tibia femur proprtion is a huge issue if you do tibiae
what is going to have big adverse consequences is losing dorsiflexion
sweden has issues running because his dorsiflexion is very bad.. he still has a bit of ballerina...
dorsiflexion is the mot important variable when it comes to lengthening tibiae
Sweden has foot equinus and Valgus knees... Of course he is going to have a wierd running... All of the guys that went to those stupid docs in india and some in russia completely destroyed they legs because (1) They went to surgeons that dont know how to use Ilizarov (The simple fact that they got valgus knees from an apparatus that is supposed to fix valgus knees shows how incapable those surgeons are) (2) they didnt solve the equinus foot.
ALL and I mean ALL ex Catagni patients I have spoken to said they returned to previous athletic abilities (with less endurance... Not wierd sensation of movement).
Stop taking into account people who went to surgeons in India
Quote from: theuprising on March 28, 2016, 08:12:23 PMTbike can you go into more depth when you say muscle damage and other changes caused by tibial lengthening. What are these other changes?
Sweden and others I can't remember off top of my head said when they are running with longer tibias that the mechanics are weird in terms of power transference and their running is worse than before. The best running I've seen was Oldiebutgoldie who actually did femur.
The damage is the same as with femoral lengthening. You strech the muscle. If you strech too much, you will lose functionality
That squat mechanics video is awesome, I've seen it before and it helped me much better understand the way my body fits together.
The thing about LL is that if you do femurs re: squats it hurts you in two ways. for starters longer femurs make things trickier biomechanically, but nowhere near impossible. to compensate usually long femured lifters allow their knees to travel forward quite a bit past their toes (as seen in the vid). this requires decent ankle flexibility. We all know that LL can really take a toll there. Longer femurs and significantly much less flexible ankles alone are enougth to make re-developing a decent squat pattern extremely challenging. When you add in broken bones/stretched muscles ... it's no wonder we never see any decent post LL squats.
Quote from: CCMidwest on March 28, 2016, 06:22:02 PMWhy the increase in ballerina risk? Because of the Faster lengthening? The rest of the risks I understand. Tbike, what does Catagni say about thos, have you asked him? (since you're the resident Catagni expert! 
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I don't remember his explanation for why equinus shows up faster in double cut osteotomies. I think it had to do with the muscle tolerating the lengthening worse if distraction is done from two areas on the same segment.
tbike, I'm gonna call you out
You have presented zero evidence that even 1 patient has ever recovered 100% of their pre surgery athletic abilities
Hearsay is not evidence
I have yet to see 1 patient fully recover, and stop bringing up India. You're creating a red herring
I've yet to see 1 patient from ANY Dr fully recover athletic abilities.
You want to believe this, and that's okay
Argument by assertion is a logical fallacy
This surgery is serious. Show me proof anywhere that patients recover 100% of pre surgery athletic abilities
Hearsay and anecdote are not convincing
Quote from: crimsontide on March 28, 2016, 11:04:46 PMtbike, I'm gonna call you out
You have presented zero evidence that even 1 patient has ever recovered 100% of their pre surgery athletic abilities
Hearsay is not evidence
I have yet to see 1 patient fully recover, and stop bringing up India. You're creating a red herring
I've yet to see 1 patient from ANY Dr fully recover athletic abilities.
You want to believe this, and that's okay
Argument by assertion is a logical fallacy
This surgery is serious. Show me proof anywhere that patients recover 100% of pre surgery athletic abilities
Hearsay and anecdote are not convincing
That's what Catagni ex patients told me via e-mail and on the phone. By your logic I should presume that your outcome is the common one? Call me out.. On what exactly?
Your reply only proves my point
You didn't even meet these people. You spoke to people you don't know by email and phone, and that is the proof?
Not very convincing
I need actual scientific studies done with rigorous testing of pre and post surgery athletic abilities
Quote from: crimsontide on March 28, 2016, 11:14:22 PMYour reply only proves my point
You didn't even meet these people. You spoke to people you don't know by email and phone, and that is the proof?
Not very convincing
I need actual scientific studies done with rigorous testing of pre and post surgery athletic abilities
Where are your scientific studies about how horrible is ATL? You have said there are tons of studies that show how harmful it is, yet you never posted one. I look on the web and found two being done with people suffering from neuromuscular disease.
I can understand your grief by your awful decision of docs... Dont throw it on others thx 
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