I don't like it when mommy and daddy fight....
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 29, 2016, 12:15:06 AMI actually told catagni about your case with Shah. He doesnt remember who the doc is to be honest.
Yes so Catagni is also incompetent... I get where this is going.
Let's agree to disagree
I wish you a good and fast recovery
Or he could have lied to you to save face.
Actually, no, that's not my conclusion
My thinking is the following
This surgery is very dependent on genetics.
You can have a decent outcome or bad outcome
Considering the risks involved with every surgeon, it's not worth the risk to get this surgery, since we are taking a healthy fully functional person, and likely reducing functionality, even if minimally
Quote from: crimsontide on March 29, 2016, 12:17:55 AMActually, no, that's not my conclusion
My thinking is the following
This surgery is very dependent on genetics.
You can have a decent outcome or bad outcome
Considering the risks involved with every surgeon, it's not worth the risk to get this surgery, since we are taking a healthy fully functional person, and likely reducing functionality, even if minimally
I also believe it's very very individualy dependent. BUT it also does depends on the surgeon. The better the surgeon, the lower the surgeon related risks
Had no idea that the king of LL Paley and also other high ranking doc Rozbruch believe ATL prevents full recovery. This sort of information needs to be spread, so many times ATL mentioned as no big deal. It would help alot of potential LL patients.
Crimon you're 100% right. I asked Tbike the exact same things you are and he dodged the question
Quote" ... But if I was considering surgery I'd want some evidence of post surgery athleticism. Not just walking and jogging.
And (you need) more information about the patients too. The average person is overweight and slow. If an overweight slow person who never does anything athletic has the surgery and is back to their life of just walking ... well, that doesn't tell me much because their lifestyle and expectations are nothing like the ones I have for myself. "
God help you if you're basing your decision on what a few people have said in an email to you. Unless there's proof their words are worthless. Recovery to them might just mean being able to walk again and not much more.
Quote from: Thatdude950 on March 29, 2016, 01:56:40 AMCrimon you're 100% right. I asked Tbike the exact same things you are and he dodged the question
God help you if you're basing your decision on what a few people have said in an email to you. Unless there's proof their words are worthless. Recovery to them might just mean being able to walk again and not much more.
What question do I avoid? If I have research about athletic recovery after LL? Nope I dont... Never said I did
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 29, 2016, 02:15:49 AMWhat question do I avoid? If I have research about athletic recovery after LL? Nope I dont... Never said I did
In this thread you stated that ex Catagni patients who have lengthened their tibias between 7-8 cm have
made full athletic recoveries
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1584.93
Although in the thread with Thatdude950 when pushed for proof the best you came up with is that
they are happy and back to work. You could have easily stated what you did above.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3069.msg50927#msg50927
It seems inconsistent.
Quote from: theuprising on March 29, 2016, 02:49:13 AMIn this thread you stated that ex Catagni patients who have lengthened their tibias between 7-8 cm have
made full athletic recoveries
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1584.93
Although in the thread with Thatdude950 when pushed for proof the best you came up with is that
they are happy and back to work. You could have easily stated what you did above.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3069.msg50927#msg50927
It seems inconsistent.
They said they got back to pre LL levels. I have spoken with Lumier via phone and he said he is back also with athletic performance. I presume that by saying I got to what was before it means what it means. You want to make me a liar or inconsistant? Go for it. I understand your caution about this thing but please, dont throw it on me. I am having the exact same fears as every other potential LL patient
Quote from: theuprising on March 29, 2016, 02:49:13 AMIn this thread you stated that ex Catagni patients who have lengthened their tibias between 7-8 cm have
made full athletic recoveries
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=1584.93
Although in the thread with Thatdude950 when pushed for proof the best you came up with is that
they are happy and back to work. You could have easily stated what you did above.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=3069.msg50927#msg50927
It seems inconsistent.
Is he supposed to give away confidential email and phone numbers for the patients he spoke to?
I have spoke with 2 different patients of Dr. Paley's, I would not be able to prove they are fine (and they are), because the only thing I have is their word and seeing them walk and such. I also would not give out their contact info.
How exactly would I prove this?
How exactly is Tbike supposed to prove this?
Y'all are asking for something which does not exist. There are no studies of athletic ability post LL, and y'all know it. Which is part of the reason this forum exists, to provide that feedback.
That is also why patient interviews are SO important before getting LL.
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 29, 2016, 02:55:20 AMThey said they got back to pre LL levels. I have spoken with Lumier via phone and he said he is back also with athletic performance. I presume that by saying I got to what was before it means what it means. You want to make me a liar or inconsistant? Go for it. I understand your caution about this thing but please, dont throw it on me. I am having the exact same fears as every other potential LL patient
Your making claims about athletic recovery that have never been backed up by any other patients in the history of both forums to my knowledge. Surely you would understand there would be some skepticism of your statements. No need to play the victim just searching for answers.
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