Quote from: myloginacct on March 22, 2018, 05:06:22 PMBut this is exactly what short women generally do.
The difference is short women don't do it so they can live vicariously through their offspring. They do it because they're attracted to tall men (just like the overwhelming majority of women who do not have some weird, disgusting fetish or another). Their short stature is tangential. They'd want a tall man no matter what their height, unless they've got a weird fetish.
In general, short women's lives are nowhere near as miserable as short men's are, and they do not face anywhere near the same amount of discrimination as short men do (I don't think anyone will contest this).
QuoteAnd I didn't say it was for "tall offspring". They tend to go for the taller males so they have average height offspring.
They tend to go for taller males because women are attracted to tall men. Women aren't consciously selecting tall men because they're thinking about the height of their offspring. Sexual dimorphism is attractive on a SUBCONSCIOUS level.
QuoteI'm not suggesting to stay with a woman just because she is tall, but was suggesting to maybe to focus your attempts (if you are thick-skinned against ridicule and rejection) towards the taller women. The chances are low, but you could find someone you click with among the tall ones, and have most likely average height children.
Do you seriously, sincerely, truly, believe that there's a single person on a site called "LIMB LENGTHENING FORUM" where people make plans to pay tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to have their legs broken with a hammer and chisel, then slowly distracted over months of time, suffering massive amounts of pain, discomfort, inconvenience, and permanent loss of physical ability, all based on their negative experiences due to their stature, who is "thick skinned against ridicule and rejection"?
QuoteAnd I've already mentioned I generally somewhat agree with your last point, but then what? Imagine you got as tall as you wanted to be. You still have short genes. If you want to have kids and not want to risk a short man existence for them, then you need to analyze your options. I see it as thinking of the kid's future, which I'm sure is what many short women do.
This isn't a problem for me personally as I do not want kids or marriage, but it honestly won't be a problem for the majority of people today either.
By the time most young (late teens to 20's) short men today are ready to have children (say around their early 30's), new and superior methods to fix idiopathic short stature will either already have been developed or will be close enough to being released that by the time the child needs them (10-12 years later, when the child is just prepubertal or at the onset of puberty), they will be available.
Gen Z (I think that's right? children born in mid 2000's) is most likely the last generation that will have real problems with fixing their stature through their teen years and into adulthood (20's - 30's).
Either way, if you're really concerned about the child's future, the solution is not to have children, at least until you have a means to guarantee they will be tall. Eugenically selecting a tall woman to have children with does not in any way guarantee that your child will be tall or even average height. If you think so, you don't understand how genetic recombination works. There is a PERFECTLY GOOD chance your child will be your height or close to it.
Breeding with a tall woman is nothing more than lightly loading the dice you're using to play with an unborn child's life. And all of this most likely at the cost of an even more unpleasant life for you - going out in public with a woman who dwarfs you is sure to get you treated even worse than you usually are as a short man. Tall woman/short man relationships are NOTHING like interracial or homosexual relationships where people virtue-signal and remark how "beautiful" or "progressive" it is. You're going to get a lot of sh*t talking, put downs, general microaggressions, and it's going to get old VERY quick, for both parties (short man and tall woman).
That kind of "height mismatch" relationship is mostly a novelty and rarely lasts.
The attractiveness dichotomy: men like tall women, yet the opposite is not true
Quote from: extremis on March 22, 2018, 09:31:14 PMDo you seriously, sincerely, truly, believe that there's a single person on a site called "LIMB LENGTHENING FORUM" where people make plans to pay tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to have their legs broken with a hammer and chisel, then slowly distracted over months of time, suffering massive amounts of pain, discomfort, inconvenience, and permanent loss of physical ability, all based on their negative experiences due to their stature, who is "thick skinned against ridicule and rejection"?
There is. People come into this forum when they're desperate or young (or both) and then - believe it or not - some of them develop, progress and grow (no, not in a physical sense) and simply don't care about some stupid height jokes anymore. Some short(er) people have never experienced serious forms of discrimination. Some people simply don't like being short because they're shorter than their fathers or cousins or because they don't like how being short looks in comparison to taller people. Some of these people leave the forum while others stay, because surgery and scientific inventions that could make you taller still seem intriguing. This is a public forum as you said, there isn't a "you have to be this depressed and suicidal" test that users have to pass to enter. People have told you this several times, but you simply refuse to listen. It's so sad.
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on March 22, 2018, 09:41:36 PMThere is. People come into this forum when they're desperate or young (or both) and then - believe it or not - some of them develop, progress and grow (no, not in a physical sense) and simply don't care about some stupid height jokes anymore. Some short(er) people have never experienced serious forms of discrimination. Some people simply don't like being short because they're shorter than their fathers or cousins or because they don't like how being short looks in comparison to taller people. Some of these people leave the forum while others stay, because surgery and scientific inventions that could make you taller still seem intriguing. This is a public forum as you said, there isn't a "you have to be this depressed and suicidal" test that users have to pass to enter. People have told you this several times, but you simply refuse to listen. It's so sad.
There is a reason a lot of people left this forum. Nobody wants to stay in this pitiful craphole
Quote from: extremis on March 22, 2018, 09:31:14 PMThey tend to go for taller males because women are attracted to tall men. Women aren't consciously selecting tall men because they're thinking about the height of their offspring. sxxual dimorphism is attractive on a SUBCONSCIOUS level.
Actually, sadly, that's not even always the case. I don't know if you find this better or worse. The reasoning.
To use my own argument against myself, though: biased sample of one.
Quote from: extremis on March 22, 2018, 09:31:14 PMThe difference is short women don't do it so they can live vicariously through their offspring. They do it because they're attracted to tall men (just like the overwhelming majority of women who do not have some weird, disgusting fetish or another). Their short stature is tangential. They'd want a tall man no matter what their height, unless they've got a weird fetish.
In general, short women's lives are nowhere near as miserable as short men's are, and they do not face anywhere near the same amount of discrimination as short men do (I don't think anyone will contest this).
They tend to go for taller males because women are attracted to tall men. Women aren't consciously selecting tall men because they're thinking about the height of their offspring. sxxual dimorphism is attractive on a SUBCONSCIOUS level.
Do you seriously, sincerely, truly, believe that there's a single person on a site called "LIMB LENGTHENING FORUM" where people make plans to pay tens or even hundreds of thousands of dollars to have their legs broken with a hammer and chisel, then slowly distracted over months of time, suffering massive amounts of pain, discomfort, inconvenience, and permanent loss of physical ability, all based on their negative experiences due to their stature, who is "thick skinned against ridicule and rejection"?
This isn't a problem for me personally as I do not want kids or marriage, but it honestly won't be a problem for the majority of people today either.
By the time most young (late teens to 20's) short men today are ready to have children (say around their early 30's), new and superior methods to fix idiopathic short stature will either already have been developed or will be close enough to being released that by the time the child needs them (10-12 years later, when the child is just prepubertal or at the onset of puberty), they will be available.
Gen Z (I think that's right? children born in mid 2000's) is most likely the last generation that will have real problems with fixing their stature through their teen years and into adulthood (20's - 30's).
Either way, if you're really concerned about the child's future, the solution is not to have children, at least until you have a means to guarantee they will be tall. Eugenically selecting a tall woman to have children with does not in any way guarantee that your child will be tall or even average height. If you think so, you don't understand how genetic recombination works. There is a PERFECTLY GOOD chance your child will be your height or close to it.
Breeding with a tall woman is nothing more than lightly loading the dice you're using to play with an unborn child's life. And all of this most likely at the cost of an even more unpleasant life for you - going out in public with a woman who dwarfs you is sure to get you treated even worse than you usually are as a short man. Tall woman/short man relationships are NOTHING like interracial or homosxxual relationships where people virtue-signal and remark how "beautiful" or "progressive" it is. You're going to get a lot of sh*t talking, put downs, general microaggressions, and it's going to get old VERY quick, for both parties (short man and tall woman).
That kind of "height mismatch" relationship is mostly a novelty and rarely lasts.
Also, the genetics of height is very complex.
Quote from: myloginacct on March 23, 2018, 02:01:38 AMTo use my own argument against myself, though: biased sample of one.
Here's one more!
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on March 22, 2018, 09:41:36 PMThere is. People come into this forum when they're desperate or young (or both) and then - believe it or not - some of them develop, progress and grow (no, not in a physical sense) and simply don't care about some stupid height jokes anymore.
People who have actually "developed, progressed and grown" and "don't care about their height" anymore don't stay here, they leave. We have an excellent case study in the form of actual limb lengthening veterans - people who have actually GOTTEN their surgery, the people who posted their diaries on here and makemetaller.
These people get their surgery, they finish, then they leave and never come back. THAT'S what people do when they "get over" their height. You don't "develop, progress and grow" by staying mired in a forum populated largely by chronic ruminators and neurotics.
QuoteSome short(er) people have never experienced serious forms of discrimination. Some people simply don't like being short because they're shorter than their fathers or cousins or because they don't like how being short looks in comparison to taller people.
If this is the case, they haven't "developed, progressed or grown"; by definition this sort of person has self-esteem/self-image issues and therefore does not fall into the category of people who would be "thick skinned against ridicule and rejection".
QuoteSome of these people leave the forum while others stay, because surgery and scientific inventions that could make you taller still seem intriguing. This is a public forum as you said, there isn't a "you have to be this depressed and suicidal" test that users have to pass to enter. People have told you this several times, but you simply refuse to listen. It's so sad.
Lmao. You say it as though this forum is like hair loss or penis enlargement forums where there's lively and regularly occurring discourse about novel techniques, research, etc related to their respective problems happening on the daily. As I type this, there's ONE (1) thread in the Limb Lengthening Discussions subforum about a novel surgical procedure that could potentially be related to limb lengthening.
The rest are a ton of threads about some guy who apparently got scammed by a Turkish doctor, a 5'3" girl wondering if limb lengthening will make her calves smaller (lmfao) and other questions or posts about how/where/when/etc to get distraction osteogenesis.
Off-topic section is full of BruceWayne's neurotic nonsense, miscellaneous idle chit-chat (or as it's called in certain old forums, sh*tposting - stuff like "when did you stop growing?", "imagine being this tall", "changes in height over the last 100 years") tangentially related to height that usually devolve into arguments (this thread is a good example of this), and posts about books/analyses on heightism and its ramifications in society (as if anyone here doesn't already know it exists).
Just lol, dude. Get real.
What's actually "so sad" is how you're trying to pass this place off as a place for rigorous intellectual discussion and scientific discovery rather than a cross between an emotional dumpster, a mental asylum, and a waiting room in a surgical hospital.
Quote from: myloginacct on March 23, 2018, 02:01:38 AMActually, sadly, that's not even always the case. I don't know if you find this better or worse. The reasoning.
To use my own argument against myself, though: biased sample of one.
While it's fair to say that you've found an example that illustrates your point (there does in fact exist at least one woman who is selectively "breeding" with taller men purely for taller offspring), stingray is a mentally ill neurotic.
The same goes for any woman who pursues cosmetic limb lengthening, in the general case. Even short women who are discriminated in the workplace based on their height don't pursue limb lengthening in the general case. Most would rather sue or just quit and work somewhere else. Short stature isn't a death sentence for women the way it is for men. It's not even close.
When normal, non-neurotic women pursue taller men, it's primarily and overwhelmingly due to genuine physical attraction created subconsciously by sexual dimorphism. I concede that somewhere in the back of her mind she might be thinking about how it'd be nice that her children would be likely to be taller, but she isn't consciously practicing eugenic selection with the central goal of having taller kids. That's asinine and ridiculous.
Quote from: myloginacct on March 23, 2018, 03:01:04 AMAlso, the genetics of height is very complex.
No need to point this out. I say this with zero intention of bragging or "showing off": I'm probably more well-read on the genetic, endocrine, and other factors governing human height than any of the posters on this board, at least those I've seen post about it. I am and have been a regular on several forums focused on endocrinology, human growth and development, performance enhancement compounds (DatBTrue forums, several anabolic androgenic steroid forums, etc), genetics and biology, etc since I first became aware of the monumental importance of height (in my case, that would've been my mid teens).
The thread you recently posted about the use of rHGH (the relevant compound is actually IGF-1, but whatever) and aromatase inhibitors is old news to me. I knew about these and various other more fringe/experimental compounds as far back as 2012 and did copious amounts of """research""" with them on a particularly eager """lab rat""" (if you understand my meaning) in an attempt to grow taller. It of course didn't work because my """lab rat""" was already done developing by the time I was able to actually get my hands on them.
Quote from: extremis on March 23, 2018, 05:29:44 AMPeople who have actually "developed, progressed and grown" and "don't care about their height" anymore don't stay here, they leave. We have an excellent case study in the form of actual limb lengthening veterans - people who have actually GOTTEN their surgery, the people who posted their diaries on here and makemetaller.
If this is the case, they haven't "developed, progressed or grown"; by definition this sort of person has self-esteem/self-image issues and therefore does not fall into the category of people who would be "thick skinned against ridicule and rejection".
Your problem is that you're unable to think beyond extremes. You don't have to be able to "not care abut your height" for it to be an improvement. Let's say a guy is so troubled and unhappy with his height that it's occupying 80% of his free time. He barely can enjoy his life because height is almost always present on his mind. After some dedication to "development, progress and growth" (even though you obviously scoff at the idea of it) he's only bothered by his height in 30% of his free time. The problem is not completely gone and he still has self-image issues, but he now has more time in real contentment and is a happier human being overall. That's a big improvement. Do you understand that?
And yes, one can make massive improvements and still be insecure about his height and even visit LL forums. Humans are massively more complex than just "self-confident, happy guy" versus "insecure, ridiculed, rejected guy with self-esteem issues". The day has 24 hours and that's a lot of time for a lot of different mental states to be in. But I don't believe you want to understand.
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on March 23, 2018, 10:22:38 AMYour problem is that you're unable to think beyond extremes. You don't have to be able to "not care abut your height" for it to be an improvement. Let's say a guy is so troubled and unhappy with his height that it's occupying 80% of his free time. He barely can enjoy his life because height is almost always present on his mind. After some dedication to "development, progress and growth" (even though you obviously scoff at the idea of it) he's only bothered by his height in 30% of his free time. The problem is not completely gone and he still has self-image issues, but he now has more time in real contentment and is a happier human being overall. That's a big improvement. Do you understand that?
And the same person could be way more "content" and a much "happier human being overall" if they left the forum for good instead of staying here because the majority of people on this forum aren't delusional positivity-cultists like you. Instead, they're generally unhappy people planning to have surgery to try and address their problem. Do you understand that?
It's really annoying how you're so condescending and patronizing despite the fact that you're essentially a cultist trying to turn this site into a hugbox rather than what it is: a site for discussing LIMB LENGTHENING.
QuoteAnd yes, one can make massive improvements and still be insecure about his height and even visit LL forums. Humans are massively more complex than just "self-confident, happy guy" versus "insecure, ridiculed, rejected guy with self-esteem issues". The day has 24 hours and that's a lot of time for a lot of different mental states to be in. But I don't believe you want to understand.
And yes, you would make much more massive improvements by LEAVING forums like this, which are ostensibly full not of people like you (positivity cultists), but rather unhappy people. The matter isn't as complicated as you desperately want it to be. People are less unhappy when they spend less time in toxic environments, which is what this is, so if you want to cope and be a "more positive human being" or whatever garbage you believe in, the best course of action is to vanish from this site and all sites like it, stop thinking about your height, and immerse yourself in hobbies or whatever cope you need to live your life as a short man. But I don't believe you want to understand.
And that belief is pretty valid given the fact you chose to completely ignore my (accurate) points about the typical content posted on this site. It isn't a "friendly" discussion forum full of quirky, "snarky" imbeciles like Reddit. The neuroses of the posters here are more than clear, and it's pretty obvious no one is happy, because if they were they wouldn't be here.
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
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