Quote from: Body Builder on December 06, 2022, 07:52:18 PMA really successful LL surgeon needs many years and hundreds of successful surgeries to be consider as top and charge as much as Betz did who was the most expensive european LL surgeon together with Guichet.
If you believe that a new doctor that is just his apprentice can charge that much and is a better option than a surgeon like Giotikas who has many successful cases and charges much less, then I terribly disagree.
And you mention about what Becker did post op. But for a good LL result more than 80% is the surgery itself and then some relatively slow rate of lengthening together with sensible amounts of lengthening.
So post op it doesn't matter that much how knowledgeable a doctor is if he is not enough experienced and capable to do a completely successful surgery.
And I don't believe that Becker , who is mentioned here that previously was a cosmetic doctor for hair transplants, is more experienced than Giotikas who was a trauma surgeon before doing mainly LL.
And even Betz wasn't as good in the end. No sensible doctor let people lengthen 10+cm as he did.
And after all we are here to write our opinions. Its ok to disagree but its not ok to tell me that I am writing bs. Because I always support my opinion with arguments something that you didn't do, at least on this topic.
Again who told you he is an apprentice?
Absolutely definitely do not agree with 80% being the surgery itself. Even Paley said in his latest cyborg4life interview quote “most surgeons can install an internal nail- it’s not that difficult. But a good LL doctor knows the process and what to watch an eye out for […]”
Why is that? Considering how long this takes and how much you need to actively train. Everyone I met got the nail in perfectly. The outcomes however varied drastically by one factor: how much the person stretched/trained. I would say 30% is the surgery and 70% is patients compliance. This is why in the US they don‘t let you go home in my opinion. They are afraid of lawsuits so they keep you there and do 7 times a week PT where they force you to train/stretch and if you don‘t go they have it on paper. (Ofc this also is better to have a more consistent outcome in patients, for sure. The downside is the increased price).
Where did I not support my stance with arguments? I literally wrote why I disagree.
And again, I couldn’t disagree more.
Also I don’t see why Betz should be “a bad Dr in the end”, how did you come up with that? You probably read one diary of taller90 who did 11cm (and recovered well).
It’s like me saying: oh yea I heard Giotikas took 7h for femur surgery on one patient. He must be awful. There was a death case: He must be bad at the end. Oh someone got nerve problems, he must be not that good. Oh and remember that Paley patient who’s femur broke in the middle of the day post lengthening? Must be a terrible doctor to allow him to walk lol. (Echo chamber thoughts like these were why I quit this forum back then).
No, i dont think that way. I think Giotikas is a great option for European doctors. And I also think the death case was the patients fault, bc skipping prescribed medication =noncompliance (and also the reason why you should know the process in and out before you do it in my eyes).