Quote from: Android on March 20, 2018, 08:51:25 PMCap: there's the fact that younger people say more stupid things to get attention, so there's that. We tend to be harsher toward people we don't understand as well, and usually it's from insecurity; maybe she's using short men as an excuse for not attracting the right kind of men.
I do believe that most people are sensible, and that people like the girl in the tweet are just a loud minority (still echoing today...). For instance women may turn down a short guy because she prefers a taller guy, but most won't resent short guys. I'm sure that men who prefer prettier and skinnier women don't necessarily hate unattractive or overweight women. It's just "no thanks, not my type" and move on.
MoveUp: no kidding, it's getting warm in here!
IMO, women are irritated by the existence and presence of short men in the same way men are irritated by fat women. It’s not only indifference but resentment and annoyance.
The attractiveness dichotomy: men like tall women, yet the opposite is not true
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on March 20, 2018, 08:58:48 PMIMO, women are irritated by the existence and presence of short men in the same way men are irritated by fat women. It’s not only indifference but resentment and annoyance.
definitively stupid
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on March 20, 2018, 08:58:48 PMIMO, women are irritated by the existence and presence of short men in the same way men are irritated by fat women. It’s not only indifference but resentment and annoyance.
definitively stupid
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on March 20, 2018, 08:58:48 PMIMO, women are irritated by the existence and presence of short men in the same way men are irritated by fat women. It’s not only indifference but resentment and annoyance.
I don't buy it. The comparison has "some" validity but it is pretty universal that almost all men don't find fat women attractive, but the other is definitely not true. And anyone who thinks a 5' 6" good looking guy (Jose Altuve?) is in the same class as a fat woman is seeing through distorted lenses
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on March 20, 2018, 08:58:48 PMIMO, women are irritated by the existence and presence of short men in the same way men are irritated by fat women. It’s not only indifference but resentment and annoyance.
Utter nonsense!
Quote from: ivan on March 20, 2018, 09:34:14 PMUtter nonsense!
Obviously, it's mental.
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on March 20, 2018, 08:58:48 PMIMO, women are irritated by the existence and presence of short men in the same way men are irritated by fat women. It’s not only indifference but resentment and annoyance.
This could be because men are expected to make the first move, so women on the receiving end are more inclined to complain. Being bombarded by a type of person that you're not attracted to would brew resentment (because some will blow up and ask why, why, why); you'd notice a pattern and maybe even construct stereotypes.
I wonder if that means that those who don't use online dating, or social media for that matter, are more forgiving on average.
Phew, I'm tired. Have fun.
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on March 20, 2018, 08:58:48 PMIMO, women are irritated by the existence and presence of short men in the same way men are irritated by fat women. It’s not only indifference but resentment and annoyance.
You are so sad
How long it will take for u to acknowledge that human attraction isn't in binary system. It's more complicated than you think.
Tbh readin some of the stuff here im aint surprised some of u can't score lmao
Quote from: myloginacct on March 20, 2018, 07:15:53 PMThis is why I think some of the very short guys here should try going for the tallest women they can find. I know the fear of ridicule and rejection is a strong one, but it'd even balance out the height in their children!
They could maybe even find someone like my cousin did. He's not rich or good-looking by any means (quite the contrary), so I also don't want to hear from other people here that she was settling down for him due to things like that.
This is by far the stupidest and most irresponsible cope I've heard uttered either by short men or by others toward short men. Reproducing with a tall woman doesn't guarantee having tall children. There are people on this forum whose parents are taller than them, for fk's sake.
There's no way you could spin this plan to make it sound like it isn't a massive and potentially damaging (toward the offspring) cope. Eugenically selecting a tall woman for "tall offspring" won't solve your problems. You will still be short, people will still humiliate and demean you, (possibly even more now that you have a woman who dwarfs you in size), nothing in your life will change. If you get incredibly lucky and your offspring inherit the woman's genes, then THEY will have a great life, but that's none of YOUR business and you don't have the right to feel good or proud about that because it has nothing to do with YOU. Claims to the contrary essentially boil down to living vicariously through your child, which I doubt even the worst virtue-signallers on this forum or outside it would try to pass off as "moral".
The one and only solution for men who are short is getting taller.
Quote from: Knik on March 20, 2018, 08:31:48 PM
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Don't see what the problem is? Social media is a solid means of ascertaining people's beliefs or attitudes. This is another stupid cope by positivity cultists on "hugbox"/"mental support" forums (which this section is rapidly becoming). Being on the internet, whether anonymously or not, doesn't fundamentally "change" a person. This idiotic fantasy that gets parroted as the GIFT ("Greater Internet F*ckwad Theory") that became a meme in the early 2000's is nothing but that, a fantasy. Posting on the internet doesn't "make you say bad things 
(((", it removes your inhibitions so you say what you really believe.
In fact, the more anonymous the media (forums like this one where all you have is a username and maybe e-mail connecting to your identity), the more accurately a person's statements reflect their true beliefs and attitudes, because unlike in real life, people on the internet don't have to sugarcoat, mince words, misrepresent the truth, or otherwise LIE or VIRTUE SIGNAL in order to preserve the politically-correct status quo or otherwise save face.
Quote from: Android on March 20, 2018, 09:39:40 PMThis could be because men are expected to make the first move, so women on the receiving end are more inclined to complain. Being bombarded by a type of person that you're not attracted to would brew resentment (because some will blow up and ask why, why, why); you'd notice a pattern and maybe even construct stereotypes.
I wonder if that means that those who don't use online dating, or social media for that matter, are more forgiving on average.
Phew, I'm tired. Have fun.
Women who don't use online dating or social media are "more forgiving on average" precisely because they don't have access online dating or social media, which are the tools that women use in the modern day that grant them easy access to the most desirable men within a [X] mile radius.
Of course a woman who can't boot up Tinder and sift through thousands of men cherrypicking only the ones that meet their increasingly unrealistic expectations is "more forgiving" and therefore more likely to settle (note the word used here) for a man she isn't genuinely physically attracted to. That doesn't mean she's somehow "better" than the women who are on Tinder or other social media. It just means she's less well-equipped.
Quote from: CaptainAmerica on March 20, 2018, 08:30:48 PMWake up and smell the coffee man. There are thousands of tweets like this, and this is how society in general views short men. These minority opinions aren't minority opinions, everyone has them underlying but only a few women are vocal and cray enough to voice them. There is no other reason why shorter men are paid less, why they commit suicide twice as much, oh wait I know you probably don't accept those statistics because those short guys weren't "confident and charismatic." I've said it before and I've said it again, people view short men as Danny Devitos/jokes basically and that's why we're here getting LL, I don't care about being tall, I'd just like to be seen NORMALLY.
100% accurate and exactly what I've been saying on this forum from day one.
"Confidence", "charisma", "personality" are virtue-signalling fantasies of positivity cultists. These things do not exist, or if they do, they are IRRELEVANT when it comes to interpersonal interactions when compared to looks. In point of fact, numerous studies suggest that "confidence" and "personality" are in fact a function of your LOOKS, which includes your height:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/per.2087
QuoteAbstract
We evaluated five competing hypotheses about what predicts romantic interest. Through a half‐block quasi‐experimental design, a large sample of young adults (i.e. responders; n = 335) viewed videos of opposite‐sex persons (i.e. targets) talking about themselves, and responders rated the targets' traits and their romantic interest in the target. We tested whether similarity, dissimilarity or overall trait levels on mate value, physical attractiveness, life history strategy and the Big Five personality factors predicted romantic interest at zero acquaintance and whether sex acted as a moderator. We tested the responders' individual perception of the targets' traits, in addition to the targets' own self‐reported trait levels and a consensus rating of the targets made by the responders. We used polynomial regression with response surface analysis within multilevel modelling to test support for each of the hypotheses. Results suggest a large sex difference in trait perception; when women rated men, they agreed in their perception more often than when men rated women. However, as a predictor of romantic interest, there were no sex differences. Only the responders' perception of the targets' physical attractiveness predicted romantic interest; specifically, responders' who rated the targets' physical attractiveness as higher than themselves reported more romantic interest.
https://theblog.okcupid.com/we-experiment-on-human-beings-5dd9fe280cd5
QuoteHere’s some data I dug up from the backup tapes. Each dot here is a person. The two scores are within a half point of each other for 92% of the sample after just 25 votes (and that percentage approaches 100% as vote totals get higher).
In short, according to our users, “looks” and “personality” were the same thing, which of course makes perfect sense because, you know, this young female account holder, with a 99th percentile personality:
What you say/the way you talk ("GAME") doesn't matter:
QuoteAfter we got rid of the two scales, and replaced it with just one, we ran a direct experiment to confirm our hunch — that people just look at the picture. We took a small sample of users and half the time we showed them, we hid their profile text. That generated two independent sets of scores for each profile, one score for “the picture and the text together” and one for “the picture alone.” Here’s how they compare. Again, each dot is a user. Essentially, the text is less than 10% of what people think of you.
So, your picture is worth that fabled thousand words, but your actual words are worth…almost nothing.
CONCLUSION: "Confidence", "personality", "game", "charisma", etc are all just codewords for being conventionally attractive - that means facially handsome, tall, etc.
The sooner everyoneone with a looks-related issue internalizes this, the sooner they'll start demanding actual solutions (i.e. more and better surgeries) to solve their problems rather than coping with a ton of bullsh*t that will NEVER, EVER come close to solving anything ("therapy", "working on your 'confidence'", etc)
Quote from: extremis on March 22, 2018, 04:38:12 PMThis is by far the stupidest and most irresponsible cope I've heard uttered either by short men or by others toward short men. Reproducing with a tall woman doesn't guarantee having tall children. There are people on this forum whose parents are taller than them, for fk's sake.
There's no way you could spin this plan to make it sound like it isn't a massive and potentially damaging (toward the offspring) cope. Eugenically selecting a tall woman for "tall offspring" won't solve your problems. You will still be short, people will still humiliate and demean you, (possibly even more now that you have a woman who dwarfs you in size), nothing in your life will change. If you get incredibly lucky and your offspring inherit the woman's genes, then THEY will have a great life, but that's none of YOUR business and you don't have the right to feel good or proud about that because it has nothing to do with YOU. Claims to the contrary essentially boil down to living vicariously through your child, which I doubt even the worst virtue-signallers on this forum or outside it would try to pass off as "moral".
The one and only solution for men who are short is getting taller.
But this is exactly what short women generally do. And I didn't say it was for "tall offspring". They tend to go for the taller males so they have average height offspring. I'm not suggesting to stay with a woman just because she is tall, but was suggesting to maybe to focus your attempts (if you are thick-skinned against ridicule and rejection) towards the taller women. The chances are low, but you could find someone you click with among the tall ones, and have most likely average height children.
And I've already mentioned I generally somewhat agree with your last point, but then what? Imagine you got as tall as you wanted to be. You still have short genes. If you want to have kids and not want to risk a short man existence for them, then you need to analyze your options. I see it as thinking of the kid's future, which I'm sure is what many short women do.
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