Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on February 08, 2018, 09:20:24 PMYes, I agree. What I meant is that the papers don't confirm what some paranoid posters here have claimed, for example that one's growth can be stunted by 4 inches because they didn't eat breakfast or only slept 6 hours on some days during the week while being a teenager. That stuff they don't prove.
6 hours per night is absolutely normal. 8h is the ideal, but 6h is enough for many people.
How much height could a man possibly stunt with the worst diet and lifestyle?
Quote from: BruceWayne on February 09, 2018, 03:56:08 AMWho said I did?
I didn't mean being slightly sleepy lol
Quote from: Knik on February 09, 2018, 10:17:44 AMdon't forget he is Batman
Idk if his stories and theories are more pathetic or entertaining
Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on February 09, 2018, 11:09:08 AMI didn't mean being slightly sleepy lol
Idk if his stories and theories are more pathetic or entertaining
Which of my theories is either pathetic or entertaining?
Me and my best friend both 5’3 at 13
- He starts smoking weed every day
- He starts drinking every weekend
- Single mom so he mostly eats McDonalds
- Doesn’t eat lunch at school or play any sports
- High stress lifestyle, gets put on probation and nearly goes to juvie for smokingweed
Guess what, he still grew to 5’11 and I only grew to 5’4. Despite doing the exact opposite of everything.
Guess why.
His mom is 5’7 and mine is 5’. My maternal grandfather is probably like 5'2 and his is 6'.
I also have a friend who's maybe 5'1 even though his dad is 5'8. Guess why? His mom is probably 4'9 at most.
I don't think it's that uncommon to inherit height completely from your mother. I see a lot of guys 4 inches or so taller than their mom and that's it.
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on February 10, 2018, 06:09:56 PMMe and my best friend both 5’3 at 13
- He starts smoking weed every day
- He starts drinking every weekend
- Single mom so he mostly eats McDonalds
- Doesn’t eat lunch at school or play any sports
- High stress lifestyle, gets put on probation and nearly goes to juvie for smokingweed
Guess what, he still grew to 5’11 and I only grew to 5’4. Despite doing the exact opposite of everything.
Guess why.
His mom is 5’7 and mine is 5’. My maternal grandfather is probably like 5'2 and his is 6'.
I also have a friend who's maybe 5'1 even though his dad is 5'8. Guess why? His mom is probably 4'9 at most.
I don't think it's that uncommon to inherit height completely from your mother. I see a lot of guys 4 inches or so taller than their mom and that's it.
It's a polygenic trait so it's hard to gauge anything accurately, but yeah, check the thread where members listed their parents and their heights. The final height was almost a mean between the father and the mother for a lot of people. However, I also have the impression you get more height from your mother. Taller mothers with a father of the same height generally had taller sons than themselves. Whereas even people with tall fathers turned out fairly shorter than their own if their mother was short, even when the difference was about the same. 170cm father + mother = taller sons than 180cm father and 160cm mother.
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on February 10, 2018, 06:09:56 PMMe and my best friend both 5’3 at 13
- He starts smoking weed every day
- He starts drinking every weekend
- Single mom so he mostly eats McDonalds
- Doesn’t eat lunch at school or play any sports
- High stress lifestyle, gets put on probation and nearly goes to juvie for smokingweed
Guess what, he still grew to 5’11 and I only grew to 5’4. Despite doing the exact opposite of everything.
Guess why.
His mom is 5’7 and mine is 5’. My maternal grandfather is probably like 5'2 and his is 6'.
I also have a friend who's maybe 5'1 even though his dad is 5'8. Guess why? His mom is probably 4'9 at most.
I don't think it's that uncommon to inherit height completely from your mother. I see a lot of guys 4 inches or so taller than their mom and that's it.
Do you know how tall his father is? Is he shorter or taller than his father?
He may have honestly lost height due to his high stress lifestyle. I'm not arguing a lot, but a bit. Like even people who may have some naturally healthier functioning organs (compared to the general populace) will still have them be affected by stress. I don't exactly like comparing "taller" to "healthier", but it was the analogy I could think of.
I do think this subject deserves more scrutiny from science, even if I agree with Android that there's no point lamenting or ruminating about it after you've already grown.
Quote from: myloginacct on February 10, 2018, 07:38:35 PMDo you know how tall his father is? Is he shorter or taller than his father?
He may have honestly lost height due to his high stress lifestyle. I'm not arguing a lot, but a bit. Like even people who may have some naturally healthier functioning organs (compared to the general populace) will still have them be affected by stress. I don't exactly like comparing "taller" to "healthier", but it was the analogy I could think of.
I do think this subject deserves more scrutiny from science, even if I agree with Android that there's no point lamenting or ruminating about it after you've already grown.
His dad is shorter than his mom, probably 5'6
Yes, nutrition and upbringing do influence height significantly. I'm really surprised nobody has mentioned the indisputable height difference between two nations sharing the same genetic pool, but vastly different lifestyles - South Korea and North Korea. Here's what research shows:
North Korean men are, on average, between 3 - 8cm (1.2 - 3.1in) shorter than their South Korean counterparts
The height gap is approximately 4cm (1.6in) among pre-school boys and 3cm (1.2in) among pre-school girls
Martin Bloem is head of nutrition at the World Food Programme, which has been providing food aid to North Korea since 1995. He says poor diet in the early years of life leads to stunted growth.
"Food and what happens in the first two years of life is actually critical for people's height later"
In the 1990s North Korea suffered a terrible famine. Today, according to the World Food Programme, "one in every three children remains chronically malnourished or 'stunted', meaning they are too short for their age".
Also, thanks to better nutrition, each generation tends to be taller then the previous one. From from SciAm:
modern humans are taller than those from the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. In fact, over the last 150 years the average height of people in industrialized nations has increased approximately 10 centimeters (about four inches).
[...] conditions of poor nutrition are well correlated to smaller stature. For example, the heights of all classes of people, from factory workers to the rich, increased as food quality, production and distribution became more reliable [...] the heights of vagrant London boys declined from 1780 to1800 and then rose three inches in just 30 years--an increase that paralleled improving conditions for the poor.
Quoting from another study (which was brought up on this forum before, BTW) that followed height trends worldwide over the past 100 years:
Although height is one of the most heritable human traits (Fisher, 1919; Lettre, 2011), cross-population differences are believed to be related to non-genetic, environmental factors. Of these, foetal growth (itself related to maternal size, nutrition and environmental exposures), and nutrition and infections during childhood and adolescence are particularly important determinants of height during adulthood (Cole, 2000; Silventoinen et al., 2000; Dubois et al., 2012; Haeffner et al., 2002; Sørensen et al., 1999; Victora et al., 2008; Eveleth and Tanner, 1990; Tanner, 1962; Tanner, 1992; Bogin, 2013).
Anecdotally, my cousins are taller than me by about 1", and they're both female. Their mother is 5'3", 2" taller than mine, and their father is 5'7", just as tall as mine. Keep in mind that Caucasian women are on the average 4-5" shorter than men, and that statistic is found in my country too. So yes, my mom was 2" shorter than their mom, but my female cousins aren't 2-3" shorter than me; they're 1" taller. However, my cousins were *very* well-fed as children while I was not (see the end of my post).
Quote from: myloginacct on November 24, 2017, 03:07:37 AMThere's nothing people who were born blind can do to make themselves see (as of yet).
Yes there is - brain-computer interfaces coupled with HD cameras can already give sight to the blind.
Quote from: myloginacct on November 24, 2017, 03:07:37 AMThere's nothing people who were born with chronic, inherited genetic diseases can do to cure themselves.
Gene therapy can already cure certain genetic diseases. CRISPR technology is rapidly advancing towards more therapeutic applications and my friend and Ligandal CEO Andrew Watson has just announced this week a breakthrough method of delivering genetic therapies enabled by CRIPSR, TALEN, mRNA, siRNA, DNA using nanoparticles.
We live in extraordinary times. By the way, those who haven't looked into CRISPR yet, watch this:
Genetic Engineering Will Change Everything Forever – CRISPR
Quote from: myloginacct on February 08, 2018, 08:46:54 PMI don't think nutrition was a factor for anyone in this forum.
I grew up in a country with food rationing and my family forced me to fast (no protein) for about half of the year until I was over 20 and my growth plates had fused. My mother is 5'1" and my father is 5'7" - while the parents of my two female cousins are 5'3" (their mom, my sister's dad) and 5'7" (their dad, same height as my father). Despite women being on the average 4-5" shorter than men in my country, my cousins are 1" taller than me. My cousing were very well fed though (they were born after food rationing ceased, and their parents weren't religiously indoctrinated). How much of that particular case is genetic and how much is malnutrition we'll never know, but on a large population scale, it's clear that early age nutrition and environmental factors do impact height.
Quote from: fivefive on February 11, 2018, 10:28:14 PMYes, nutrition and upbringing do influence height significantly. I'm really surprised nobody has mentioned the indisputable height difference between two nations sharing the same genetic pool, but vastly different lifestyles - South Korea and North Korea. Here's what research shows:
North Korean men are, on average, between 3 - 8cm (1.2 - 3.1in) shorter than their South Korean counterparts
The height gap is approximately 4cm (1.6in) among pre-school boys and 3cm (1.2in) among pre-school girls
Martin Bloem is head of nutrition at the World Food Programme, which has been providing food aid to North Korea since 1995. He says poor diet in the early years of life leads to stunted growth.
"Food and what happens in the first two years of life is actually critical for people's height later"
In the 1990s North Korea suffered a terrible famine. Today, according to the World Food Programme, "one in every three children remains chronically malnourished or 'stunted', meaning they are too short for their age".
Also, thanks to better nutrition, each generation tends to be taller then the previous one. From from SciAm:
modern humans are taller than those from the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries. In fact, over the last 150 years the average height of people in industrialized nations has increased approximately 10 centimeters (about four inches).
[...] conditions of poor nutrition are well correlated to smaller stature. For example, the heights of all classes of people, from factory workers to the rich, increased as food quality, production and distribution became more reliable [...] the heights of vagrant London boys declined from 1780 to1800 and then rose three inches in just 30 years--an increase that paralleled improving conditions for the poor.
Quoting from another study (which was brought up on this forum before, BTW) that followed height trends worldwide over the past 100 years:
Although height is one of the most heritable human traits (Fisher, 1919; Lettre, 2011), cross-population differences are believed to be related to non-genetic, environmental factors. Of these, foetal growth (itself related to maternal size, nutrition and environmental exposures), and nutrition and infections during childhood and adolescence are particularly important determinants of height during adulthood (Cole, 2000; Silventoinen et al., 2000; Dubois et al., 2012; Haeffner et al., 2002; Sørensen et al., 1999; Victora et al., 2008; Eveleth and Tanner, 1990; Tanner, 1962; Tanner, 1992; Bogin, 2013).
Anecdotally, my cousins are taller than me by about 1", and they're both female. Their mother is 5'3", 2" taller than mine, and their father is 5'7", just as tall as mine. Keep in mind that Caucasian women are on the average 4-5" shorter than men, and that statistic is found in my country too. So yes, my mom was 2" shorter than their mom, but my female cousins aren't 2-3" shorter than me; they're 1" taller. However, my cousins were *very* well-fed as children while I was not (see the end of my post).
Yes there is - brain-computer interfaces coupled with HD cameras can already give sight to the blind.
Gene therapy can already cure certain genetic diseases. CRISPR technology is rapidly advancing towards more therapeutic applications and my friend and Ligandal CEO Andrew Watson has just announced this week a breakthrough method of delivering genetic therapies enabled by CRIPSR, TALEN, mRNA, siRNA, DNA using nanoparticles.
We live in extraordinary times. By the way, those who haven't looked into CRISPR yet, watch this:
Genetic Engineering Will Change Everything Forever – CRISPR
I grew up in a country with food rationing and my family forced me to fast (no protein) for about half of the year until I was over 20 and my growth plates had fused. My mother is 5'1" and my father is 5'7" - while the parents of my two female cousins are 5'3" (their mom, my sister's dad) and 5'7" (their dad, same height as my father). Despite women being on the average 4-5" shorter than men in my country, my cousins are 1" taller than me. My cousing were very well fed though (they were born after food rationing ceased, and their parents weren't religiously indoctrinated). How much of that particular case is genetic and how much is malnutrition we'll never know, but on a large population scale, it's clear that early age nutrition and environmental factors do impact height.
Thanks for the links. We do live in exciting times.
Good thing is that the height increase due to nutrition seems to have plateaued in most developed nations, so we don't need to worry about falling off too much.
I'll go over other stuff in your post later.
So literally starving, living under dictator, high stress lifestyle and fearing execution of your entire family up to 2 relatives removed can at maximum stunt height by 1.5 inches? Lol.
This is also ignoring the fact that in more modern societies women are the keepers of marriage and children, and become choosier causing reproductive rates to go down.
I wouldn’t be surprised if 0.5 inch of that height difference could be attributed to independent South Korean women choosing to marry taller men than they would’ve been able to bargain for without their own financial freedom. In North Korea, women must marry whoever they can just to be provided for and survive.
I mean take note of the fact that women now openly want to only date and fk 6ft+ men. That obviously has some influence on the gene pool. Also couple the fact with how likely suicide is for short men, especially men under 5’5.
I don’t think human height is done increasing, and I genuinely believe it’s greatly influenced by sxxual selection.
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