If height genes are epigenetical in addition to being polygenic, then that's going to suck. I was hoping if I ever decided to have children I could rely on taller genes passed through the Y-DNA in my family, but I guess my height genes would pass information differently due to the epigenetic effect (i.e. I'm shorter so the same inherited genes from my father will perform shorter on my children).
Oh well, none of this will matter in 50 years.
And I also have to agree with IWannaBeTaller that it is probably easier for first-world males today if all they want is to get married and have children. There are millions of women all around the world willing to marry anyone from Western Europe, Australia, New Zealand or North America just for the citizenship and living standards, and the internet made it a streamlined process. Hypergamy and all. I'm not saying I agree with either party in this "transaction", but it is the reality.
How much height could a man possibly stunt with the worst diet and lifestyle?
What's the point of all these useless statistics, geographics, analysis, even mentioned hypergamy, unemployment rate when in the end we're simply fked because we're short.
...says the guy who opened this very thread. LMAO.
Saying that our times are better than before because some women from third world countries who don't have money even for food would marry anyone (inclidung short men) just to survive is the most pathetic thing I read here.
If someone is ok to marry a woman who is with him only because otherwise she may starve and see him as a wallet, then this man should be ashamed of himself.
People stop being so pathetic and stop puting women so high only because we are not tall. No woman deserves to have everything paid and don't give you anything back (love, feelings etc) only because we are not tall and she is with us.
And after all, LL is here and all of us can chase the life they deserve without a permanent drawback like the lack of height.
So stop thinking so pathetically and do whatever you believe it will make you feel better with yourself and don't let anything put you down.
I always thought like that and I'll always do whatever it takes to feel completely ok with myself no matter how hard it may be (like another one LL)
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on February 16, 2018, 02:07:32 PM...says the guy who opened this very thread. LMAO.
Yeah, but this statistics and analysis have gone to far.
And we don't even get an answer yet, except the guy who just said 3 cm recently.
Btw I just read the previous comments, did you seriously think that it's ok for short men in modern countries just because they can offer survival to women and not because they feel sexually worthy?
Quote from: LLprime2 on February 12, 2018, 09:26:20 PMAnswer to title: Less than 3cm. If you eat normal, you gain or lose no life changing heights.
Interesting. How did you come up with this seemingly arbitrary number (of less than 3 cm)?
Quote from: BruceWayne on February 16, 2018, 02:45:00 PMBtw I just read the previous comments, did you seriously think that it's ok for short men in modern countries just because they can offer survival to women and not because they feel sxxually worthy?
Someone said that women can be choosier in modern Western countries because of their financial freedom, implying it's harder for short(er) men to find a mate under these conditions. I argued that the option to marry someone who wants you for your provider qualities is still there, just like in the "old times" when women didn't have the freedom to work and make money. Just by choosing a woman from a poorer country. It's one option for men, among many others.
Actually, an old friend of my mom married a woman from Africa who now lives with him in a richer country. From what I hear, they seem pretty happy together, so I surely won't be the one to judge them. Whatever works, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Quote from: BruceWayne on February 16, 2018, 02:45:00 PMInteresting. How did you come up with this seemingly arbitrary number (of less than 3 cm)?
I read it somewhere. But before that I made the logical conclusion myself.
Just look around. If food was such a denominator for height and growth you wouldn't see so many skinny unhealthy guys walking around, while having top nurished midgets.
You find so many big guys who don't take of their bodies at all.
Food doesn't determine the final height of a person. Puberty is just a random booster. It comes down to genetics. In my case I was already shorter than almost all kinds in kindergarten. I ate damn well all the time. Even a decade before puberty you can already see the who will be super short.
What does genetics do?
It controls your hormones. And hormones either make you tall, short, or gay in the womb (Yes, that is where you become already gay or not, but through your mother's hormones though). That is why you can grow taller with hormonal therapy, even though genetics decide which height you end up with, if it wasn't for external influenes on a hormonal level.
(External) hormones > genetics (controlls hormones) > puberty (again, genetics and hormones) > food. That is the order.
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on February 16, 2018, 05:03:03 PMSomeone said that women can be choosier in modern Western countries because of their financial freedom, implying it's harder for short(er) men to find a mate under these conditions. I argued that the option to marry someone who wants you for your provider qualities is still there, just like in the "old times" when women didn't have the freedom to work and make money. Just by choosing a woman from a poorer country. It's one option for men, among many others.
Actually, an old friend of my mom married a woman from Africa who now lives with him in a richer country. From what I hear, they seem pretty happy together, so I surely won't be the one to judge them. Whatever works, right? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That's just about the most pathetic thing one can possibly hear in this universe.
Quote from: LLprime2 on February 16, 2018, 09:07:57 PMI read it somewhere. But before that I made the logical conclusion myself.
Just look around. If food was such a denominator for height and growth you wouldn't see so many skinny unhealthy guys walking around, while having top nurished midgets.
You find so many big guys who don't take of their bodies at all.
Food doesn't determine the final height of a person. Puberty is just a random booster. It comes down to genetics. In my case I was already shorter than almost all kinds in kindergarten. I ate damn well all the time. Even a decade before puberty you can already see the who will be super short.
What does genetics do?
It controls your hormones. And hormones either make you tall, short, or gay in the womb (Yes, that is where you become already gay or not, but through your mother's hormones though). That is why you can grow taller with hormonal therapy, even though genetics decide which height you end up with, if it wasn't for external influenes on a hormonal level.
(External) hormones > genetics (controlls hormones) > puberty (again, genetics and hormones) > food. That is the order.
If you got this "under 3cm" based on the stuffs you mentioned, then I have some bad news because I see no correlation whatsoever how they yield this "under 3cm"
Foods may not be significant if you don't starve. But depression and extreme sleep deprivation might.
Quote from: BruceWayne on February 17, 2018, 03:56:07 AMThat's just about the most pathetic thing one can possibly hear in this universe.
Who are you to judge anyone? You know nothing about these people's lives, do you? It seems that some people in this world seem happy with their lives, and you do not. Now this mail order bride thing would not be for me. But I would rather be happy and have someone call me pathetic than be unhappy and have no-one call me pathetic.
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