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Posted on Jan 14, 2022, 10:45 am
#1
Today is the first day of the rest of my life. After first finding out about this procedure back in 2016, I knew this was something I wanted to do. But like other things "life just happened" and time passed by. And then there is the whole saving up the funds that takes some time. Here we are though, six years later and I am about to change my life forever.

I currently stand at 165cm tall, and my X-rays look very good. If possible we will 11-12cm. If everything works out fine, and my body copes with lengthening well I may stand at as much as 176-177cm tall in four to five months. Wish me luck!

I'm now just sitting here waiting for Dr Betz to bring me into the surgery room.
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Posted on Jan 14, 2022, 10:50 am
#2
Congratulations!

Interested to hear how you will manage with the “clicking” process.

All the best.
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Posted on Jan 14, 2022, 11:00 am
#3
is it possible to go back with betzbone and gnail? Likeu can do with Precice
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Posted on Jan 14, 2022, 12:52 pm
#4
Hi Stand taller! Congratulations on getting the surgery. Just want to ask some questions. 11-12cm in just one lengthening period, how long will it take you to lengthen? Where are you from and how long are you staying in Germany? Did Betz give you a timeline for full recovery if you indeed do 12 cm? Thanks and well wishes!!
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 4:42 am
#5
Day 2

Good morning!

Yesterday was surgery, and everything went well. Two hous after surgery I was rolled into my own room, and after another two hours Dr Betz came with some colleagues. With assistance from them I walked out of the room and around 5-6 meters down the hallway before I started to get nauseous. I am amazed that I could actually walk this soon after surgery.

Most of the evening and during the night I've slept. Pain levels have been close to none existent while laying bed  and totally manageable while walking on crutches to the toilet with help from the nurse. I only had to ask for one extra painmed around 02:30 form the nurse dude to pain (paintlevel around 3-4/10) so I could sleep.

This morning though I actually got out of bed, walked to the toilet on crutches, stod upright and peed (instead of sitting) washed my hands, walked back on crutches and got into bed all by myself! Pain is very manageable, and it is actually worse while moving on and out of bed - and NOT while walking. This is also the hardest  thing to do because to stiffness in my legs.

My only "issues" so far has been nauseousness while the general anesthesia was leaving my system around 18:00-22:00 yesterday. Today I am totally fine.

Dr Betx told me yesterday that the total length I can go because of my bones and anatomy is 11cm. When I actually get to 11cm there is a possibility to got an extra 0,5cm if everything is 100% fine. After surgery I already stand 0,5cm taller due to get bone separation while inserting the nail, and  this was the first thing I noticed while standing up. In my head I want to be 177cm tall because I will only be around 2cm below average where I live, but I think I will be more than fine standing at 176cm.

Either way the journey has begun and if everything goes as planned it should take me around four and a halg months to get there!

Stand Taller

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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 4:51 am
#6
How much Betz costs?
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 6:40 am
#7
please think about how you will look with 11cm longer femurs while sitting on a chair or in an airplane
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 10:42 am
#8
Quote from: TheGambitKing on January 15, 2022, 04:51:45 AM
How much Betz costs?

Betz is is 53700 Euros all included.
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 10:45 am
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Quote from: bloggerdude on January 15, 2022, 06:40:56 AM
please think about how you will look with 11cm longer femurs while sitting on a chair or in an airplane

I actually measured how much room I would have with 11cm more on an airplane seat on my to Germany. I should have plenty. Luckily I have very short femurs, much shorter than my tibias. My proportions know are very poor and after going 11cm it will be very good and darn close to ideal.
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 11:07 am
#10
Everybody have different proportions ofc. But I also lengthened my femurs with Betz and did 9cm. While lengthening I had this euphoria about getting taller. But once reality kicked in I realized I had lengthened to much.

My sincere recommendation to you is to do maximum around 6cm. With a starting height of 165 you will be slightly above 170cm wich is a normal height for men all around the world, including the tallest countries. Not only will you become "normally" tall but your agility will likely remain close to as it was prior to LL. Your proportions will also remain fairly normal.

The biggest mistake people do when doing LL is focusing on numbers. Already in your first post i can tell that you have a "magical number" you want to reach, wich is to become above 175cm. But ask yourself, will your life really be that different with a final height of 173cm compared to 176cm? With 176cm you will become slightly taller but also much more limited in agility.

I was greedy. Don't do my mistake.
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 11:39 am
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Quote from: Stand taller on January 15, 2022, 10:45:23 AM
I actually measured how much room I would have with 11cm more on an airplane seat on my to Germany. I should have plenty. Luckily I have very short femurs, much shorter than my tibias. My proportions know are very poor and after going 11cm it will be very good and darn close to ideal.

Please quantify it. What is the tibia to femur to torso ratio?

It's not about how much room you will have on an airplane seat (even 6'3" guys have room) but how it will look when you are sitting next to someone naturally 175cm.
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 11:52 am
#12
Ugh...here we are again !
There is so much data n we still have those lenghtening goals in 2022 ..I wonder if they are real at times .
Good luck with ur journey , hope your mind will change trough the process .
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 11:57 am
#13
better to keep it 7.5-8 cm proportion wise and functionality
you can use insoles in a later stage to get the 10 cm that you are aiming
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 1:30 pm
#14
What are the opinions towards splitting the 10cm between the Femur and Tibia. Would this not be the most advantageous long term?
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 1:42 pm
#15
Quote from: Stand taller on January 15, 2022, 10:45:23 AM
I actually measured how much room I would have with 11cm more on an airplane seat on my to Germany. I should have plenty. Luckily I have very short femurs, much shorter than my tibias. My proportions know are very poor and after going 11cm it will be very good and darn close to ideal.

Did you have birth defects or similar? It is pretty much unheard of for a normal person to have Tibias longer than femurs.
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 2:18 pm
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Quote from: Highest on January 15, 2022, 01:42:15 PM
Did you have birth defects or similar? It is pretty much unheard of for a normal person to have Tibias longer than femurs.

Just remembered another patient with Bezt who also explained he had a longer Tibia to Femur ratio, this conversation was held on Cyborg’s YouTube channel.
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 4:34 pm
#17
Hello Standtaller,

Congrats on the beginning of your journey. I myself pulled the trigger 3 months ago. I am/was (I am doing one leg at time) slightly above your height with 167cm. I'm am currently lengthening in Germany as well and have spoken with a few Orthopedists and Ll surgeons in Germany. All of them advised me to not go over the 6cm mark on femurs. My surgeon Dr. Koehne, explicitly advises all of his patients against going over the 6cm mark.

For this reason I am only going for 5cm on femurs, even if this means I will be missing out on a few cm. However, health is always more important than aesthetics and height. Always think long term with these kinds of major life decisions and please reconsider your goal of 11cm.

Betz, while being a very capable surgeon, is notorious for letting his patients overlengthen. One of his patients on this forum wants to shorten his femurs by 3-4cm after doing 11cms with him.

I have met another Betz patient personally, who did 10-11cm, and seen him limb, one year after surgery. Don't make the same mistake. 6-8cm is an incredible height difference as well.  You can always still do tibias at a later point in life.
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 10:44 pm
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Quote from: Stretch on January 15, 2022, 02:18:28 PM
Just remembered another patient with Bezt who also explained he had a longer Tibia to Femur ratio, this conversation was held on Cyborg’s YouTube channel.

So their natural ratio left them at a high risk of getting arthritis, talk about bad genetics.
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Posted on Jan 15, 2022, 10:58 pm
#19
Quote from: Highest on January 15, 2022, 10:44:26 PM
So their natural ratio left them at a high risk of getting arthritis, talk about bad genetics.

Are you referring to a greater T to F ratio as I believe there was an article discussing this posted on the forum but I’m not sure if there was a definitive conclusion?

Would be interesting to know if increasing the ratio even slightly may lead to these conditions later on.
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Posted on Jan 16, 2022, 9:19 am
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I believe the literature points out there seems to be a higher presence of arthritis for people who have a higher T to F ratio, likely due to the extra stress on the knee joints. There didn't seem to be any conclusive evidence of whether the inverse was true (ie. a higher F to T ratio). That said, it's always better to be cautious as I'm sure there is likely some effect to the body of having a very high F to T ratio.
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