped handsome man. 

So if you are both rich and tall with a generally good body, you are very very lucky.
But if I have to choose between them, I'd easily take the second. 

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Quote from: Body Builder on February 26, 2017, 10:24:48 PM@ Doim it for me: I'm happy with your many successes with all these women but I can't really understand how you do it taking into consideration that you are asian (and without being racist or anything like that asians aren't the most preferable men for white women), your height is about the same as mine (5.9) and your bodybas you mentioned somewhere else is completely average.
Are your money that play the biggest role for all these successes? Because if thats the true reason, then 99% of all of us can't have so much money so we should find other ways to have so many successes in dating and if we improved almost everything we could and still have problems because we aren't tall enough, then LL is the only solution.

As I said before, I'd never like to attract women with my money (and I'm lucky that, even I have an above average income for my country, no woman I was with ever tried to take advantage of it).
I really want to get the girl with my appearance and my way of talking-character and not my money so even if I were rich I'd still consider LL to be above average height.
After all, it is much better to have a woman that totally like your appearance and respect you for your financial success than having a woman that likes your wealth because she feels protected but she fantasizes doing things with a tall ripped handsome man. 

So if you are both rich and tall with a generally good body, you are very very lucky.
But if I have to choose between them, I'd easily take the second.

The girl will fantasize about other guys anyway if she's the type who does that. How do I put this without sounding offensive... You are superficial, and a lot of mentally mature girls aren't. Don't assume that all girls are superficial and only care about looks.

As for the money thing, it's not the money that they're attracted to. These same girls wouldn't date a guy richer than me if that money was just passed down by their rich parents instead of self-earned. I know because some of the girls I spoke with said that they broke up with those type of guys, because those guys are very possessive and treated them like trophies instead of people.

What they're attracted to is that I'm a provider of fun, luxury, and a lifestyle. By this I mean, I travel a lot and have pics of me having a ton of fun. You could do the same thing as me. I don't pay much for my trips. Each trip is maybe $2000 or so. You could go on a lot of trips and take a lot of lifestyle pics with $50,000 or whatever the cost of LL surgery is nowadays. I can guarantee you that having those lifestyle pics would get better results in the dating profile than simply being taller.

So yes, I may be super rich. But my dating profile doesn't say how much I make or how much I have. Instead it just mentions that I have financial freedom and can afford to do whatever I want in terms of time and money. Then I also mention about how I help out in charities and what not. Girls always quote that part of my dating profile as the part they like the best. I also sprinkle jokes throughout my dating profile so that girls know that I'm funny - even though I stole those jokes from stand-up comics.

And finally during the dates, I talk about how I struggled with being poor, and then became self-made. Everyone likes to hear an underdog story about someone overcoming their bad situations. Girls gobble that crap up. Honestly, I could have only $100,000 to my name, and I'd have the same results. That's because my profile doesn't mention how much I have. It could be $100,000 or it could be $100,000,000. They don't know. All they see is a guy who goes on trips to Hawaii, Bali, and builds homes for homeless people - shoutout to Habitats for Humanity.

You don't know how many girls like the volunteer work pics more than the pics of me with a $1 million car. Girls don't care about the car. They want to know if you're generous and caring. That's because it will show how you will treat them if they were your wife. And girls like to be pampered. Sometimes I think that my expensive car collection puts girls off, because they think I spend too much money.

From what you wrote, it sounds like you and I are attracting different types of girls, though. For example, the girls I date don't go to bars and clubs. They are engineers or entrepreneurs. They're high class. So maybe what I wrote doesn't apply to you, since they're not the same type of girls.

So yea, so what if they fantasize about some tall, handsome dude? I fantasize about banging Rachel Cook. What's the difference? At the end of the day, I don't want to spend the day and night with Rachel Cook. I rather spend it with my long term girlfriend. sxx only lasts for a few minutes. While it's awesome to bang a hot chick, what about all the other hours that you have to spend with her? One of the girl I'm seeing now likes the same movies, TV shows, and video games that I do. And her idea of a great date is laying in bed, cuddling, eating, and playing the new Zelda game. I don't know many girls who would do that. It helps that she's a knock-out blue-eyed, 5'9" blonde girl working on a graduate medical degree, too. But ultimately, it's that her personality matches mine that makes us a great couple. She knows that I'm only 5'9", but she doesn't care. Her last bf was like 6'+ but with "no ambition" as she says. Guess who's she with? Me, not him.

Anyway, having said that, she probably wouldn't have dated me if I were 5'6". So I still recommend LL for girls if you're short and doing it to not get rejected by girls, because frankly, half the girls I'm talking to probably wouldn't have dated me at 5'6". And this blonde, blue-eyed girl happens to be part of that half that would have rejected me, and I would have missed out on the opportunity to date her. So yea, LL is great for that. You got no arguments there from me.

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I agree in most of these Doiniiforme.

But you keep mentioning online profiles and all these. But what about going out and meet new women? In these cases its only you and the women will judge completely from what they see, not from photos of your travels, your way of life, your wealthness or anything else. Just your looks and your character (after you meet their appearance criteria).

So, what you say may be true but only for online dating.
I had many successes with online dating too (not like what you mention with all these model looking girls to be honest but I still met a lot and many times good looking women) but now I care most of real life and to be able to pick uo girls under any circumstances.
And height is much important to this and I see it from my own experience because the once and only thing that many girls say to me about what they'd prefer to be different in my appearance is height. Never ever I have a negative comment about anything else, not maybe because I'm perfect but because girls give so much importance in height while on the other looks they are ok with even an average appearance. And except from height I have for sure a better than average appearance, so it is enough for the majority of girls out there.
But my height, which is the same as yours more or less, unfortunately is not enough for many women out there that even if they date you, they'd still think that you are good but if you were taller you'd be almost perfect.

So imo, we are not superficial that we don't want to be judged and many times rejected for something that we can't change physically. Girls are the shallow ones who give so much importance to something useless in the real life like height.
But that's the harsh truth so you can accept yourself and accept that your chances in dating will be always less because of that or change it and have the same social benefits as naturally tall people.
The choice is completely up to each of us and how we dream our life to be.

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how are you doing now ? do you walk well and go outside and have a normal day ? and did people og somebody from work say anyting ?

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Quote from: Body Builder on February 27, 2017, 10:43:50 AMI agree in most of these Doiniiforme.

But you keep mentioning online profiles and all these. But what about going out and meet new women? In these cases its only you and the women will judge completely from what they see, not from photos of your travels, your way of life, your wealthness or anything else. Just your looks and your character (after you meet their appearance criteria).

So, what you say may be true but only for online dating.
I had many successes with online dating too (not like what you mention with all these model looking girls to be honest but I still met a lot and many times good looking women) but now I care most of real life and to be able to pick uo girls under any circumstances.
And height is much important to this and I see it from my own experience because the once and only thing that many girls say to me about what they'd prefer to be different in my appearance is height. Never ever I have a negative comment about anything else, not maybe because I'm perfect but because girls give so much importance in height while on the other looks they are ok with even an average appearance. And except from height I have for sure a better than average appearance, so it is enough for the majority of girls out there.
But my height, which is the same as yours more or less, unfortunately is not enough for many women out there that even if they date you, they'd still think that you are good but if you were taller you'd be almost perfect.

So imo, we are not superficial that we don't want to be judged and many times rejected for something that we can't change physically. Girls are the shallow ones who give so much importance to something useless in the real life like height.
But that's the harsh truth so you can accept yourself and accept that your chances in dating will be always less because of that or change it and have the same social benefits as naturally tall people.
The choice is completely up to each of us and how we dream our life to be.

I do mostly online dating nowadays. I'd never done online dating before, so I tweaked and tweaked my online profile, showed it to a bunch of strangers for their opinion, until they said it was great. What's great about online dating is that I can talk to three or so girls at the same time, each not aware of each other, and get to know each one at the same time. I usually filter girls quickly based on details they gave (if they have kids, if they're divorced, etc.) and only message the really attractive ones with little visual baggage. If I did the same on the street, then it'd be like a lottery, because you have no idea what you're getting. So online dating is more efficient for me.

If I like what I hear, I quickly move them to meeting me. Usually I ask them to meet with me within the first conversation - which if I really like them, could last for hours. I usually tell them to tell me a secret that they've never told anyone before. This builds trust and a bond between you two. I have my own go-to "secret" that I pretend to tell nobody. But the truth is that I tell that story to every girl on the first date. I won't say on here what that story is, but it's a personal and true story, and it paints me as this caring and heroic guy - like along the lines of a firefighter jumping into a burning building to save a little girl.

Only pro to street pick-up vs online dating, is that you can see right away what you're getting in terms of looks. With online dating, especially if it's only a few online pics of her, then what she looks like in real life might not match her online pics. Sometimes this means that the real girl is prettier or less pretty. I admit that this is a problem, but since I'm mainly looking at 9s and 10s, then even if she's uglier than her online pics, she'd be a 7 or 8.

Street pick-up is actually pretty easy for me too. I drive a very expensive car and dress like I'm worth a million bucks - think GQ at night or something trendy. What's annoying about this, though, is that I get hit on by ghetto/thirsty girls all the time. But just about any girl would be willing to talk to me, because almost every girl admires a guy who's really successful. I admittedly wear 1" insole lifts with shoes that already have a 1" sole, so girls think I'm 5'10" or so. I think 5'10"-5'11" is already a pretty ideal height. Remember that Brad Pitt is only 5'11".

If all the girl says is that she wishes you were taller, then you should think of that as a compliment, because they can't think of anything else wrong with you. Are you like a really muscular guy? Because I imagine that if you have thick muscles, then you would look shorter proportionally. I'm a pretty skinny guy, so I look taller than I actually am. When I ask people how tall they think I am, they usually say 5'11".

And that goes back to what I said about Tom Cruise. I'm not 5'11", but people think I am. That's because I overpower their perception of me due to my personality. Would I rather be 5'11"? Of course. But I don't think the surgery is worth it in my opinion. I can't take another 6-12 months out of my life again. My time is super valuable to me. Plus, I have a bunch of model-looking girls lining up to date me at 5'9", so why bother going to 5'11" when no girl has rejected me at 5'9", expect for maybe one 5'11" girl? Anyway, that's my opinion.