The mental illness in the forum

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Quote from: 6FeetSoon on July 05, 2017, 02:19:07 PMSure, but that's because he's got a great life. Most people on here unfortunately do not, so they pick the easiest culprit to blame... stature.
And let's be real, Liam is a horrible actor but it doesn't really matter does it? Aesthetic matters on the west coast. And Luke was actually quite good in Westworld. We'd be lying to ourselves if we don't admit the genetic disparity with his brothers hasn't held him back.

Liam also isn't in a lot of films. There is a reason for that. Chris is a good actor as Thor.
  I am aware of the aesthetic importance of height in the film industry (especially in the US where most today's actors are nothing but dolls to musterbate to).

 He has a great life just like Chris. Liam is dating Miley Cyrus so I wouldn't call that such a great life haha

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Luke is 1.8 metres according to google. There are plenty of shorter actors who are frequently picked for leading roles. His stature probably isn't the problem

EDIT: lol google says his brother Chris is 1.9 metres. There is no way, if they are standing on flat ground, he is only 4 inches shorter than his brother. He is probably around 5'8" or 5'9", in which case yes I see it is probably a problem in those kinds of movies especially. That said the spider-man actors for example have mostly been around 5'8", different character though I guess, but there are some actors who fill "heroic" roles in movies that are shorter than average (also take Kit Harington as Jon Snow in Game of Thrones for example)

Thor I guess is different because he's supposed to be Nordic. Or something like that.

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P.S. I think that someone does have to have some sort of "problem" if they are desperate enough to pay a sleazy doctor (let's be honest anyone who makes money off CLL is sleazy, even the most expensive and best) so much money to break their legs.

But often you can't blame people for this problem, or so I think, but the fact is that arbitrary physical facts hold us all back in life. So it's not fair just to reduce it to a mental health issue- although for some I think it certainly is. I don't particularly want to get involved in this argument, but I question whether some of the already tall or at least solidly average people who did this would get so many benefits from it and whether it was a well thought-out decision on their part.

But I would say body image problems can't exist apart from society

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Quote from: 6FeetSoon on July 05, 2017, 02:02:20 PMI can see why an average height guy like Luke Hemsworth might consider the procedure. He has always been overlooked (quite literally and figuratively) for movie roles, as studio execs would rather have Liam or Chris. I'm pretty confident if his last name weren't Hemsworth, the comparison wouldn't be made and he'd be evaluated on his own merits. Just playing devil's advocate here and making the argument that family ties can and do affect perception in broader society.

You took an exception and wrote about a family of celebrities.
But still your example is not valid as yes, if a studio want to cast an actor to represent a superhero like Thor then they would choose the taller brother.
But if they wanted an actor to portray the average man on a drama or social movie let's say, they would choose the more average brother.

After all, almost all the greatest actors in hollywood and not only were average height or less (Pacino, De niro, Hopkins, Nicholson etc).
So, especially in cinema, the majority of best actors are average height or less.

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You're missing the point. All i'm demonstrating is that comparison to family members is relevant. Who the fck cares about robert deniro or jack nicholson's brothers? We're talking about a trio of family members who are all in the industry and recognizable. Now, remove the celebrity status and make it 3 regular brothers from NYC. You think if the 3 brothers are 6'3, 5'9 and 6'3, that when they go out on the town, the smaller one isnt going to be called out for being so much smaller than his brothers? Of course he is. And thats the original point, if these are people you grow up with and "society" associates you with each other, then it's totally understandable if that brother feels a bit of insecurity.

Quote from: Body Builder on July 05, 2017, 03:15:03 PMYou took an exception and wrote about a family of celebrities.
But still your example is not valid as yes, if a studio want to cast an actor to represent a superhero like Thor then they would choose the taller brother.
But if they wanted an actor to portray the average man on a drama or social movie let's say, they would choose the more average brother.

After all, almost all the greatest actors in hollywood and not only were average height or less (Pacino, De niro, Hopkins, Nicholson etc).
So, especially in cinema, the majority of best actors are average height or less.

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Quote from: Body Builder on July 05, 2017, 12:56:16 PMOf course they don't.
What matters is society and the average in every aspect has to do with population, not with family members.

After all, if someone is 6 ft and has 2 brothers who are 6.5-6.6 why should he feel inferior to them?
They are the ankwardly tall ones, he has a perfect height.

So no, family, friends, an ex who cheated you with a 7ft guy and all these are bs.
The only reason for someone to do a cosmetic surgery is when he has a real-objective problem.
And someone who has more than average height in his country has no problem at all so he doesn't needs LL no matter what.

What happens in the case that a 5' guy (much lower than average) does not have real-objective problems. What if he has a great career, has good friends, and is able to date pretty women? Is he not allowed to consider LL?

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Quote from: 6FeetSoon on July 05, 2017, 03:31:34 PMYou're missing the point. All i'm demonstrating is that comparison to family members is relevant. Who the fck cares about robert deniro or jack nicholson's brothers? We're talking about a trio of family members who are all in the industry and recognizable. Now, remove the celebrity status and make it 3 regular brothers from NYC. You think if the 3 brothers are 6'3, 5'9 and 6'3, that when they go out on the town, the smaller one isnt going to be called out for being so much smaller than his brothers? Of course he is. And thats the original point, if these are people you grow up with and "society" associates you with each other, then it's totally understandable if that brother feels a bit of insecurity.

You talked about 5.9 which is even less than average.
What about a 6ft brother compared to 2 6.5 brothers?
The one has a great height but the other ones are ankwardly tall. Who has the problem here, the shorter one or tha tallers? Of course the seconds.
So everything has to do with the average person. If you are way taller than average it is not a benefit but a drawback.
And that has nothing to do if you have brothers as tall as dinosaurs. They have the problem, not you.

Biggerdreams, if someone is happy with his life then of course he has no reason to do LL.
But if someone differs a lot from the average person in one or more traits then it is harder to be successful and haooy in his life
A 5ft man is very hard to have successes in all the aspects of his life. The same an 100kg woman, someone with a huge nose and generally people with OBJECTIVE problems.
A more than average height man objectively has no problem with his height so it is insane to do a so hard cosmetic surgery to change it and he has a major possibility to be mentally ill, is it so hard to understand it?

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One thing that I have noticed is that some tall families take a lot of pride in their height. I can imagine that the kid who gets the "short" gene (apparently a statistically 1/5 chance) might feel bad about it if their family brings it up a lot. If people are body shaming  a guy for being the "runt of the litter" I can understand how even an objectively tall guy might start to feel ashamed of his body. I grew up in a family of women and have generally been called "big", despite the fact that I'm short for a man and fairly slim, so this isn't a problem I've experienced, but I can empathise.

I remember talking to a kid on the internet who was 5'10" at 15, predicted to grow to 6'6" (late puberty and set for late growth spurts). He said that he would get LL if he didn't reach that height and his family would help him with that.

At this point I tend to agree with BodyBuilder. The neurosis has reached the point where it is not grounded in objective reality. There is the objective reality that while some women do indeed like short men, or that in some professions being short is actually a bonus, for most of us we can reap greater social rewards by being at least average height or taller. But if a guy is already taller than average, is his height really the objective problem, or is it his own insecurities, or the toxic attitudes of some other people surrounding him? I think it's the latter. That's why there's a qualitative difference.

I'm not knocking on anyone above average height who wants to do LL. It is their life after all. But this is just my feeling on the matter- the sacrifices and potential risks are probably not objectively worth it for someone who is already not likely to be considered short statured, and any negatives might well be better compensated for by therapy or moving away from toxic people who define your worth by your length of bone.

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How stupid is this topic

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Quote from: Body Builder on July 05, 2017, 03:46:01 PMBiggerdreams, if someone is happy with his life then of course he has no reason to do LL.
But if someone differs a lot from the average person in one or more traits then it is harder to be successful and haooy in his life
A 5ft man is very hard to have successes in all the aspects of his life. The same an 100kg woman, someone with a huge nose and generally people with OBJECTIVE problems.
A more than average height man objectively has no problem with his height so it is insane to do a so hard cosmetic surgery to change it and he has a major possibility to be mentally ill, is it so hard to understand it?

So if a 5' man has a successful life he does not have objective problems? Just because he is successful in all aspects doesn't mean he is happy or has healthy self image.

My point is that there is no defining cut off height where this is acceptable or not. Yes it gets exponentially more taboo as you get taller but face it, to the outside world CLL is really taboo anyway. If you don't care what the world thinks about CLL then why should a more than average tall person care what you or I think?