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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 6:05 am
#21
No more
he is doing LL surgery now, taking over Dr.Betz from 2023 onwards.
Dr.Betz is retired by end of this year
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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 6:24 am
#22
Where will Betz institute exactly be located from 2023? And which hospital will they conduct surgeries?

I can't find info any about Dr. Becker online as an orthopedic surgeon online apart from Betz website. Would be reassuring if he does general orthopedic surgery as well.
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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 7:09 am
#23
For me it is not a good idea to give so much money for doing LL with a doctor that is just the apprentice of Betz and his previously field was hair transplant.
If he had very reduced prices then maybe the risk would worth it but paying for a ferrari to have some car from a new company that some ferrari mechanics made the plans seems not wise for me.

There are plenty very experienced doctors in Europe like Giotikas who cost less than some inexperienced German doctor. So I can't find any reason to choose him over them.
Maybe in 5+ years he would be a good idea if he had a successful record of surgeries but now, without Betz (from the new year) I would have never bet my money on him.
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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 12:10 pm
#24
Quote from: Body Builder on December 06, 2022, 07:09:03 AMFor me it is not a good idea to give so much money for doing LL with a doctor that is just the apprentice of Betz and his previously field was hair transplant.
If he had very reduced prices then maybe the risk would worth it but paying for a ferrari to have some car from a new company that some ferrari mechanics made the plans seems not wise for me.

There are plenty very experienced doctors in Europe like Giotikas who cost less than some inexperienced German doctor. So I can't find any reason to choose him over them.
Maybe in 5+ years he would be a good idea if he had a successful record of surgeries but now, without Betz (from the new year) I would have never bet my money on him.

Bs

You return to the forum after some time  like me and immediately go on and judge.
He is a specialized orthopedic surgeon and did it for quite some time. He is not doing anything but LL anymore and I was very surprised how knowledgeable he was. Eg Dr Betz only assisted them in the surgery room and after that I never saw him again.
I do understand concerns about when Dr Betz retires and only one surgeon does the surgery. But let me tell you for literally everything post OP Dr Becker was amazing.

I don‘t like promoting anyone I think people should go wherever they want and I am sure there are plenty of great options but me personally, very glad I chose them.
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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 12:27 pm
#25
Also one thing that I want to add is that Becker seems to more conservative and strict than Dr Betz was. Me and other patients definitely got the feeling that Dr Betz saw this process very biased, as if everything is easy and you can do crazy things quickly again like driving etc (impossible to drive under heavy medication). Also Dr Betz allowed people to go home after 2 weeks but now Dr Becker changes it to a longer required stay at the rehab there. Which means the price will unfortunately be more soon.
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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 5:56 pm
#26
Quote from: RealLostSoul on December 06, 2022, 12:27:52 PMAlso one thing that I want to add is that Becker seems to more conservative and strict than Dr Betz was. Me and other patients definitely got the feeling that Dr Betz saw this process very biased, as if everything is easy and you can do crazy things quickly again like driving etc (impossible to drive under heavy medication). Also Dr Betz allowed people to go home after 2 weeks but now Dr Becker changes it to a longer required stay at the rehab there. Which means the price will unfortunately be more soon.

How long will that be at the rehab place?
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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 7:52 pm
#27
Quote from: RealLostSoul on December 06, 2022, 12:10:48 PMBs

You return to the forum after some time  like me and immediately go on and judge.
He is a specialized orthopedic surgeon and did it for quite some time. He is not doing anything but LL anymore and I was very surprised how knowledgeable he was. Eg Dr Betz only assisted them in the surgery room and after that I never saw him again.
I do understand concerns about when Dr Betz retires and only one surgeon does the surgery. But let me tell you for literally everything post OP Dr Becker was amazing.

I don‘t like promoting anyone I think people should go wherever they want and I am sure there are plenty of great options but me personally, very glad I chose them.
A really successful LL surgeon needs many years and hundreds of successful surgeries to be consider as top and charge as much as Betz did who was the most expensive european LL surgeon together with Guichet.
If you believe that a new doctor that is just his apprentice can charge that much and is a better option than a surgeon like Giotikas who has many successful cases and charges much less, then I terribly disagree.
And you mention about what Becker did post op. But for a good LL result more than 80% is the surgery itself and then some relatively slow rate of lengthening together with sensible amounts of lengthening.

So post op it doesn't matter that much how knowledgeable a doctor is if he is not enough experienced and capable to do a completely successful surgery.
And I don't believe that Becker , who is mentioned here that previously was a cosmetic doctor for hair transplants, is more experienced than Giotikas who was a trauma surgeon before doing mainly LL.
And even Betz wasn't as good in the end. No sensible doctor let people lengthen 10+cm as he did.

And after all we are here to write our opinions. Its ok to disagree but its not ok to tell me that I am writing bs. Because I always support my opinion with arguments something that you didn't do, at least on this topic.
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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 9:22 pm
#28
I’m here to vouch for Dr. Becker and confirm even with “only” a few years of doing LL surgery, he is for sure, in my opinion - a top doctor and would consider him one of the best based on my personal experience.

My thread:
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=73542.0

I spent 3 years researching and interviewing almost all the doctors here in the US, and while I have the utmost respect for all of them… I still decided to fly to Germany and get this surgery with Becker.

I would suggest giving him a better chance and also following the instagram account I made specifically for documenting my journey so far. Going for 10cm on tibias.

My IG:
https://instagram.com/maxheight35

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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 9:56 pm
#29
Quote from: Body Builder on December 06, 2022, 07:52:18 PMA really successful LL surgeon needs many years and hundreds of successful surgeries to be consider as top and charge as much as Betz did who was the most expensive european LL surgeon together with Guichet.
If you believe that a new doctor that is just his apprentice can charge that much and is a better option than a surgeon like Giotikas who has many successful cases and charges much less, then I terribly disagree.
And you mention about what Becker did post op. But for a good LL result more than 80% is the surgery itself and then some relatively slow rate of lengthening together with sensible amounts of lengthening.

So post op it doesn't matter that much how knowledgeable a doctor is if he is not enough experienced and capable to do a completely successful surgery.
And I don't believe that Becker , who is mentioned here that previously was a cosmetic doctor for hair transplants, is more experienced than Giotikas who was a trauma surgeon before doing mainly LL.
And even Betz wasn't as good in the end. No sensible doctor let people lengthen 10+cm as he did.

And after all we are here to write our opinions. Its ok to disagree but its not ok to tell me that I am writing bs. Because I always support my opinion with arguments something that you didn't do, at least on this topic.

You are right the key for success is the surgery and of course everyone should/may have his own opinion underpinned by a factbased argumentation. Therefore, please do your homework and a proper research because Dr. Becker is a plastic surgeon AND qualified orthopadic trauma surgeon as well… 

So, it is correct that he has „less“ LL experience than Giotikas but he has for sure enough to be a valid option as LL surgeon. He has learned from Dr. Betz who is together with Paley the best doc - who else can show this on his record? Make your own opinion whats better for you but again pls stay at the facts.



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Posted on Dec 6, 2022, 11:40 pm
#30
Quote from: Body Builder on December 06, 2022, 07:52:18 PMA really successful LL surgeon needs many years and hundreds of successful surgeries to be consider as top and charge as much as Betz did who was the most expensive european LL surgeon together with Guichet.
If you believe that a new doctor that is just his apprentice can charge that much and is a better option than a surgeon like Giotikas who has many successful cases and charges much less, then I terribly disagree.
And you mention about what Becker did post op. But for a good LL result more than 80% is the surgery itself and then some relatively slow rate of lengthening together with sensible amounts of lengthening.

So post op it doesn't matter that much how knowledgeable a doctor is if he is not enough experienced and capable to do a completely successful surgery.
And I don't believe that Becker , who is mentioned here that previously was a cosmetic doctor for hair transplants, is more experienced than Giotikas who was a trauma surgeon before doing mainly LL.
And even Betz wasn't as good in the end. No sensible doctor let people lengthen 10+cm as he did.

And after all we are here to write our opinions. Its ok to disagree but its not ok to tell me that I am writing bs. Because I always support my opinion with arguments something that you didn't do, at least on this topic.

Again who told you he is an apprentice?

Absolutely definitely do not agree with 80% being the surgery itself. Even Paley said in his latest cyborg4life interview quote “most surgeons can install an internal nail- it’s not that difficult. But a good LL doctor knows the process and what to watch an eye out for […]”
Why is that? Considering how long this takes and how much you need to actively train. Everyone I met got the nail in perfectly. The outcomes however varied drastically by one factor: how much the person stretched/trained. I would say 30% is the surgery and 70% is patients compliance. This is why in the US they don‘t let you go home in my opinion. They are afraid of lawsuits so they keep you there and do 7 times a week PT where they force you to train/stretch and if you don‘t go they have it on paper. (Ofc this also is better to have a more consistent outcome in patients, for sure. The downside is the increased price).

Where did I not support my stance with arguments? I literally wrote why I disagree.
And again, I couldn’t disagree more.

Also I don’t see why Betz should be “a bad Dr in the end”, how did you come up with that? You probably read one diary of taller90 who did 11cm (and recovered well).
It’s like me saying: oh yea I heard Giotikas took 7h for femur surgery on one patient. He must be awful. There was a death case: He must be bad at the end. Oh someone got nerve problems, he must be not that good. Oh and remember that Paley patient who’s femur broke in the middle of the day post lengthening? Must be a terrible doctor to allow him to walk lol.  (Echo chamber thoughts like these were why I quit this forum back then).


No, i dont think that way. I think Giotikas is a great option for European doctors. And I also think the death case was the patients fault, bc skipping prescribed medication =noncompliance (and also the reason why you should know the process in and out before you do it in my eyes).
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