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Hi guys, Ive been researching about LL for about a year now and for the past few years I have been really wanting to get taller badly. However, these few months I've gotten to know many people around the mid 20's-30's. Iam currently 18 and I can say the best way to counter short height is by being way more successful than the people that are way taller than you. If you become confident, succesful, rich and youre full of charisma and decent looking, Height is not a big problem at all. I know many tall and good looking guys that aernt succesful and in fact poor. Of course this depends on what country youre in and the average height, But in my country, It is ok to be short. (not really) Control the things that you can control and be better than the taller people at it. Work on being more succesful than them instead of being depressed everyday about your height. Girls in their early / mid 20's that have started to work will realize height isn't as important and that they would rather have a partner they can depend on and live their life with. I guarantee you most girls that have started to work full time would choose someone that is short in height but richer, more succesful, better personality, etc etc over someone that is just tall and good looking. They would be attracted to your confidence 100%. Work on having the presence of being the tallest (not physically) in the room. Feel free to discuss in the comments below
Quote from: Jake24 on September 23, 2022, 06:04:09 PMHi guys, Ive been researching about LL for about a year now and for the past few years I have been really wanting to get taller badly. However, these few months I've gotten to know many people around the mid 20's-30's. Iam currently 18 and I can say the best way to counter short height is by being way more successful than the people that are way taller than you. If you become confident, succesful, rich and youre full of charisma and decent looking, Height is not a big problem at all. I know many tall and good looking guys that aernt succesful and in fact poor. Of course this depends on what country youre in and the average height, But in my country, It is ok to be short. (not really) Control the things that you can control and be better than the taller people at it. Work on being more succesful than them instead of being depressed everyday about your height. Girls in their early / mid 20's that have started to work will realize height isn't as important and that they would rather have a partner they can depend on and live their life with. I guarantee you most girls that have started to work full time would choose someone that is short in height but richer, more succesful, better personality, etc etc over someone that is just tall and good looking. They would be attracted to your confidence 100%. Work on having the presence of being the tallest (not physically) in the room. Feel free to discuss in the comments below
This isn’t new, most people know that there are other areas in life they can improve in and many of them do and end up with a decent life, good girlfriend, etc. sometimes through some life experiences people end up thinking about height too much and it can become an obessession ( I’ve been through this). There are people who do lengthening even after being successful in other aspects of life but they still have their height that’s always with them which they dislike. Doingitforme was one of those guys and you’ll see some other people in similar positions if you look around on the forum.
You’re 18 so your still pretty young, I hope you don’t have negative experiences related to your height and not obsess over it.
Speaking anecdotally I disagree somewhat. In this response I’m assuming these males are in the US (because that’s what I know), decent looking but not hot, they have good hygiene, dress well, workout etc. but they aren’t super gifted in the face department, just average or slightly above. Also, like you said, this applies to men in their mid 20’s to mid 30’s. I think this age range is important because most people will be out of school, brains fully developed, in the “real world” and looking for a life partner. I’m going to compare how much success/money you need at various heights to have equivalent sized dating pools.
That being established this is what I’ve observed, the shorter you are the success required to balance that out will go up exponentially. For example a 5’9” male making low 6 figures and with decent looks is going to have a large dating pool. But once you get into the “short” category (about 5’6”) to be as attractive as that 5’9” low six figure income male you have to make a lot more, more than double for sure. Status is probably a more accurate variable than money though even though the two almost always go hand in hand. So I’d say if the 5’9” male is a computer programmer with a bachelors degree, then to be equally attractive the 5’6” male has to something like a surgeon. Once you are in the “very short” category (5’3”ish) that becomes extremely difficult to overcome. At that point you are looking at being a B list celebrity or a CEO of a decent sized corporation. I also think once you are that short, the label will never leave you. I know it’s harsh but at that height the way people see you will always be mired by your height. Going below that into the barely or even below 5 foot range I don’t think is possible to overcome. Of course keep in mind that there will always be exceptions but I’m talking equivalent dating pools.
The flip side is being above average height (5’11” to 6’) allows you to work a lower status job like being a teacher or a family therapist to be equivalent to the shorter more successful heights. Going even taller to what most people would consider ideal, the standard “tall” height range (6’1”to 6’3”) I think the equivalent status would be trades, like being a real estate agent or a welder. I don’t think you get much benefit that I’m aware of for being taller than that, the very tall category (6’4” and up) seems to have diminishing returns and actually might not increase attractiveness.
Anyways those are my thoughts and would like to hear anyone elses. I’m not trying to doomer pull anyone, this is just what I’ve observed and could totally be proven wrong. To close out, here are some, mostly anecdotal/ case studies that have influenced my opinions.
Case study on what men women would chose based on height and jobs:
Sketchy data on how much money you need to make based on height:
Quote from: Sambollio on September 23, 2022, 09:25:14 PMSpeaking anecdotally I disagree somewhat. In this response I’m assuming these males are in the US (because that’s what I know), decent looking but not hot, they have good hygiene, dress well, workout etc. but they aren’t super gifted in the face department, just average or slightly above. Also, like you said, this applies to men in their mid 20’s to mid 30’s. I think this age range is important because most people will be out of school, brains fully developed, in the “real world” and looking for a life partner. I’m going to compare how much success/money you need at various heights to have equivalent sized dating pools.
That being established this is what I’ve observed, the shorter you are the success required to balance that out will go up exponentially. For example a 5’9” male making low 6 figures and with decent looks is going to have a large dating pool. But once you get into the “short” category (about 5’6”) to be as attractive as that 5’9” low six figure income male you have to make a lot more, more than double for sure. Status is probably a more accurate variable than money though even though the two almost always go hand in hand. So I’d say if the 5’9” male is a computer programmer with a bachelors degree, then to be equally attractive the 5’6” male has to something like a surgeon. Once you are in the “very short” category (5’3”ish) that becomes extremely difficult to overcome. At that point you are looking at being a B list celebrity or a CEO of a decent sized corporation. I also think once you are that short, the label will never leave you. I know it’s harsh but at that height the way people see you will always be mired by your height. Going below that into the barely or even below 5 foot range I don’t think is possible to overcome. Of course keep in mind that there will always be exceptions but I’m talking equivalent dating pools.
The flip side is being above average height (5’11” to 6’) allows you to work a lower status job like being a teacher or a family therapist to be equivalent to the shorter more successful heights. Going even taller to what most people would consider ideal, the standard “tall” height range (6’1”to 6’3”) I think the equivalent status would be trades, like being a real estate agent or a welder. I don’t think you get much benefit that I’m aware of for being taller than that, the very tall category (6’4” and up) seems to have diminishing returns and actually might not increase attractiveness.
Anyways those are my thoughts and would like to hear anyone elses. I’m not trying to doomer pull anyone, this is just what I’ve observed and could totally be proven wrong. To close out, here are some, mostly anecdotal/ case studies that have influenced my opinions.
Case study on what men women would chose based on height and jobs:
Sketchy data on how much money you need to make based on height:
The 5'9 refers to most women. The graph based on this study shows that at 5'9 something about 65% would consider dating you (aka you are judged by other characteristics and not disqualified by your height). This is why I dont understand people here who struggle at 5'8 and above... even according to the most blackpilled study, at 5'8+ at least for 50% of women, your height is fine (maybe not ideal, but fine). This is why also the best risk/benefit ratio for getting this surgery is at the heights of 5'5-5'8 as with 2-3 inches you get to a height where most women wont automatically reject you
Quote from: Jake24 on September 23, 2022, 06:04:09 PMHi guys, Ive been researching about LL for about a year now and for the past few years I have been really wanting to get taller badly. However, these few months I've gotten to know many people around the mid 20's-30's. Iam currently 18 and I can say the best way to counter short height is by being way more successful than the people that are way taller than you. If you become confident, succesful, rich and youre full of charisma and decent looking, Height is not a big problem at all. I know many tall and good looking guys that aernt succesful and in fact poor. Of course this depends on what country youre in and the average height, But in my country, It is ok to be short. (not really) Control the things that you can control and be better than the taller people at it. Work on being more succesful than them instead of being depressed everyday about your height. Girls in their early / mid 20's that have started to work will realize height isn't as important and that they would rather have a partner they can depend on and live their life with. I guarantee you most girls that have started to work full time would choose someone that is short in height but richer, more succesful, better personality, etc etc over someone that is just tall and good looking. They would be attracted to your confidence 100%. Work on having the presence of being the tallest (not physically) in the room. Feel free to discuss in the comments below
You don't understand. I am 5'2.5. I can literally be the CEO of Toontown and still I will be judged on my height. This personality, success, riches works only in the movies.
Keep in mind I was also 22 and invested in stocks. I made 6 figures in 5 minutes. I am studying an advanced degree. I have more in my bank account than others my age. I have absolutely no debt at all. Yet, women are repulsed by me. Other men do not respect me at all.
Quote from: shortisnotfun on September 23, 2022, 10:15:33 PMYou don't understand. I am 5'2.5. I can literally be the CEO of Toontown and still I will be judged on my height. This personality, success, riches works only in the movies.
Keep in mind I was also 22 and invested in stocks. I made 6 figures in 5 minutes. I am studying an advanced degree. I have more in my bank account than others my age. I have absolutely no debt at all. Yet, women are repulsed by me. Other men do not respect me at all.
HEIGHT MATTERS
I think everyone can agree height matters and at your height doing LL would make total sense. You seem like you have the money to do the surgery, is there anything holding you back from doing it?
I can't fulling remember the guys name i think it was infinitestryde or something like that, he was around the same height as you and did LL but he seemed like he did good in life.
Quote from: google42 on September 23, 2022, 10:26:33 PMI think everyone can agree height matters and at your height doing LL would make total sense. You seem like you have the money to do the surgery, is there anything holding you back from doing it?
I can't fulling remember the guys name i think it was infinitestryde or something like that, he was around the same height as you and did LL but he seemed like he did good in life.
Yes, the plan is to do it in December of this year. Can you post his experience?
I cannot wait to get rid of this height neurosis. It's destroyed my life.
