I have decided to call it off

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Quote from: Alu on June 08, 2016, 05:27:12 AMSeem's like a skewed, crude, and narrow perspective honestly lol.

I never go to respond OP for his decision. TIBIKE, you and I had some fights and scuffes here and there over the nature of LL. I respected your opinion however, even though I did disagree primarily on how LL is treated in this community as the definitive and perfect end to the means. When in truth, due to the nature of how risky it is at the moment, it hardly is. It seems to came to sort of realize that, but of course times do change. I wouldn't hold it against you if you do ultimately decide to do it after all (I'm at least hopefully new technological developments years in advance will either make LL more of a given success or at least provide an alternative; expect it to cost a lot though).

At the time being though, through my own time away from the forum and hanging out with some of friends I've come realize that some of the stupid notions I had in my head just quite weren't true. Hopefully you've realized that as well and/or are beginning too. In any case, good luck man. Be happy and do what you think you need to do.

at 5'8 I know its not in my head, an attractive girl will choose the taller guy 7/10 times barring all else being equal. There is no arguments in this because its just biology, its just how humans are wired.

Yes, I'm hoping new innovations allow for a better LL procedure and the cost thing wont worry me one bit, if I want it bad enough I'll find a way.

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Quote from: LifeReloaded on June 09, 2016, 12:35:04 AMat 5'8 I know its not in my head, an attractive girl will choose the taller guy 7/10 times barring all else being equal. There is no arguments in this because its just biology, its just how humans are wired.

Yes, I'm hoping new innovations allow for a better LL procedure and the cost thing wont worry me one bit, if I want it bad enough I'll find a way.

That's way to much of a simplistic, generalized comment to make (nice arbitrary ratio btw). It's also one that leads down a slippery slope about the nature of women that those MGTOW (which is stupid) all to often make...

I'm not gonna argue with you, I'm ending it here.

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Quote from: Alu on June 09, 2016, 01:15:55 AMThat's way to much of a simplistic, generalized comment to make (nice arbitrary ratio btw). It's also one that leads down a slippery slope about the nature of women that those MGTOW (which is stupid) all to often make...

I think there are two different things at work here..

If you are not "that tall", will you be able to find a great girl, and have a good life with here? Off course.

But if you are taller, the pool of women to chose from will be automatically larger.

I have had a couple of Tinder dates, where the women told me, I'd be their type, if I would just be a couple of cm taller. And these were girls who were like 4 to 8 cm smaller than me. It's weird.

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This is completely idiotic. All this rubbish about a tall guy surely getting a hot girl.

 Listen bud, I have seen both tall and not tall and even short guys dates both gorgeous and ugly women.
 The equation doesnt go "The taller you get the hotter the chicks you date get" but it just means you will not be disregarded which is esencially a larger dating pool. If a chick dates you at your 5'7 it means your height is enough... Being taller won't make the relationship work better and she wouldnt dump you for another guy just because you arent tall enough...
 Ugh... I have dated women, some were decent and others were hot... Yeah, I am 100% aware that if I will be taller I will be able to date MORE women but not MORE ATTRACTIVE women. Make the difference bud.

 And about me creating a clone account called pricess, no... Its not me.... It is stupid idiotic family friends who wanted to scare me off (And sadly succedded).

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 09, 2016, 01:43:07 PMThis is completely idiotic. All this rubbish about a tall guy surely getting a hot girl.

 Listen bud, I have seen both tall and not tall and even short guys dates both gorgeous and ugly women.
 The equation doesnt go "The taller you get the hotter the chicks you date get" but it just means you will not be disregarded which is esencially a larger dating pool. If a chick dates you at your 5'7 it means your height is enough... Being taller won't make the relationship work better and she wouldnt dump you for another guy just because you arent tall enough...
 Ugh... I have dated women, some were decent and others were hot... Yeah, I am 100% aware that if I will be taller I will be able to date MORE women but not MORE ATTRACTIVE women. Make the difference bud.

 And about me creating a clone account called pricess, no... Its not me.... It is stupid idiotic family friends who wanted to scare me off (And sadly succedded).

This has been my experience in life as well. I've been with mostly average chicks, and some hot ones. Very comparable notch count and quality of women to my taller friends. I've been with way more women than I'll ever admit to on this forum.

Only one ugly chick, but I blame that on my good buddy Budweiser.

The amount of self doubt on this forum is disheartening. Especially with the 5'7+ group.

Yes, taller guys have it easier. Yes, being taller would increase attraction to an extent. But really? All this despair over things like chicks on tinder?

Women, sex, and relationships are difficult for MOST men, regardless of height.

There is so much more to life than height, and so many women out there that just DO NOT CARE as long as you are equal or even a little taller. Hell, lots of women don't care if you are even a little shorter than them.

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Quote from: CCMidwest on June 09, 2016, 02:02:22 PMThis has been my experience in life as well. I've been with mostly average chicks, and some hot ones. Very comparable notch count and quality of women to my taller friends. I've been with way more women than I'll ever admit to on this forum.

Same here, so what?
Quote from: CCMidwest on June 09, 2016, 02:02:22 PMOnly one ugly chick, but I blame that on my good buddy Budweiser.

The amount of self doubt on this forum is disheartening. Especially with the 5'7+ group.

Yes, taller guys have it easier. Yes, being taller would increase attraction to an extent. But really? All this despair over things like chicks on tinder?

I just wrote something that I think is a given.

I didn't write that I am despaired about "getting not enough women". So don't put these words into my mouth.

Also, some men just prefer girls with longer legs, which tend to be more tall usually.

Quote from: CCMidwest on June 09, 2016, 02:02:22 PMWomen, sex, and relationships are difficult for MOST men, regardless of height.

There is so much more to life than height, and so many women out there that just DO NOT CARE as long as you are equal or even a little taller. Hell, lots of women don't care if you are even a little shorter than them.

My last girlfriend was 4 cm taller than me, and didn't care. But that's not the point.

Well, you seem to care enough about height to still be around here after proclaiming loud and bold that you are done with LL.

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Quote from: Cheez on June 09, 2016, 02:27:27 PMSame here, so what?I just wrote something that I think is a given.

I didn't write that I am despaired about "getting not enough women". So don't put these words into my mouth.

Also, some men just prefer girls with longer legs, which tend to be more tall usually.
My last girlfriend was 4 cm taller than me, and didn't care. But that's not the point.

Well, you seem to care enough about height to still be around here after proclaiming loud and bold that you are done with LL.

I am done with LL. It would take a significant change in LL technology and my situation in life for me to change my mind. I'm only here because I had some pms to answer from guys I have grown fond of.

I was generalizing with my comment about tinder, which gets brought up a lot around here, and wasn't talking about you specifically.

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Quote from: CCMidwest on June 09, 2016, 02:02:22 PMThis has been my experience in life as well. I've been with mostly average chicks, and some hot ones. Very comparable notch count and quality of women to my taller friends. I've been with way more women than I'll ever admit to on this forum.

Only one ugly chick, but I blame that on my good buddy Budweiser.

The amount of self doubt on this forum is disheartening. Especially with the 5'7+ group.

Yes, taller guys have it easier. Yes, being taller would increase attraction to an extent. But really? All this despair over things like chicks on tinder?

Women, sex, and relationships are difficult for MOST men, regardless of height.

There is so much more to life than height, and so many women out there that just DO NOT CARE as long as you are equal or even a little taller. Hell, lots of women don't care if you are even a little shorter than them.

It's not just tinder, its everywhere. Even in college I've had girls tell me I was too short for them at 5'8. Everything seemed fine when we interacted as friends but as soon as I started to flirt, they disappeared.

And just forget about bars/clubs if you're under 6'. Every time I go out I want to kill myself looking at the competition and getting no attention from attractive girls. So yeah women do care about height whether how much people on this forum want to cope by imagining that they dont.

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Quote from: LifeReloaded on June 10, 2016, 04:23:44 AMIt's not just tinder, its everywhere. Even in college I've had girls tell me I was too short for them at 5'8. Everything seemed fine when we interacted as friends but as soon as I started to flirt, they disappeared.

And just forget about bars/clubs if you're under 6'. Every time I go out I want to kill myself looking at the competition and getting no attention from attractive girls. So yeah women do care about height whether how much people on this forum want to cope by imagining that they dont.

All else being equal, yeah, taller is better. Why do you think LL interests me?

Yeah, bars and clubs, and online dating are not gonna be your friend at 5'8.

But dude, you're 5'8. That's only 1-2" under average depending on how you slice it.

There are a million other ways to meet women. Grocery store, church, walgreens, social circles, hobbies, front counter at hotels, pools, lakes, etc. I've picked up girls in all these places.

Casual sex is tougher at our height, no doubt. But relationships are easier. You know how many girls I've feigned interest in having a relationship with until I got sex and then dumped them?

I am just a bit under 5'8.

LL let's you change the hand you're dealt. If your gonna do it fine, I'm not saying don't do it. But LL won't drastically change your life with the attitude you show here.

Just relax man, it's not that bad.

Rejection is part of life as a man. Learn from it, embrace it. Do what you can to adjust yourself and reduce rejections (which might include LL)

But "height is life" as your profile says...is wrong. Its just one of many things that makes a man.

So no, no "coping" here. Height is important for sure. But so are many, many other things.

Play the hand you're dealt as best you can. Change that hand with LL if that is what you want. Just be smart about it. (good doc, not an extreme amount)

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on June 10, 2016, 02:40:15 PMI haven't said anything about it earlier since I only got to know about it three days ago... And since I never ever lied or spread false info on this forum, I kept the same line and decided that it was best to reveal that, so people wont decide against a doctor solely based on a false claim.
 I did got enraged like a demon though. Because it completely destroyed my momentum... I stopped smoking precisly for the procedure and after seeing that post, I got completely pannicked so I resumed smoking...

I feel for you entirely man. I'd be ticked off if someone did that too me. I knew something was fishy about that account considering everything at the time. You should do whatever you feel makes you happiest dude. Whether to do it or not. Also stop smoking man, you should know how bad that stuff is for you. In any case, I wish you the best mate. You're level headed so I trust your judgment and one of the few I respect the most here.

And again sorry that that happened to you. I wish you the absolute best!