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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 07, 2017, 12:40:12 AMSo thank you for responding to my posts, DIFM.. it has given me a lot to process. I'd like to think I'm fairly level-headed about the whole LL thing. I have the goal of financial independence and have always been a saver, so I actually do have the assets to pay for femurs with Paley in cash. However, the cost is too big a percentage of my current net worth, and I haven't figured out the best way to take a break from my career, so I never got close to pulling the trigger. I know there are definitely some guys on this forum that would spend all their savings to get the surgery, but I'm not one of them. I will be taking an indefinite break from the forum. While I can never close Pandora's Box, maybe I'll reach the point where I'm just okay with being 5'7". If not, I'll be back... hopefully after I have achieved the aforementioned level of financial success and tried out the corresponding dating life.

Best of luck on your bone growth and hopefully taking the rods out will fix your gait!

Yup, that's a very pragmatic response, and I agreed with everything you said. I think you're better off without the surgery, and instead focus making money. Half the girls I've been dating have been at or under 5'7", and they're really great girls, too. So it's not like you're screwed at 5'7".

And yes, I do think that I'm dating some pretty out-of-my-league girls. For example, this 20-year-old Colombian model and I have been talking to each other lately on Instagram, and she has like 100k followers on Instagram. I'm pretty sure that she's not just going to talk to some regular dude. I haven't reached that status where I can talk to the Instagram models who have 1 million+ followers, but I don't think that I'll ever reach there, because I'm not white, nor a male model/athlete/singer. But working on my body is the last step for me to reach the "perfect male" status in my opinion. I think once I get a six-pack, it's pretty much game over. But at the same time, I'm pretty happy with the girls I've been pulling in anyway. So it's not like I'm unhappy with myself until I get a six-pack. I'm not going to trade my height dysphoria with a six-pack dysphoria. I'm pretty happy with life in general right now. I just hope you guys can reach that point, too. And yes, being richer is the key component here, not being taller.

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Your reasoning for not being a millionaire is flawed. Say for example, you are a farmer. Pretend that you can grow 1 million crops and make a million dollars for selling them. But your logic is saying that you don't want to grow a million crops because other people are poor and can't grow a million crops. So instead you grow less. You just denied 1 million meals from being grown. Wouldn't it be more logical and beneficial to society if you were more productive with your time and resources instead of wasting it away on vanity and getting laid by hot girls?

The more logical thing to do is to create a product that helps people. And if you think social inequality is bad, then become rich and then redistribute your wealth so that poor people get more money. Instead, your logic is saying that you won't try because the system is screwed. But how does that help fix the system? Meanwhile, I'm running charities, and putting poor people through college and actually trying to bridge the gap between the poor and the rich.

Anyway, to each their own I guess. I can't tell you how to live your life.

Quote from: Body Builder on March 07, 2017, 01:52:12 AMAnd as I said before, and most of surveys agree with me, height with a built (not necessarily muscular) body is the number one appearance factor for a man.
So I truly believe that a successful LL and a good appearance will bring you much more happiness than being an unattractive or at most average attractive man who have women most of the times due to his money.

Difm I'm not refering to you of course as I don't know you, I hope you don't misumderstand me.

Yes, but surveys also show that while men prefer looks as a main factor for female attractiveness, women prefer a guy's status (social, financial, stability, etc.) as more important than looks. So while you think that girls just want to date guys who are good looking based on your view on what is attractive, it doesn't mean that every girl just cares about a guy's looks. I don't know how old you are. Perhaps you're on the younger side and it's true that teenage girls are pretty superficial and don't care about money until they're older. But I know that the girls I'm dating who are in their 20s tend to care about a guy's status than their looks. And it's true that I'm attracting a lot of gold diggers and insecure girls. But that doesn't mean that I have to date them. I'm also attracting high-quality women, too. And those are the ones who I take out on dates or respond to. There's no downfall for being rich, is what I'm saying.

Anyway, I think we're just attracted to two different types of girls. I'm attracted to girls who care about who I am and what I can provide for them. You're attracted to girls who are attracted to how you look. So, I don't disagree with you. Maybe what you said works better for you and the girls you're trying to attract. I'm chasing after a different type of girl. Doesn't mean that I'm right and you're wrong, and doesn't mean that I'm wrong and you're right. We just have different tastes in women.

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Difm, what matters isn't if I want or not to be rich but that 99,9% of people can't be millionaires even if they really want to (I'm not one of them but even if I were I know that I'll never become a millionaire through hard work).
Maybe in USA where you live people have more chances to become rich but it is the exception.

So it is a little funny and unfair to compare becoming a millionaire (and still short because we are talking about how short men could have better chances with women) to doing LL because the second is much more possible for the majority of men.
And I truly believe that the majority of women could be attracted from an attractive and with a good height man with a good character than a short or generally less than average in attractiveness man with much money and a good character too.

Women, especially in our days, really care for a man's appearance and adding a good character and an average job I think we have a man that most of the women would like for a pair.

Personally, I don't have a good character with most of the women because most of them doesn't worth it. That's what my experience told me and I truly think that women are less capable to have real and deep feelings for their mate than men.
Also, being really attractive make many insecure women to not date you because they want to feel superior in appearance from her men but I don't really care.
I just want to don't be less than average in anything in my appearance and thats why I want another one LL surgery.
And when I get there and become 5.11 with (I hope) the body I have now, then I'd truly believe that the vast majority of women won't reject me for appearance reasons.
And then I'll see if my moderate income plays a role for not having the women I want. I truly believe it won't matter as you don't think that a good appearance for a man matters so much, so we'll see who is the right one.

Btw I am not so young. I am 28 years old. I think we have about the same age.

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But why do you care if one or two girls reject you for your height at 5'9" when there are plenty of high quality girls who would date a guy who's 5'9"? I mean, I'm 5'9", and girls are still dating me. Maybe I got rejected once or twice for my height because the girl was 5'11", but that's rare. Most of the girls were 5'9" and below. I think only 2 girls out of the 100s I spoke to were taller than 5'9". You can only marry one girl anyway, so why are you trying to please every girl when you only need to please just one special girl who likes you at 5'9"? This is where I don't really understand why you think you need to be 5'11" to be happy.

I personally would take the money for surgery and invest it in stocks. My stocks have been doubling in value every 5 years or so. If I put $100k into stocks today, it'd be $200k in 5 years, $400k in 10 years, and about $1 million in less than 25 years. And you said it's impossible to be a millionaire? And that's assuming that you only have 100k and never make anymore money. Realistically, you should keep contributing a portion of your salary to your investments and you could easily become a millionaire by the time you retire.

Also, you don't have to be a millionaire to appear rich to girls. Just having a better than average job is good enough. That OKcupid website said that girls responded better to guys who just make 100k a year or more vs those who make less. In my dating experience, girls like guys who are ambitious and strive for success and provide for the family.

I know you don't see it that way, but I think you're just meeting a different type of girl than I am, that's all.

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Index fund tracking S&P500?

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It has not only to do if you get rejected only for your height at 5.9. It is that our height is not preferable compared to a taller than average man.
That is not the same between a 6ft and a 6.2 ft height men. The second one is more preferable for many women but the first one will be preferable for many women too. So the added height makes no true benefit.
On the other hand, no women would prefer a 5.9 man compared to a 5.11 one, if they are about the same in every other aspect and some women would reject the 5.9 guy only for his height. I used to be ok with that idea, especially when I first got LL and was excited with my new height but now I am not.
I just can't stand to get rejected or just have some kind of drawback for something that I can't change even if I try hard.
And thats why I want another one LL, to have no obvious drawback in my appearance.

And no my friend, I've written it before but I'll write it again, not only the taller girls would reject a man at our height but even the average height ones. I've been with a 5.7 girl when I was 5.65 (before LL) who didn't have any problem with my height and now that I'm 5.9 I've been told many times from 5.4-5.6 girls that I'm on the short side although I'm not short and I would have been ideal if I were 2 inches more.
And some women, although not completely openly, they rejected me for my height and I know it.

So if you are less than average in height, you have a drawback which gets bigger the shorter you are and that hasn't to do with the women's height. All the women prefer taller than average men, not only the tall ones.

And I don't want to please women, I want to have the choice to have the woman I want without any (major at least) physical drawback make me been rejected and lose this opportunity from something that I can't change psysically.
So at the end, I'm doing it to please myself, not women.

Finally, I don't think that we meet necessarily different types of women.
The real difference between us is that I want these women to get attracted to me by my appearance and then my character while you give less significance to your appearance and you try to get these women with your success and your character too of course.
So, we choose different paths to get women and feel good with ourselves.
The good thing for you is that you are completely happy with yourself while I want another LL to feel completely fulfilled and good with me.
But I know that when I get there, I'd feel more successful even I had millions.

Anyway this is your topic and there is no reason to write about me.
I'm glad your LL have gone so good and I hope I'll have so good results too.

Keep strong!

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Quote from: Body Builder on March 08, 2017, 02:31:52 AMIt has not only to do if you get rejected only for your height at 5.9. It is that our height is not preferable compared to a taller than average man.
That is not the same between a 6ft and a 6.2 ft height men. The second one is more preferable for many women but the first one will be preferable for many women too. So the added height makes no true benefit.
On the other hand, no women would prefer a 5.9 man compared to a 5.11 one, if they are about the same in every other aspect and some women would reject the 5.9 guy only for his height. I used to be ok with that idea, especially when I first got LL and was excited with my new height but now I am not.
I just can't stand to get rejected or just have some kind of drawback for something that I can't change even if I try hard.
And thats why I want another one LL, to have no obvious drawback in my appearance.

And no my friend, I've written it before but I'll write it again, not only the taller girls would reject a man at our height but even the average height ones. I've been with a 5.7 girl when I was 5.65 (before LL) who didn't have any problem with my height and now that I'm 5.9 I've been told many times from 5.4-5.6 girls that I'm on the short side although I'm not short and I would have been ideal if I were 2 inches more.
And some women, although not completely openly, they rejected me for my height and I know it.

So if you are less than average in height, you have a drawback which gets bigger the shorter you are and that hasn't to do with the women's height. All the women prefer taller than average men, not only the tall ones.

And I don't want to please women, I want to have the choice to have the woman I want without any (major at least) physical drawback make me been rejected and lose this opportunity from something that I can't change psysically.
So at the end, I'm doing it to please myself, not women.

Finally, I don't think that we meet necessarily different types of women.
The real difference between us is that I want these women to get attracted to me by my appearance and then my character while you give less significance to your appearance and you try to get these women with your success and your character too of course.
So, we choose different paths to get women and feel good with ourselves.
The good thing for you is that you are completely happy with yourself while I want another LL to feel completely fulfilled and good with me.
But I know that when I get there, I'd feel more successful even I had millions.

Anyway this is your topic and there is no reason to write about me.
I'm glad your LL have gone so good and I hope I'll have so good results too.

Keep strong!

First is such BS it makes me laugh.

Second is so contradictory it kills me lol

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Quote from: Alu on March 08, 2017, 05:16:24 AMFirst is such BS it makes me laugh.

Second is so contradictory it kills me lol

This guy is just pure kek

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Alu, if you go out of your room and live the real life you would see that these "bs" is the reality.


Spaceboyfriend, if you disagree with what I'm saying just live your life in peace and stop moaning about your height and that you don't have money for LL.
If height is not important for men go to anold forum and stop being frustrated because you don't have the budget for LL as you mentioned again and again.
Otherwise, stop insulting me, who I did LL and know much more about how important is height and how lifechanging this surgery is, without writing any argument against what I'm saying, and grow up.

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Quote from: Body Builder on March 08, 2017, 07:24:16 AMAlu, if you go out of your room and live the real life you would see that these "bs" is the reality.


Spaceboyfriend, if you disagree with what I'm saying just live your life in peace and stop moaning about your height and that you don't have money for LL.
If height is not important for men go to anold forum and stop being frustrated because you don't have the budget for LL as you mentioned again and again.
Otherwise, stop insulting me, who I did LL and know much more about how important is height and how lifechanging this surgery is, without writing any argument against what I'm saying, and grow up.

And this guy is seriously telling other people to grow up lmao