Quote from: musicmaker on December 26, 2014, 03:58:12 PMYou cynical guy, Hallijah! You should be ashamed for saying things like that!
I'm not cause I didn't say anything bad about monegal, so I didn't touch him, therefore u shouldn't even be bothered had u paid attention to my words
Hi musicmaker
Thanks for your reply! I am actually quite interested in this procedure over bilateral femur or tibs at one time. I think it makes a lot of sense to me to have one leg done while the other leg helps move around, so that it could help minimize the absence time of working or studying. That is very important for me since I can't afford too much time for this. The whole process may take a little longer than one bilateral surgery including recovery. But it should be much faster than two sequential bilateral surgeries, meaning that one surgery for two femurs followed by another surgery for two tibs. There was one arguement about how much height you can gain by one leg with two segments. ForcedP said that 10cm is max while others say it is possible to achieve 12-14cm. I am not aiming like 13-14 cm. 10cm would be fine with me.
Thanks again!
Hi ForcedP
I really respect your concerns and warnings. Those are alos important opinions no matter what they are. However, it is also important to know how to address the same messege, that could make a huge difference in the end.
Cheers,
thank you ghostfish, you sound like a kind person. good luck with your procedure.
and if you do 1 leg, be sure to write a diary. 
also I recommend you read disobedient diary. its the closest diary we have to seeing how soft tissue responds to lengthening both segments.
you might find it interesting.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=119.0
Hi ForcedP
Thanks for your reply. Sure, if I do this surgery, I will write a diary, but it won't be soon, since I am stuck with my current work.
Thanks for your link. I haven't finished it since it has really really a long thread and I have dysrelxia. 
I will do read that all.
Happy New year!
Quote from: Ghostfish on December 26, 2014, 04:16:46 PMHi musicmaker
Thanks for your reply! I am actually quite interested in this procedure over bilateral femur or tibs at one time. I think it makes a lot of sense to me to have one leg done while the other leg helps move around, so that it could help minimize the absence time of working or studying. That is very important for me since I can't afford too much time for this. The whole process may take a little longer than one bilateral surgery including recovery. But it should be much faster than two sequential bilateral surgeries, meaning that one surgery for two femurs followed by another surgery for two tibs. There was one arguement about how much height you can gain by one leg with two segments. ForcedP said that 10cm is max while others say it is possible to achieve 12-14cm. I am not aiming like 13-14 cm. 10cm would be fine with me.
Thanks again!
Hi ForcedP
I really respect your concerns and warnings. Those are alos important opinions no matter what they are. However, it is also important to know how to address the same messege, that could make a huge difference in the end.
Cheers,
Hi
This is why many of us are considering Mongeal . In fact, I have spoken with him several times now in private. As others have said to me, you might want to email the doctor yourself at the hotmail link he provided.
As far as opinions go, everyone is welcomed to theirs . However, there is a difference between giving an opinion and giving the same opinion over and over again 10 times on a thread taking the position of a medical expert without backing any of it up with medical abstracts .
The fellow in question does not agree with the one leg surgery and his hell bent on trolling the whole thread in hopes that others wont either regardless of his lack of proof.
everyone could also say you are trolling tomD.
you are giving the same opinion over and over again. insisting that I am wrong.
anyway the point has been heard so I have no desire to go on about it. but just remember your soft tissue runs up your entire leg and is in the tibia and femur.
if you stretch the femur and tibia you are stretching the same tissue, not 2 separate tissues. you have limiting factors that run through the entire leg.
it would be like someone telling me they are going to break the tibia at 2 points and expect the soft tissue to be able to lengthen twice the amount because there are 2 surgical sites. it is preposterous.
god luck.
Quote from: ForcedPuberty on December 26, 2014, 05:04:25 PMthank you ghostfish, you sound like a kind person. good luck with your procedure.
and if you do 1 leg, be sure to write a diary.
also I recommend you read disobedient diary. its the closest diary we have to seeing how soft tissue responds to lengthening both segments.
you might find it interesting.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=119.0
I am sure glad you 'recommend' he keeps a diary. Without your recommendation who knows what the guy would do?
And your link is to our famous quad patient who did all 4 (6 actually) bones at the same time . With externals to boot. Its not the same as doing 1 leg and then the other a year later.Not even close.
The soft tissue strain Paley discusses are for a patient doing all 4 segments at the same time. Your body cannot keep up with the strain of it. This is why he feels our bodies cannot handle more than 10cm . That is 20cm of lengthening at once.
When we do bi lateral its only 2 segments and therefore doing one leg is also only 2 segments. I am sure 14cm is fine for one leg or bilateral at the same time if 20cm is fine doing all 4segments at the same time.
I assume you have no evidence that doing 1 leg at a time is overwhelmingly poor compared to bi lateral or you would have put it up by now. I 'recommend' you put your ego down and let it go.
Quote from: ForcedPuberty on December 26, 2014, 07:04:01 PMeveryone could also say you are trolling tomD.
you are giving the same opinion over and over again. insisting that I am wrong.
anyway the point has been heard so I have no desire to go on about it. but just remember your soft tissue runs up your entire leg and is in the tibia and femur.
if you stretch the femur and tibia you are stretching the same tissue, not 2 separate tissues. you have limiting factors that run through the entire leg.
it would be like someone telling me they are going to break the tibia at 2 points and expect the soft tissue to be able to lengthen twice the amount because there are 2 surgical sites. it is preposterous.
god luck.
Yeah. Except nobody has. In fact I have had the doctor thank me in private.
On the other hand, several people have told you that you are trolling ..........including the DOCTOR who this thread is named off of. But why should a delusional guy like you care about something as concrete and obvious as that ?
You gave your layman opinion on it. Let it go.Let us who are interested in this procedure carry on with the thread. Feel free not to have the procedure.
You have no right to tell others what to do or hijack a doctors thread.
Thank you in advance.
QuoteI am sure glad you 'recommend' he keeps a diary. Without your recommendation who knows what the guy would do?
now your just acting weird. its a common statement. your paranoid acting like there's some sinister nature to it.
Quote you are trolling ..........including the DOCTOR who this thread is named off of
sarin also said 6 people are trolling him. doctors will always say this to discredit anyone who doesn't worship the white coat they wear as gods.
a troll is someone who is not sincere. obviously the doctor does not understand the definition to troll. not my problem.
there has never been single study to prove that lengthening the entire leg at a single time is safer, effective and faster or better in any way shape or form. you keep asking me for sources yet YOU HAVE NONE YOURSELF. you have no proof of your claims. your just some guy who sided with a random doctor in a white coat with no studies to back you up or the doctor.
SECOND ISSUE
the link to disobedient was not meant to represent this Spanish doctors surgical technique, you just randomly said that I was saying it was.
I said it would be interesting to read, as it demon straights what happens to soft tissue when you lengthen to fast. you get massive ballerina. I never said this proves or shows anything in relation to the Spanish doctor. in fact I said it is the closest diary we have to his procedure and would be only of value for interest sake. stop saying I said things that I never said.
listen here you imbecile I have studied ligaments, tendons, soft tissue, biomechanics, physiological and anatomical sciences and a hell of a lot of other things at university level, these subjects which are over a dozen cross and are accredited for the medicine degree. I know a load more about the body then you ever will.
and quadrilateral and single leg make no difference, because soft tissue on 1 leg does not affect the soft tissue on the other leg. you have no idea what your talking about because you are the laymen not me. I am actually accredited to comment on these issues. because I have a tertiary education in this.
I don't know the correct answer and it's a good question for Dr. Monegal to give his expert opinion. It would be best to ask him directly about it if you are seriously interested in this. With my total goal being 9 cm, 4.5 cm + 4.5 cm, I would be the perfect candidate for this one whole leg at once method..
Then, because of my age I might have the benefit to lengthen at a much slower rate and not over tax the soft tissues.
The experimental "double cut" method everyone raved about ended up being a very bad idea except for one guy, but I believe he only lengthened 6 cm and he might have lengthened at a slow rate, not sure. You could always choose to lengthen super slow, but then you risk being sent back to the OR to rebreak the bone because you consolodated from the slow lengthening rate.
PS - It is not going to do any good for those interested in this to make one another out to be a troll because two people are in disagreement. FP is much more credible than his previous statements on embolism risk and being wheelchair bound, which I did not agree on. It's probably the reason Dr. Monegal responded negatively towards him.
Tom, being that you are in your 40's, it's possible lengthening over 10 cm and doing at slower a rate will work out for you great. You won't have a very high risk of preconsolidation as a younger person would. Did Dr. Monegal in your PM communications give his expert opinion on the matter?
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