If you cannot guarantee your prospective offspring(s) with the fact that they won't suffer, be afflicted with illness, sadness, existential dread and injuries then you shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
Philosopher David Benatar presents in his book “Better Never to Have Been” an asymmetry that exists between existence and non-existence. I can not outline his whole work on here; I recommend reading his book if you want to know the big picture.
Put simply, the asymmetry illustrates how not existing is preferable over existing in any case. When you exist, you experience positive things, which is good, and negative things, which is bad. When you do not exist, you do not experience negative things, which is good. You also do not experience positive things, which is not bad, though, as not experiencing good things is only perceived as suffering when it is deprivation. Besides what are you being deprived of when you never had existed in the first place?
Not to mention they didn't even consented on being born in the first place.
Thus, non-existence is preferable as you do not experience suffering and are also not able to miss the delights you miss out on. To put it in a rather humorous way as an analogy: Have you ever felt pity for the poor non-existent inhabitants of Ernst Thälmann Island, for they can not behold the beautiful Caribbean beaches? How about the non existent incel that would be snooping around esoteric height growing or face fixing forums in the hopes of finding a girlfriend?
The only reason people reproduce is because of tradition and also because it feels good to fŭck which is one reason people tout the reproduce is "muh human rightz" (willingly passing on their sħitty disability inducing genetics thus condemning their children to a life of misery), had they even put in a modicum amount of thought none would be able to rationalize such a stupid decision in the first place.
Had you not existed you wouldn't have to worry about your height, your looks or women finding you attractive to begin with.
Who also needs this surgery for girlfriend's mother like me??
Quote from: ZUCC420 on November 10, 2020, 06:18:41 PMIf you cannot guarantee your prospective offspring(s) with the fact that they won't suffer, be afflicted with illness, sadness, existential dread and injuries then you shouldn't be having kids in the first place.
No one should have children, then, because there is no guarantee. My wife’s co-worker and her husband are both perfectly healthy, intelligent, and attractive. Their first child is also perfectly healthy, intelligent, and attractive. Their second child was born with a congenital disease and will never be able to lead a normal life.
And yes, a really short couple will most probably have a short child. But even a tall couple can, in rare cases, have a short child. Although my wife is not short, she’s significantly shorter than her mom even though her dad is close to 200 cm (and yes, it’s her real dad because she looks very much like him), most probably because her grandmother is really short. Again, there’s no guarantee.
Plus, even if your child ends up short, he/she can still have a great life. Of course, you can’t assume that your child is going to become a pop star, but do you think that Bruno Mars or Ariana Grande would rather not exist? On the other hand, there are people whose life seems perfect but who are still depressed (e.g., Chris Cornell). Again, there’s just no guarantee.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on November 10, 2020, 06:18:41 PMThe only reason people reproduce is because of tradition and also because it feels good to fŭck
When I was suffering from hypogonadism in my late teens, one doctor told me I might not be able to have children. At that time, I didn’t give a damn because, like you, I didn’t understand why someone would want to reproduce in the first place. Fortunately, that doctor was wrong, and everything went back to normal a few years later. Nowadays, I can say that being a father and watching my child grow up is the most beautiful thing in the world, and I’d rather be 150 cm than no longer be able to see my child smile at me when I wake up in the morning. So it’s not always all about tradition or the fact that it feels good to have sxx (which also feels good if your partner is on birth control).
(Just my two cents, I’m not looking to start another fight with you.)
Height genes are pretty much random these days. You can have tall children even though you're short especially if you are Asian.
Look at the following example. How small the dad is on the right. And all the 3 sons are easily TALL AND BIG.
Trust me guys we're not allowed to have no children.I've said both I and my gf don't wanna have any children because we know how miserable our children will be but we have no other alternatives.So please don't criticize.I know how stubborn her mother is.
BTW genevariations are of little possibilities so don't illusion that.I do never let go of my gf because of our children being short.That's impossible i swear.If my children are as short as me I'll afford them to do LL or anything else but of course yet I hope they can grow healthily in mental and fall in love like me.But if height was the blockage,I'll help them.So unless we persuade her families out of having babies,we have to have babies,which fights against our willings.So whether we will have children is not our faults.So blahblah in this thread is meaningless(I also found this thread had stirred up some major problems...)
Quote from: 有匪君子 on November 11, 2020, 02:19:42 AM Trust me guys we're not allowed to have no children.I've said both I and my gf don't wanna have any children because we know how miserable our children will be but we have no other alternatives.So please don't criticize.I know how stubborn her mother is.
BTW genevariations are of little possibilities so don't illusion that.I do never let go of my gf because of our children being short.That's impossible i swear.If my children are as short as me I'll afford them to do LL or anything else but of course yet I hope they can grow healthily in mental and fall in love like me.But if height was the blockage,I'll help them.So unless we persuade her families out of having babies,we have to have babies,which fights against our willings.So whether we will have children is not our faults.So blahblah in this thread is meaningless(I also found this thread had stirred up some major problems...)
There's also something called HGH.
Quote from: HobbesTheDog on November 11, 2020, 05:54:00 AMThere's also something called HGH.
HGH can only be used for those who are lack of GH(Actually I had a friend who did tell me that and of course he used HGH in the childhood) and I did research relative informantion long time ago for more height.
Pretty sure you can use it for familial short stature.
I know of a guy (ghkid2019) who did HGH and got an inch. He would have gotten more had he started earlier. Endocrinologists in the US also prescribe HGH.
Quote from: Harmonica on November 06, 2020, 11:54:35 AM"Who also needs this surgery for girlfriend's mother like me??"
No one. Because no one else is idiotic enough to think like that.
Aha the irony!! Isn't all of us are doing it for some idiotic reason or another? At least OP has a noble reason - they say 'everything is fair in love and war', On the flip side we can also say 'love is blind' 
Quote from: NotSoBigBadBruin on November 10, 2020, 11:05:30 PMNo one should have children, then, because there is no guarantee. My wife’s co-worker and her husband are both perfectly healthy, intelligent, and attractive. Their first child is also perfectly healthy, intelligent, and attractive. Their second child was born with a congenital disease and will never be able to lead a normal life.
And yes, a really short couple will most probably have a short child. But even a tall couple can, in rare cases, have a short child. Although my wife is not short, she’s significantly shorter than her mom even though her dad is close to 200 cm (and yes, it’s her real dad because she looks very much like him), most probably because her grandmother is really short. Again, there’s no guarantee.
Plus, even if your child ends up short, he/she can still have a great life. Of course, you can’t assume that your child is going to become a pop star, but do you think that Bruno Mars or Ariana Grande would rather not exist? On the other hand, there are people whose life seems perfect but who are still depressed (e.g., Chris Cornell). Again, there’s just no guarantee.
When I was suffering from hypogonadism in my late teens, one doctor told me I might not be able to have children. At that time, I didn’t give a damn because, like you, I didn’t understand why someone would want to reproduce in the first place. Fortunately, that doctor was wrong, and everything went back to normal a few years later. Nowadays, I can say that being a father and watching my child grow up is the most beautiful thing in the world, and I’d rather be 150 cm than no longer be able to see my child smile at me when I wake up in the morning. So it’s not always all about tradition or the fact that it feels good to have sxx (which also feels good if your partner is on birth control).
(Just my two cents, I’m not looking to start another fight with you.)
Yap all of this is addressed in the video I linked, which is just another post hoc rationalization.
Like Stardusk said they could produce thousands of studies detailing how parents are unhappy than non parents of the same age but people will still reproduce because it is inevitably a result of our evolution, it's coded in the DNA of the majority of people to want to have kids as ultimately people's instincts supplants reason.
Quote from: Infinity on November 11, 2020, 10:04:35 AMAha the irony!! Isn't all of us are doing it for some idiotic reason or another? At least OP has a noble reason - they say 'everything is fair in love and war', On the flip side we can also say 'love is blind'
Bull . What are you? 12 year old?
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