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Quote from: Uppland on March 19, 2015, 02:50:41 AMI will do LL to better fit who I want to be. I want to be a mature, successful and, yes, tall man. At 178CM I feel more like a teenager than an adult unfortunately.

Well that's silly because I am a teenager but that's how I feel about it, and that feeling isn't going away it seems -no matter what I do.

Maybe you'll feel differently in a few years. No ones perfect, man. I understand, I still want to be taller. I'm also older. There comes a point where we have to try to be happy with what we have. Life's too short to spend on trying to fix every flaw we have. That's part of why a second LL is unlikely for me.
But of course, its all up to how you feel about yourself. You already sound like you're ahead of most men.

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Quote from: hadrian on March 19, 2015, 02:49:16 AMI understand completely about the height part. I was actually fairly tall in elementary and....

At least the promised land (190+) is more or less within your reach, I will never be that tall, still I'd be satisfied with 186CM that is, in my opinion, a respetable height.

I would like to be tall, but what I really want is to measure up to the other adults. Most of them are between 183-190CM.

Quote from: YellowSpike on March 19, 2015, 02:54:26 AMMaybe you'll feel differently in a few years.

Maybe, but I won't spend the flower of my youth without, at the very least, a plan of action.

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Quote from: YellowSpike on March 19, 2015, 02:46:53 AMI kinda took Uppland the same. Seems like a cool and smooth dude. If I ever go to Sweden, he's
gonna find me a sexy blonde. And my celeb crush is also,Katy Perry.

If you used to do well with girls, why do you want LL? Granted I did well with girls too, but my height was to the point that I had to deal with the occasional height diss. I can't imagine you are at your height. As much as we love you on the forum, maybe you should leave. I say this only because you're not short and you seem like you don't need LL in real life.

What is the definition of short? Is a 5'5" man short in Peru where the average male's height is 5'4 1⁄2"? I could make the same claim that you shouldnt be here because of the huge countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, India, Peru, etc where you would be average or even above. But that would be stupid, because i'm not ignorant enough to apply the standards of a different country upon the one that matters to you, IE the country you reside in. Uppland lives in a tall country and rightfully feels short. Why is his plight any less serious than your own?

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Don't be like that Hadrian, I'm the first to recognize how silly my "plight" is and I've got all the more respect for shorter guys because of it.

Not that I judge you or anyone else that want the surgery but you should realize that you're slightly crazy -ironically that's the only way to know you're still sane.

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Quote from: hadrian on March 19, 2015, 03:08:07 AMWhat is the definition of short? Is a 5'5" man short in Peru where the average male's height is 5'4 1⁄2"? I could make the same claim that you shouldnt be here because of the huge countries like the Philippines, Vietnam, India, Peru, etc where you would be average or even above. But that would be stupid, because i'm not ignorant enough to apply the standards of a different country upon the one that matters to you, IE the country you reside in. Uppland lives in a tall country and rightfully feels short. Why is his plight any less serious than your own?

I didn't say his plight was less important, nor did I mean to imply it if I did. His height would be average in most other countries, and he seems to be doing well in most other areas of his life. And I think (I could be wrong) the world average is 5'7". I'm American and live in a major city, a melting pot, if you will. He would NOT be considered short here.

But if getting LL will help him then I'm all for it. I was just suggesting that he may feel differently in a few years.

And Hadrian, you're 183, right? If so....while you may not be as tall as you'd like to be, you aren't short by any standards. But some people are never satisfied with what they have. You may just want a certain height, and that's fine, but at your height, I can't imagine you're facing any discrimination.

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Quote from: Uppland on March 19, 2015, 03:19:55 AMDon't be like that Hadrian, I'm the first to recognize how silly my "plight" is and I've got all the more respect for shorter guys because of it.

Not that I judge you or anyone else that want the surgery but you should realize that you're slightly crazy -ironically that's the only way to know you're still sane.

Don't feel the need to lay easy on me just because i'm a fan Uppland. If you disagree with what I say i'm happy to hear you say it.

There is no reason to cowtow to others who disregard the plight of others. All you can do is meet them halfway, and if they are unable to do the same to you, you shouldnt pick up their slack for them. If people continue to belittle, deride, and try to exclude those of taller starting heights on this site, all they deserve is a healthy dose of logic in return.

In a hypothetical situation where there was a country with an average height of 6'5", I wouldnt lambast a 6'3" resident of that country for wanting to leg lengthen, just because I am jealous of his starting height. Though I would never criticize anyone for wanting to LL because I'm not in their shoes, It would be more logical to lambast a 5'5" male in the philippines for wanting to leg lengthen, because he is already average.

Quote from: YellowSpike on March 19, 2015, 03:20:41 AMI didn't say his plight was less important, nor did I mean to imply it if I did. His height would be average in most other countries, and he seems to be doing well in most other areas of his life. And I think (I could be wrong) the world average is 5'7". I'm American and live in a major city, a melting pot, if you will. He would NOT be considered short here.

Then what were you trying to imply? Because you seem to imply the exact same thing in multiple posts of yours, you're in fact one of the biggest height discriminators on this site. And why do height standards in your area carry any more weight to his situation than a Peruvian male's does to yours?



Quote from: YellowSpike on March 19, 2015, 03:20:41 AM


And Hadrian, you're 183, right? If so....while you may not be as tall as you'd like to be, you aren't short by any standards. But some people are never satisfied with what they have. You may just want a certain height, and that's fine, but at your height, I can't imagine you're facing any discrimination.

If it was just about discrimination and not vanity you should have considered moving to Indonesia where you wouldn't be short.

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Quote from: hadrian on March 19, 2015, 03:46:04 AMDon't feel the need to lay easy on me just because i'm a fan Uppland. If you disagree with what I say i'm happy to hear you say it.

There is no reason to cowtow to others who disregard the plight of others. All you can do is meet them halfway, and if they are unable to do the same to you, you shouldnt pick up their slack for them. If people continue to belittle, deride, and try to exclude those of taller starting heights on this site, all they deserve is a healthy dose of logic in return.

In a hypothetical situation where there was a country with an average height of 6'5", I wouldnt lambast a 6'3" resident of that country for wanting to leg lengthen, just because I am jealous of his starting height. Though I would never criticize anyone for wanting to LL because I'm not in their shoes, It would be more logical to lambast a 5'5" male in the philippines for wanting to leg lengthen, because he is already average.
Then what were you trying to imply? Because you seem to imply the exact same thing in multiple posts of yours, you're in fact one of the biggest height discriminators on this site. And why do height standards in your area carry any more weight to his situation than a Peruvian male's does to yours?


If it was just about discrimination and not vanity you should have considered moving to Indonesia where you wouldn't be short.

Even in short countries there is plenty of height discrimination. In big cities in China, most girls filter for 175cm+ on dating sites which is a good bit over the country's male average. There used to be minimum height requirements listed on job advertisements until it was outlawed.. though the discrimination is still there, just done subtly.

You may argue relative population heights, and I certainly believe that you can feel short at any height, but there is a definitely an absolute relative height scale for humans, and you are not short on that scale by any means. And the same goes to say while the 5'7" guy in the Philippines might feel tall surrounded by his compatriots, he is not actually tall by any means.

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 19, 2015, 04:17:55 AMEven in short countries there is plenty of height discrimination. In big cities in China, most girls filter for 175cm+ on dating sites which is a good bit over the country's male average. There used to be minimum height requirements listed on job advertisements until it was outlawed.. though the discrimination is still there, just done subtly.

You may argue relative population heights, and I certainly believe that you can feel short at any height, but there is a definitely an absolute relative height scale for humans, and you are not short on that scale by any means. And the same goes to say while the 5'7" guy in the Philippines might feel tall surrounded by his compatriots, he is not actually tall by any means.

Yes, height discrimination is everywhere and intrinsic to our species. Women do the same filter technique here, but surprise surprise, the relative heights they filter for are taller than in shorter countries, usually around 6 foot. And guess what, that 175cm western male's plight is just as serious as the 167cm Chinese male's.   

 It's all relative and there is no denying this.  How can you argue relative height scales in a world where pygmies, a tribe of whom the people are dwarfism-tier, and the Maasai people, where average male heights were over 6'4", both coexist on the same continent? Insinuating that the filipino male isn't tall is just ignorance on your part.

If anything the relative height scale, if in a fantasy world where such a thing actually existed, should be dismally low, considering giant countries with the majority of the world population like India, China, Indonesia, are all of a very short height statistically at around 5'5". Meanwhile there are multiple other countries with smaller populations that have very large heights at around 6'0" that bump up the average. So in essence pegging the relative male height at 5'7" is like pegging the relative human eye color as green. Because that's what you get when you average out blue and brown right? Just ignore the fact that only 2% of the world has green eyes vs like 13% blue and majority brown.

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Quote from: hadrian on March 19, 2015, 04:32:14 AMYes, height discrimination is everywhere and intrinsic to our species. Women do the same filter technique here, but surprise surprise, the relative heights they filter for are taller than in shorter countries, usually around 6 foot. And guess what, that 175cm western male's plight is just as serious as the 167cm Chinese male's.   

 It's all relative and there is no denying this.  How can you argue relative height scales in a world where pygmies, a tribe of whom the people are dwarfism-tier, and the Maasai people, where average male heights were over 6'4", both coexist on the same continent? Insinuating that the filipino male isn't tall is just ignorance on your part.

If anything the relative height scale, if in a fantasy world where such a thing actually existed, should be dismally low, considering giant countries with the majority of the world population like India, China, Indonesia, are all of a very short height statistically at around 5'5". Meanwhile there are multiple other countries with smaller populations that have very large heights at around 6'0" that bump up the average. So in essence pegging the relative male height at 5'7" is like pegging the relative human eye color as green. Because that's what you get when you average out blue and brown right? Just ignore the fact that only 2% of the world has green eyes vs like 13% blue and majority brown.

I would ignore what women say they want. "Tall" is a proxy for dominance and confidence in a woman's mind; do you really think those same women that say "6'0+ only" would turn down 5'11 Brad Pitt or 5'9 Marlon Brando in his prime? I doubt very many would.

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Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 19, 2015, 05:31:05 AMI would ignore what women say they want. "Tall" is a proxy for dominance and confidence in a woman's mind; do you really think those same women that say "6'0+ only" would turn down 5'11 Brad Pitt or 5'9 Marlon Brando in his prime? I doubt very many would.

I agree with you and meursault that it's most important to look at what women do, and not what they say. BelowTheMean brought up the height filtering in an online dating context. Online dating is a platform where exact numbers mean more than usual because that's one of the only things women have to go by. In a height context that means that yes, Brad Pitts and Marlon Brandos could easily be passed over due to the nature of the game. In person there are many things that play a role in determining a male's attractiveness. No, I do not think very many women would turn down Brando or Pitt in their primes, in person.