2021 Surgery of Femur Greece GNail Giotikas

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Any updates on this case?

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The patient in Greece has passed.

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Wow....this is seriously so bad ,poor guy..

I wonder if the doctor has a responsibility in this .
Paley has 0 deaths in his very very long career and we would know if that happened.
Same with Rozbruch etc.

Does weightbearing makes a difference ?

Anyway this is a really sad outcome and thanks to the person who opened this topic .

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He has had multiple lawsuits though... in America it is common.

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Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on November 16, 2021, 06:34:12 PMHe has had multiple lawsuits though... in America it is common.

What is common ?

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It is normal for any surgeon to have complications, even death... even if he performed a close to perfect surgery. In America, patients sue doctors a lot more frequently than in other countries when they have bad results.

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Common to be sued ok..but In US I believe a death in a good surgeon record would really be mainstream .
Maybe I am wrong but if any of the top US cll surgeons had a death in the records by now we would certainly know .
Some things can't be (maybe) avoided , but I am sure there is a correlation between india/Greece--> deaths as it is with best surgeons --> 0 deaths reported in a long career .
Anyway idk...rn it's just sad about the guy ... hope we will have more infos

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Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on November 16, 2021, 06:34:12 PMHe has had multiple lawsuits though... in America it is common.

A good surgeon doesn't have many lawsuits against him even in the US, period!
"Many lawsuits" is not something to be taken lightly because(regardless of whose fault it was) it definitely indicates unhappy patients/complications/negligence/ outcomes below expections etc... I mean, certainly something must have gone wrong for someone to sue his doctor...and if this has happened repeatedly, it certainly shows something, doesnt it?. Do we know what percentage of these lawsuits Paley eventually lost? or what were they related too? I don't belong to those who believe that Paley is the closest thing to God..quite the opposite from what I read here.

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Quote from: Arcon on November 16, 2021, 09:48:52 PMA good surgeon doesn't have many lawsuits against him even in the US, period!
"Many lawsuits" is not something to be taken lightly because(regardless of whose fault it was) it definitely indicates unhappy patients/complications/negligence/ outcomes below expections etc... I mean, certainly something must have gone wrong for someone to sue his doctor...and if this has happened repeatedly, it certainly shows something, doesnt it?. Do we know what percentage of these lawsuits Paley eventually lost? or what were they related too? I don't belong to those who believe that Paley is the closest thing to God..quite the opposite from what I read here.

I don't believe in anyone to be God as well .
As probably prespective patients ,we have to see what doctor has his own interests+ours by his heart.
Paley has made an era and we cannot deny that.
Maybe without him we would not be here talking about CLL as an actuall thing;who knows .
But that said , he is a phenomenal surgeon and a phenomenal entrepreneur, which gets in conflict with our porpuse !
He most likely haven't been performing the surgeries itself since several years but in the field he is the n1 ,due to his experience and skill .
I believe that his bad outcomes (I never heard in this forum of crippled CLL patients by him but correct me if I am wrong) are due to his 0 personal care for the patient and the patient greed itself .
If you stick to the safe zones probably 80% of the ones who had a bad outcome like pains/decreased abilities/not regained full ROM would be way better .
Then you can complain and sue , sure ..but within yourself you know why that happened ...this forum is here to help us /each other not only to share experiences and lucky who gets trough it safely . We are not a Russian roulette.

That's why I would suggest and avoid doctors like betz,guichet,giotikas and many others ; because they dgaf about your outcome .And they barely try to hold u on something but rather agree on your lengthening goal..no matter if its 8 tibia or 10 femurs .
And this is also way I "trust" Dr.Lee more !
I am not by any chance promoting him , he is just my first choiche for this ,and it is because 1) he is skilled like Rozbruch or Paley and 2) he warns you that 8 cm is possible but NOT recommended. He will not shoot you if u aim at 8 but AT LEAST he tells you that , then up to you .
Those nails are for LLD not for CLL therefore LLD patient will benefit from 8 cm but not a CLL .
I went of topic as usual ahahah but point is that according to me , those doctors ,like the one mentioned in this topic ,should ne avoided ..because he performs in a country where you can't do s*** if something goes wrong and they barely care if it does .
10 or 20 k less doesen't worth the risk to me .
So you can sue your doctor , but I doubt that in best hands like Paley and co . The fault is entirely of the surgeon... because if it was he would not be performing by now if he had "multiple" bad cases caused by his poor skill .

Idk but hearing someone died chasing their dreams it's just so sad. Please save up and go to doctors who lower the chances to the maximum possible !
And go to a 1st world country so in case something happens out of your control , at least you can be somehow backed up!

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Based on another post it seems the patient already had a rare underlying condition. I think there was already high risk, irrespective of the doctor.