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Posted on Jul 1, 2015, 7:52 pm
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Doctor information and response from Dr Leonid N. Solomin, located in St. Petersburg, Russia.
Note: Previous Thread Linked Here http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=844.0
Dr Leonid N. Solomin (St. Petersburg, Russia) 2015 Update


Before we begin to discuss your questions, I ask you kindly to take note of the following.

You should be ready for some inconvenience:
- Our Institute does not provide an official invitation and other visa support. You need to get a tourist visa by yourself. Most we can do: at personal consultation give you an advisory opinion (in Russian!) that you need in the operation and indicate the expected period of stay in Russia.
- The language barrier. Most of the Russian population does not speak English. This applies to the staff of our institute, including administrator and coordinator. All documentation - in Russian.
- The Institute does not have transfer possibilities: from and to the airport, etc.
- The Institute has no hotel.
- Usually Institute cannot provide prolonged stay (because of the large number of patients). Maximum 2-3 weeks. If a longer period is required, it must be booked in advance (without the certainty of a positive decision).
- It would be better to be close to the Institute for whole period lengthening or correction of the deformity. If you cannot extend the period of hospitalization, you should book a hotel or rent an apartment.

Preliminary consultation in outpatient department of our Institute is obligatory! On the basis of this preliminary meeting, we will make a decision about the possibility and expedience of your hospitalization.

Believe me, please - the amount of your questions will be increased after each of my answers. Therefore, after the first three answers I always insist on in-person consultation.

I ask you to kindly understand that our Institute is a federal government organization. First and foremost, we must treat the citizens of Russia. The Institute has a big queue (up to 2-4 months) for hospitalization. Theforefore, I recommend you to order a turn ASAP. To do this, you should tell me about your wish. Within three days I'll let you know the date of your hospitalization. You'll have to come for a consultation 3-5 days before. I work in the outpatient department of our Institute every Wednesday 16.00 - 17.30. If together we will make a decision for surgery, you go to the department in date. If you do not accept the decision, you return home; no penalties for refusing hospitalization.

1) What is the recommended amount to lengthen?
-  On average, 3-6 cm for femur and lower leg: depends on the initial extremity length: the longer the initial length, the greater the elongation possible. The optimal elongation is 18-20% of the initial segment length over one stage, which corresponds to 6-7 cm for the lower leg in an individual of height 175 cm.

Unfortunately the more initial length of bone is, the more lengthening can be done. Excessive elongation of the lower legs make the person look like a heron, excessive increase in the length of the lower extremities, even though the segments are in proportion, results in a "short-armed" appearance. Disregard of these considerations leads to unsatisfactory results.

2) What is the total price and LL methods you can perform?
- We can provide Conventional Ilizarov, LON and LATN as well. Possibility of femoral LON and LATN first of all depends on initial mechanical axis deviation.

Cost: Conventional Ilizarov both lower legs (OR femurs) + 3 weeks in the hospital = ~$3-5,000.  LON, LATN ~$3-8,000.

If larger lengthening is necessary we use cross-elongation.

Sequential cross-elongation of femurs and lower legs:
1st step: right femur + left lower leg
2nd step: left femur + right lower leg
Cost for each step: Femur and lower leg frame applying + osteotomy + 30 days in four-six bed ward = ~$3-9,000.

Between the steps you should completely restore your gait. It takes usually 3-5 months.

Note: These prices are very provisional, because depends on many parameters. Details can be discussed at personal meeting only. Treatment of any possible complications is not included in this account.

Really you can leave the hospital in 10-14 days after the operation (even in 3-5 days). Then all further care can be given to you in your town hospital.

3) What is the recovery time?
~ 4 months - >12 months  - depends on many parameters.

Best Regards,
Prof. Leonid Solomin

Brief Profile (From Website):
1986: Graduated from Blagoveschensky State Medical University
1986-1991: Post-graduate education, specialization in traumatology and orthopaedics
1991-1993: Assisstant of Chair of Traumatology and Orthopedics of Blagoveschensky State Medical University
1993-1995: External Fixation Laboratory Researcher at Irkutsky Research Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedics
1995-1998: Head of Department of Traumatology and Orthopedics at Irkutsky Region Hospital
1996: Doctor of Science
1998-2000: Head of Department of External Fixation at Irkutsky Research Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedics
2008: Full professor of orthopedic surgery
2000-Present: Head of External Fixation Department at R.R. Vreden Russian Research Institute of Traumatology and Orthopaedics (Saint. Petersburg, Russia)

Author of over 350 articles and abstracts, 4 monographs, 46 patents of Russia.

His main field of work is devoted to development, perfection, substantiation and clinical application of external fixation in fractures, non-unions, deformations, defects of long bones, foot and pelvis including congenital and infection problems.

Contact Information:
Leonid N. Solomin, MD, PhD
Professor of Orthopaedic Surgery
Head of ExFix Department
R.R. Vreden Russian Research Institute of Traumatology and Orthopedics
8 Baykova Str., St. Petersburg, 195427, Russia
Phone: +7 (812) 670-8743 / 670-9596
Mobile: +7 (904) 519-3989
Website: http://www.rniito.org/solomin_eng/index.html
E-mail: [email protected]
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Posted on Jul 1, 2015, 10:04 pm
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Usually after emailing him, he refers you to Dr. kuresh, i will repost the information that i got from him.

The MEDEM Clinic website is here    http://medem.ru/en/
Everyone speaks English there and facilities are much higher than standard, it will include single bed ward.
The clinic has good relations with consulate of Britain, for an additional fee they can issue the invitation letter.
Dr. Kulesh will show you the shop to buy the wheelchair from before your operation.
They can put various size of rings on your legs, so they can be thin/small.
You can discuss with the anaesthesiologist about general anaesthesia options.
2-3 weeks after operation patients leave the clinic in a wheel-chair, they rent an apartment near the Institute called Vreden.
You will choose apartment before operation, there you can specify what you want.
While in the apartment you will get a PT trainer; he speaks English to an okay level, he does PT with you 3-4 times per week, the housemaid comes every other day, she cooks and brings food.
Bandages are also changed in the apartment twice a week.
You are better to use a local bank to get Ruble or Euros out.
During apartment you can call Dr. Kuresh with pay per phone if there is an emergency.
For the removal of device, this can be done at MEDEM or Elizabeth, prices will be given soon.
To summarize, the cost of everything.
Pay via UK bank card
Surgery medem clinc:    ₽350,000.00/£4000
Removal of device   ₽40,000.00/£400   much later on
Pay with Russian Ruble cash or Euro where specified
Rent:                        ₽90,000.00/£1000    for 3 month stay
Realtor help:             ₽20,000.00/£235
Maid:                         €1050/£700       for 3 months of cook meals etc.
Bandage changing      ₽500/£144      £6 per session, twice a week, so £12 a week.
Trainer                      ₽900/£450      £10 per session, happens 3-4 times a week, so £40 a week.

hope this helps,  it seems like a good place but sadly there is only 1 diary and very little is known about this doctor, so he may end up beign like dr. sarin or something you never know, i am suspicious of the incredibly cheap prices though, i have never seen LL as cheap as this.
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Posted on Jul 16, 2015, 7:07 pm
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I was PM ing another user about the day to day costs of the op with Dr Solomin vs Dr Barinov.
This has been edited and there are many spelling errors on my part

I am only explaining the day to day to day costs while living in russia with frames during distraction and nails during consolidation. I do not know current prices for surgery at the Clinics, visa costs, nail costs , consultation costs and such.


Here it is he initially asked me:


 I calculated the total expense of undergoing primary surgery in MEDEM and then adding the rods in Saint Elisabeth Hospital. In the end, with PT everyday included, LATN in Saint Petersburg ends up being more expensive than LATN in Volgograd -- even if there aren't any complications that would require additional funds (which they cover for free in Volgograd).

Below is my estimate of 6 months stay in either place:

VOLGOGRAD
(EUROS)

EXTERNAL SURGERY 12,500
LATN 2,500
5 MONTH STAY - 5,000
-----------------------------
20,000

SAINT PETERSBURG
(EUROS)

EXTERNAL SURGERY (MEDEM) 5,644
LATN (SEH) 3,788
HOSPITAL STAY (2 WEEKS) 1917
TRAINING (2 WEEKS) 677
ACCOMODATION 2,500
FOOD (HOUSEMAID) 1,750
TRAINING 2,175
BANDAGES: 644
CHECKUP: 805
VISA INVITATION: 290
----------------------
20190

Do you think this is pretty accurate?
Mind you, Volgograd will hike their prices up an additional 2,000 Euro from October.


To which I responded:


ACCOMODATION 2,500
FOOD (HOUSEMAID) 1,750
TRAINING 2,175
BANDAGES: 644
CHECKUP: 805

I Assume this is the total for 5 months.if so then

Accomodation. Budget an extra 50 to 100 eur for utilities per month. May need it may not
I pay 27k rubles per month for apartment and utilities.


food. This is correct  (about 14000 rubles per month

training. 600 rubles a day. I use her everyday and that is 320 usd per month. In five months it would be about 1600 usd which is far cheaper than you predicted. That is if you use her every day for the duration of your stay. Due to scheduling, she cant come everyday and I thi k over doing it on my training may have contributed to my complication. In addition to that, during consolidation i will cut back on my time with her drastically. Maybe 2 or 3 times per week. So consider using her alot during distraction only. After thant you will know how to excersicise by yourself, your limits and legs will be stronger so you wont need trainer to guide you.

Bandages. Im not exactly sure how much but during complication (3 weeks) they were abiut  10 to 15 usd per day.
Without complication. Bandage change 2 times per week during distraction at a cost of maybe 10$ per time.

Checkup. During distraction you get a xray every 10-14 days. Cost 1500 rubles plus 500 rubles taxi from apartment. During consolidation every month . Cost same but maybe minus transportation because your more experienced and know the area better.

Budget extra time and money for complication. In my case i have to stay in Russia 1 more month than originally planned because delay distraction. Also spending money on these bandages and medications daily during complication put a not major but still significant dent in my account.

Also depending on type of complication you may need extra stuff. In my case i needed ultrasound 1000 rubles  every week and aspiration in my leg in surgery room 3 times  (1500 rubles). As you can ssee these examinatikns, medications and small "operations" are not expensive individually but they may be frequent if you have a complocatiion.

Almost 700 euros for 2 weeks training is alot. If anything ask for 600 ruble a day trainer. Maybe Medem clinic has better state of the art trainjng but this trainer that I used got the job done.

I told you I satyed an extra 2 weeks in hospital becuase I was scared to live by myself. I now regret spending that money knowing what I know now. About 1100 usd for 2 wèeks at st elizabeth. As long as you can make your way to the bathroom (in my case with 2 chairs and skilping my ass over them while advancing the chairs to the bathroom little by little) thats all you need. That money could have go e to 2 months rent instead of 2 weeks.
Kulesh should stop by and help you and youll get his number, food lady will stop by with cooked food and hire trainer to come every day if your worried about dying and yiur body not being found for a week..
hospital stay at st elizabeth clinic: 4000 rubles a day
hospital stay at MEDEM: more than 4000 rubles a day.

Is LON not an option for you? You basically get 1 huge surgery forst where they do all the major stuff and the frame removal surgery later you wont even need to be hospitalized saving you money on that and your only paying alightly more on 1 surgery.

I know  volgograd 12500 includes 3 months stay but even if you subtract 500 x 3 months your left with 11000 just for externals. The nail prices seem about right.
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Posted on Jul 20, 2015, 10:19 pm
#4
Great info. Thanks for the update.
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Posted on Jul 21, 2015, 8:21 pm
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from prof Solomun:
We can provide Conventional Ilizarov, LON and LATN as well. Possibility of femoral LON and LATN first of all depend on initial mechanical axis deviation.
The optimal elongation is 10–15% of the initial segment length over one stage, which corresponds to 4–7 cm for the lower leg in an individual of height 175 cm.

dr kulesh
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Posted on Jul 21, 2015, 10:51 pm
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No visa invitation and support! That is real bull ! When you had a traumatic operation and you do not speak any russian. Then the say: Go and get your stay in Russia extended. You dont speak russian? We dont care! You can not walk? We dont give a fk...

This clinic should be banned from getting international patients!

Will the doctors help you? No, they dont give a  !

What kind of place is that??? Get some fking visa support and someone to translate in English or just dont offer it for international patients.

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Posted on Jul 21, 2015, 11:23 pm
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Quote from: jfk on July 21, 2015, 10:51:31 PMNo visa invitation and support! That is real bullcrap! When you had a traumatic operation and you do not speak any russian. Then the say: Go and get your stay in Russia extended. You dont speak russian? We dont care! You can not walk? We dont give a fk...

This clinic should be banned from getting international patients!

Will the doctors help you? No, they dont give a crap!

What kind of place is that??? Get some fking visa support and someone to translate in English or just dont offer it for international patients.



Visa invitation and support - additional cost
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Posted on Jul 22, 2015, 4:07 pm
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Quote from: tx1111 on July 21, 2015, 11:23:35 PMVisa invitation and support - additional cost

Not for the other hospital.
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Posted on Jul 22, 2015, 4:24 pm
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Quote from: jfk on July 22, 2015, 04:07:30 PMNot for the other hospital.
As far as I know, there are 3 international patients currently lengthening and all of them choose Elizabeth's hospital, as it's much cheaper. Just ask the doctor I'm sure they know how to help you with it.
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Posted on Jul 22, 2015, 4:50 pm
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Also, regaring the language barrier. I'll help you. You won't be talking much really. You just need to learn or save a few phrases.

"bolit, daite obezbol pozhalusta" - hurts, please I need painkiller injection.
"hochu srat, pozhalusta vedro" - I need to crap, please bring me crapbucket

That should be it. I doubt you'll be discussing Dostoevsky with them.

Or you could be even cooler and avantgarde. Open this text-to-speech application http://www.oddcast.com/home/demos/tts/tts_example.php and paste the following:
пожалуйста, не могли бы вы обезболить? сильно болит - please, I need a painkiller injection, it hurt really bad

мне нужно по большому, а ходить не могу. Не могли бы вы помочь? - I need to poop, but I can't walk. Couldn't you help?

Yea, ain't that cool?
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