"Dutch guys are so hot"

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Quote from: hadrian on March 19, 2015, 03:46:04 AM
Then what were you trying to imply? Because you seem to imply the exact same thing in multiple posts of yours, you're in fact one of the biggest height discriminators on this site. And why do height standards in your area carry any more weight to his situation than a Peruvian male's does to yours?


If it was just about discrimination and not vanity you should have considered moving to Indonesia where you wouldn't be short.

lol...you seem like a very argumentative person. I probably shouldn't engage with you, but I'd like to at least once address some of what you've said at least once.

You're probably right, there probably are some posts of mine on here where I appear to "discriminate" (lol) against taller men for wanting LL. But you probably also either read into them the wrong way, or didn't see my other posts where I flat out said "I understand and agree that cosmetic surgery should be up to the specific individual." If someone who is 7ft wants LL, all the more power to them. I was just trying to explain that, given the severity of this surgery, men who are at least a decent height (I won't go into numbers, since then you'll just start splitting hairs, but maybe the world average could be a place to start) should at least think twice about it. Because there comes a point where, maybe, must maybe, it's more in these guy's heads.

You mentioned a bunch of countries. Remember, I'm a Caucasian male living in a VERY big city (perhaps the biggest in the world). There are people of every different race from all over the world living in my city. I wasn't trying to say my "plight" (lol) is more important because of where I Live...i was trying to demonstrate that I have seen people of all races where I live, so I compare myself against men of all races from all over the world (not just white people). But, for a white male, I would be considered short no matter what. The average american I think is 5'9.5", so I'm still considered short in my own country as it is (I'm not sure this figure includes all races, or just Caucasians).

Look man - you are 6ft. I don't know, and frankly don't care, where you live. If you want LL, go, go get it. If you're in the Netherlands, which I know is a very tall country, you are what, average at worst? We are all raised and have ingrained into our heads that 6ft and up (perhaps a bit taller, nowadays) is the ideal height for men. A guy of my former height is going to experience discrimination almost everywhere he goes. I'm well-traveled myself, and have been considered short wherever I went, though I didn't go to the countries you mentioned. Why the hell should I have to move to Indonesia to not be considered short? But at 6ft, you are at a good enough height for most of the world, most women, etc. I don't care where you live, the average height of the Philippines, etc. - do NOT try to insinuate that you, as a 6ft guy, understand what it's like to be a 5'5" guy, because you don't. Why do you think some LL doctors won't do the surgery if you're already a certain height (Dr. Rozbruch, for instance, has a hard time taking men who I think are over 5'6")?

Anyway, live and let live. If you want LL, go for it. If LL will improve your life, I sincerely wish you the best bro.

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Where do you live Hadrian and why you want ll?

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Quote from: ReadRothbard on March 19, 2015, 05:31:05 AMI would ignore what women say they want. "Tall" is a proxy for dominance and confidence in a woman's mind; do you really think those same women that say "6'0+ only" would turn down 5'11 Brad Pitt or 5'9 Marlon Brando in his prime? I doubt very many would.

Agree with this. I think if a guy is at least 5'7", he will do fine with girls so long as he's at least in decent shape and not bad looking. I think James Dean was like 5'7" or something.

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Quote from: Uppland on March 19, 2015, 02:55:59 AMAt least the promised land (190+) is more or less within your reach, I will never be that tall, still I'd be satisfied with 186CM that is, in my opinion, a respetable height.

I would like to be tall, but what I really want is to measure up to the other adults. Most of them are between 183-190CM.

Maybe, but I won't spend the flower of my youth without, at the very least, a plan of action.

The "promised land" uppland can you explain why you want to be so tall, I remember you wanted to be 195 cm, seems you want to dominate people to feel superior , that s a Terrible psychological trait

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Quote from: endomorphisme on March 19, 2015, 12:23:30 PMThe "promised land" uppland can you explain why you want to be so tall, I remember you wanted to be 195 cm, seems you want to dominate people to feel superior , that s a Terrible psychological trait

Don't quit your daytime job to become a psychologist mate. I think 190-195 is the perfect height range, that's all there is to it.

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Quote from: Uppland on March 19, 2015, 01:30:53 PMDon't quit your daytime job to become a psychologist mate. I think 190-195 is the perfect height range, that's all there is to it.

maybe you're right,  i will do a first surgery to be 186.5 cm-187 cm, and then a second to reach the promised land

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I agree with Uppland, my Cousin who is the same age as me is 194 and I'd say his height is just perfect. He doesn't look weird nor does he stick out of the crowd too much. I won't ever reach that height, however, I'd say everything above 185 is fine.

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Quote from: YellowSpike on March 19, 2015, 11:55:20 AMI'm well-traveled myself, and have been considered short wherever I went, though I didn't go to the countries you mentioned. Why the hell should I have to move to Indonesia to not be considered short?

Well traveled but you haven't been to heavy hitter countries like China, Indonesia, India, Philippines, Mexico? Sounds like you like to believe you're well traveled but in reality you've only been to one or two regions. With such a substandard travel history some humility would be in order on your part. I have been to tall regions and short countries before and I can recognize my experience and standards regarding height are basically useless in some countries. Thus I don't impose my height standards upon others.

If you don't care about the heights of other countries, how about you just put everyone that isn't from the US on your ignore list? Seems to me that's how you want to live your life; bissfully ignorant of the rest of the world. If the presence of the more vertical members here enrages you to the point of churning out post after post with passive aggressive intent targeting us, it may be better for your mental health if you cut us out entirely.

I ask again; why should we have to move from our tall regions to avoid being attacked by the terrorist goons on this forum?



Quote from: YellowSpike on March 19, 2015, 11:55:20 AM do NOT try to insinuate that you, as a 6ft guy, understand what it's like to be a 5'5" guy, because you don't.

Why should I care? You have yet to meet me halfway after all. It seems to me that as a former 5'5" male yourself you have even less of a clue of what it's like to be 5'5" than I do. I am well aware that there are tens, perhaps hundreds of millions of males that are 5'5" that make due just fine due to living in short countries. Why is it that a 6'0" man has to try to educate you on stuff you should have realized decades ago?

Quote from: YellowSpike on March 19, 2015, 11:55:20 AMAnyway, live and let live. If you want LL, go for it. If LL will improve your life, I sincerely wish you the best bro.

Thank you for the sentiments. I intend on having ext. tibias in 2016, and if needed internal femurs later down the line. I'm glad you're around to share your LL experience, even if I strongly disagree with your height opinions. 

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Quote from: hadrian on March 20, 2015, 03:19:45 AMWell traveled but you haven't been to heavy hitter countries like China, Indonesia, India, Philippines, Mexico? Sounds like you like to believe you're well traveled but in reality you've only been to one or two regions. With such a substandard travel history some humility would be in order on your part. I have been to tall regions and short countries before and I can recognize my experience and standards regarding height are basically useless in some countries. Thus I don't impose my height standards upon others.

If you don't care about the heights of other countries, how about you just put everyone that isn't from the US on your ignore list? Seems to me that's how you want to live your life; bissfully ignorant of the rest of the world. If the presence of the more vertical members here enrages you to the point of churning out post after post with passive aggressive intent targeting us, it may be better for your mental health if you cut us out entirely.

I ask again; why should we have to move from our tall regions to avoid being attacked by the terrorist goons on this forum?


Why should I care? You have yet to meet me halfway after all. It seems to me that as a former 5'5" male yourself you have even less of a clue of what it's like to be 5'5" than I do. I am well aware that there are tens, perhaps hundreds of millions of males that are 5'5" that make due just fine due to living in short countries. Why is it that a 6'0" man has to try to educate you on stuff you should have realized decades ago?
Thank you for the sentiments. I intend on having ext. tibias in 2016, and if needed internal femurs later down the line. I'm glad you're around to share your LL experience, even if I strongly disagree with your height opinions.

And where, exactly, did I explicitly list the countries that I've visited? I love how you just assume that I haven't been to any of those countries. Granted, I will flat out admit that I've only been to Mexico from that list...but I spent a good amount of time there several years ago. And I still felt short there. And what I've tried to explain, but clearly it's fallen on deaf ears, is that considering where I live (a major urban city, with many sections where people from these countries live), I do have experience with people from all different cultures. For instance, I may walk into a certain neighborhood, and feel average because it's primarily an Asian or Mexican neighborhood. I'm sure you'll shoot that down from your high horse as well, but just saying. And did you not see where I mentioned the "world average" of 5'7"? Granted, that figure may be off, but if a guy is at least just above the world average, even if he travels around the world and lives in different countries, he'll still be at a decent height, on average.

Anyway, I really don't give a flying f*ck what you think about me or my opinions on height. I think it's absolutely hilarious (and quite insulting) how you, as a 6ft man, can even think about attempting to "educate" me about other short males doing "fine" around the world. No sh*t sherlock - I was one of them. So was my dad. So was my grandfather. So are several of my current friends. You of all people should know not to think you know what it's like to actually BE a short man, because you never have been and never will be.

I have no idea what I said in other posts that set you off. Yes - I do think it's crazy how people of certain heights want LL. I won't bring any others into the discussion because I don't want to throw names around, but I'm definitely not the only one who feels this way on this forum. Maybe you feel paranoid because deep down, you realize that LL at your height is kinda...not necessary? Like I said...plastic surgery is a very personal decision. If you want LL, and if LL will improve your life, go for it. You seem to know what you want. Just get off your high horse and stop pretending that your height is a bad height and that you know what it's like to be short. I can tell you from experience that LL is a very serious, difficult, expensive, and painful road.

I just think, given the severity of the surgery, men who are already a "certain height" (won't use a number to keep it arbitrary) should really think twice about it. Anywho, I will no longer be engaging in this conversation. I'll just leave it at that. To each his own. Best of luck to you.

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Most guys are short but are good looking so they look great in pictures but most people are so dumb they don't realize the tall guys they are attracted to 99% of pictures are not tall and in reality they are much shorter in general.   The attraction people have is a sexual fantasy / stereotypes galore.