Quote from: Android on December 31, 2017, 09:58:30 AMYou don't need to wait for a miracle. I mean sure, the odds are worse, but it happens. And hey, money is a great equalizer. Since you mentioned the Philippines, you could be 4'11" and still find plenty of dates if you've got the resources to provide for them (and their family).
If you really don't want kids, I recommend that you list it in your profile. It's like religion, you don't want it to be a dealbreaker later because you can't (and shouldn't) change their mind on the subject. Many good relationships have ended because one person definitely wants kids. You're also effectively turning away women that don't want kids by being deceptive about your decision as well.
There are multiple methods for anesthesia for the procedure: general and regional (spinal and epidural). I'd consult with a doctor on which is right for you and your condition.
Good info, thank you.
I mean I don't list it in my profile. It's listed either as "I'll tell you later" or "No answer". I'm not/wouldn't lie about it. A woman who wants kids would not dive into a serious relationship without knowing my thoughts on it, and I'd be comfortable talking about it prior to that. Honestly not as bad as the short guys who add several inches then "surprise" them in person lol. Although, I would find it funny if I changed my height to 6'3, then met up in person and said "Oh, wow, I must have clicked the wrong number, yeah, it's 5'3 obviously".
PlentyOfFish seems to have the most members, and there are literally 4 pages of girls within a 75 mile radius (15 per page) of women 5'3 and under who don't want children. Half of them have no profile pictures and most haven't been active in ages. All other "Wants children" answers yields 29 pages. So, you can imagine how finding someone not only compatible but also willing to date someone really short seems statistically unlikely.
I dated a girl for ~4 years in my early 20's who was significantly more attractive than myself. 9/10. Perfect face/body, cute personality (had psychological issues holding her back). I remember my height came up (she was probably an inch taller) and she said she wouldn't want to marry someone short/er. When I asked why her answer was "tradition". I think women are capable of being attracted to shorter men but there's definitely a stigma attached to it that turns them off. So it is an attraction issue, just that it's in part influenced by society's views of shorter men. She was the type of girl who cared about what her friends think of her partner's attraction (or at least did at the time). She ended up marrying a guy who's very unattractive. But, he's like 5'11 probably so there's the attraction. As long as women have a taller/bigger man I think many will work with what's there.
The Philippines thing was a joke but on a serious note you could move there and have no problems snagging a really attractive girl. As long as you're not dirt poor, being a foreigner there would feel like being 6' tall. The point is you'd be living in a country where all the other guys are short, too. A Filipino girl in the US would be redundant -- she'd have all the same opportunities as the other girls here to find (and constantly see) taller men. I'd rather be bitter than go through all the trouble to do that, though lol
Psillocybe you seem like a sensible person but there is no reason to think so much about it.
Your height is an unsuroassed obstacle for all your life and especially for dating.
So your choices are to live as an outcast or do LL, and even 2 LLs. For any sensible and a little brave person the second is the only choice.
So imo, do some climical exams to see if you have any problems with anaesthesia and if you are ok, do 2 LLs and live completely normal, as a selfcomplete person.
Quote from: Body Builder on December 31, 2017, 04:54:11 PMSo your choices are to live as an outcast or do LL, and even 2 LLs. For any sensible and a little brave person the second is the only choice.
This is just ridiculous.
Yes there are drawbacks, from smaller ones to major ones, depending on what kind of life he wants to live, but they don't transition into living like an "outcast".
Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on December 31, 2017, 05:09:36 PMThis is just ridiculous.
Yes there are drawbacks, from smaller ones to major ones, depending on what kind of life he wants to live, but they don't transition into living like an "outcast".
In all of his posts he is always saying the same thing but substantially he is saying the truth
We are all here for a reason
Outcast is the wrong word but the concept behind height is right
Wish to all of you a Happy New Year hoping all of us will do leg lengthening and will move on with our lifes.
Quote from: The Dreamer on December 31, 2017, 05:34:39 PMIn all of his posts he is always saying the same thing but substantially he is saying the truth
We are all here for a reason
Outcast is the wrong word but the concept behind height is right
Wish to all of you a Happy New Year hoping all of us will do leg lengthening and will move on with our lifes.
He immensly exaggerates the setbacks for people who are not 5'10+... I can agree that at below 170 it gets harder and harder, but to say that it is extremely difficult to have a normal dating life at 170+ is insane and couldn't be farther from the truth
Having a dating life below 170 is more difficult but quite possible
Quote from: TIBIKE200 on December 31, 2017, 05:47:49 PMHe immensly exaggerates the setbacks for people who are not 5'10+... I can agree that at below 170 it gets harder and harder, but to say that it is extremely difficult to have a normal dating life at 170+ is insane and couldn't be farther from the truth
The op is 1.60.
So yes, for that height you are completely invisible for women so you live as an outcast.
And yes, at 1.70 you can date some women but still things are way harder compared to 1.78+.
If someone thinks that I exaggerate then it is ok. My experiences from 1.68 and 1.75 are the ones I mention.
With 1.68 you are invisible, with 1.75 you are ok but nothing more. Many women still think you as not tall enough for them and if someone is not excellent in all other aspects even 1.75 won't be enough to have a good dating life.
Things change dramatically after 1.80.
1.60 means no erotic life for a man and many other social problems and the only exit from that is LL. And one is not enough.
Thats the harsh truth and I am not here to tell lies but what I see from my experience.
Quote from: psilocybe on December 31, 2017, 04:59:09 AMThanks for all of the interesting responses.
I wouldn't be doing LL for someone else per se. My argument is mainly this: It's hard enough for normal height people to find people they're truly compatible with and connect to. When you take away 95% of women, it doesn't look good statistically. I feel like short of a miracle (no pun intended), my options are 1) Be alone 2) Be with someone who isn't what I'm really looking for but happen to be one of the few who can look past my height (probably because of their own shortcomings) 3) Move to the Philippines (average male height 5'3 IIRC).
Do you mind sharing what you're looking for? I'm not gonna judge.
QuoteI have the money and the time but what's holding me back is the downtime and fear of complications. I had a heart problem when I was 24 (undiagnosed) and have palpitations occasionally. I'm worried off my feet for so long could lead to problems, if not the surgery itself possibly killing me. I'm paranoid about anesthesia. However in another thread I read about that new nail that's supposed to be a weight bearing nail - POSSIBLY for cosmetic LL in the coming years?
I assume you're from the US, right?
Then first you need to see whether you're doing tibias or femurs. You also need to be aware that even after one LL, it still won't be easy for you, but your mobility will have suffered. If you're doing tibias, you probably won't go over 6cm, so you need to analyze whether being 166cm without your old mobility is better than being 160cm with your normal mobility.
Quote from: myloginacct on December 31, 2017, 10:16:07 PMDo you mind sharing what you're looking for? I'm not gonna judge.
I assume you're from the US, right?
Then first you need to see whether you're doing tibias or femurs. You also need to be aware that even after one LL, it still won't be easy for you, but your mobility will have suffered. If you're doing tibias, you probably won't go over 6cm, so you need to analyze whether being 166cm without your old mobility is better than being 160cm with your normal mobility.
Yes, from the US. I'm looking for shyness, introversion, humility. Someone who's a deep thinker, intellectual. I have to assume that girls dating online have more extroverted personalities. Most of them are very outgoing -- or at least think they need to give off the "I'm the most outgoing person in the world" vibe.
I can do both femurs and tibias, no? I'd have to do a mock up but I would assume femurs as from my perspective in a mirror my femurs look much more on the short side than my tibias.
Quote from: Body Builder on December 31, 2017, 08:50:50 PMThats the harsh truth and I am not here to tell lies but what I see from my experience.
Based on comments you've made in other threads regarding clubbing I have to imagine your personal experience is skewed. If you want to stand out at a club then yes, you're going to need to be a lot taller. That is the truth. But, what I also see as an objective truth is that glamorous women in tight dresses aren't the standard that represents women in general. At 5'7, you can make a dating profile right now and have absolutely no problem finding hundreds of attractive women who'd be interested in you (assuming you're not Quasimodo). Barring living in a Scandinavian country, I personally find it absolutely insane to consider LL at 5'7. I don't just say that because I'm way down here, and you're where I'd want to end up -- I just think that the 99.9999999% of 5'7 men in our countries do not feel short, insecure with their height or think that it affects their life in any negative way. There are much more women who wouldn't even think twice about a guy's 5'7 height than there are that want much taller. Outside of this forum I've never seen a guy that tall feel this way. I've seen plenty of them living completely normal lives with attractive girlfriends, etc.
QUESTION: Are you supposed to measure your height in the morning, night (or both then average?).
Quote from: psilocybe on January 01, 2018, 06:21:48 AMYes, from the US. I'm looking for shyness, introversion, humility. Someone who's a deep thinker, intellectual. I have to assume that girls dating online have more extroverted personalities. Most of them are very outgoing -- or at least think they need to give off the "I'm the most outgoing person in the world" vibe.
I can do both femurs and tibias, no? I'd have to do a mock up but I would assume femurs as from my perspective in a mirror my femurs look much more on the short side than my tibias.
Based on comments you've made in other threads regarding clubbing I have to imagine your personal experience is skewed. If you want to stand out at a club then yes, you're going to need to be a lot taller. That is the truth. But, what I also see as an objective truth is that glamorous women in tight dresses aren't the standard that represents women in general. At 5'7, you can make a dating profile right now and have absolutely no problem finding hundreds of attractive women who'd be interested in you (assuming you're not Quasimodo). Barring living in a Scandinavian country, I personally find it absolutely insane to consider LL at 5'7. I don't just say that because I'm way down here, and you're where I'd want to end up -- I just think that the 99.9999999% of 5'7 men in our countries do not feel short, insecure with their height or think that it affects their life in any negative way. There are much more women who wouldn't even think twice about a guy's 5'7 height than there are that want much taller. Outside of this forum I've never seen a guy that tall feel this way. I've seen plenty of them living completely normal lives with attractive girlfriends, etc.
QUESTION: Are you supposed to measure your height in the morning, night (or both then average?).
I am not 5.7 (1.70), I've written to you before that I am 5.9 (1.75,5) morning height and 1.74 (5.85) evening height.
And no, the majority of 5.7 people in the west, where average height is about 5.10, feel short(er) and they are as 3 inches from completely average is not a short amount.
But still at my height I feel a big drawback. And if clubs and all these places that people meet each other to flirt is not a place where you can see how attractive you are to the opposite gender then what is it, a library?
Sorry but I want to have a good appearance to be able to talk and attract women everywhere, and that contains clubs, bars and all these. I don't plan to be an intellectual to attract a girl not faithful to meet a girl in church and all these.
I just want to attract a girl with my appearance and then win her with my character, this is the most sensible think imo.
Anyway, maybe at your country 5.7 is a respectable height but for my country it is nothing more than the last border between average and short.
My height, 5.9, is way better than 5.7 and even 2 inches at that heights can really change a lot but still, you are so close to women with heels that still you don't have the benefit to appear tall when you talk to them, unless they are shorter than 5.4 but most women nowadays aren't.
Most people don't even know that they have a different height between morning and night as they have enough height to not care about if they lose 2cm-1 inch from day to night.
I don't know what is our real height, morning or evening but I've measured them both and I have a difference of 1.5-2 cm. However, even now I think this difference is not so few when I hit 1.81 height (which is my after second LL target) I won't care about that at all.
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