Quote from: Body Builder on January 01, 2018, 01:04:11 PMI am not 5.7 (1.70), I've written to you before that I am 5.9 (1.75,5) morning height and 1.74 (5.85) evening height.
And no, the majority of 5.7 people in the west, where average height is about 5.10, feel short(er) and they are as 3 inches from completely average is not a short amount.
But still at my height I feel a big drawback. And if clubs and all these places that people meet each other to flirt is not a place where you can see how attractive you are to the opposite gender then what is it, a library?
Sorry but I want to have a good appearance to be able to talk and attract women everywhere, and that contains clubs, bars and all these. I don't plan to be an intellectual to attract a girl not faithful to meet a girl in church and all these.
I just want to attract a girl with my appearance and then win her with my character, this is the most sensible think imo.
Anyway, maybe at your country 5.7 is a respectable height but for my country it is nothing more than the last border between average and short.
My height, 5.9, is way better than 5.7 and even 2 inches at that heights can really change a lot but still, you are so close to women with heels that still you don't have the benefit to appear tall when you talk to them, unless they are shorter than 5.4 but most women nowadays aren't.
Most people don't even know that they have a different height between morning and night as they have enough height to not care about if they lose 2cm-1 inch from day to night.
I don't know what is our real height, morning or evening but I've measured them both and I have a difference of 1.5-2 cm. However, even now I think this difference is not so few when I hit 1.81 height (which is my after second LL target) I won't care about that at all.
You are both right.
You can live happily at 5'7 (specially coming from anything under 5'6), and every centimeter increase around that range (164~174cm) does increase your options a lot, simply in terms of the bell curve and percentiles, depending on where you live. Being above 5'7 (170cm) in places like Japan doesn't increase your options much (ignoring the appearance benefits), because it's like being over 180cm (5'11) in Norway. Girls 170cm and over in Japan are like girls 180cm and over in Norway. They're used to dating same height or a bit lower. Whereas going over 5'7 in most Western countries makes sense, but it's also true you don't need that to be happy. Most women are still 170cm or under, so you'll be in the playing field, at least. Not that it's impossible to find anyone if you're under that, as we've discussed, but we're also in a CLL forum - we know it helps.
Quote from: psilocybe on January 01, 2018, 06:21:48 AM
I can do both femurs and tibias, no? I'd have to do a mock up but I would assume femurs as from my perspective in a mirror my femurs look much more on the short side than my tibias.
QUESTION: Are you supposed to measure your height in the morning, night (or both then average?).
Regarding the first: you can do both. However, I have never been looking into something like that, so I don't know much about it. The risk of embolism is higher when you do more than one bone at once, but I'm not sure all cross-lengthening does the lengthening in tibias and femurs simultaneously.
Regarding the second question: most people here list their morning height (just after waking up, their max height), and also their bed height (just before bed, their minimum height). Check out stretching exercises if you want to increase your height naturally too. It's not much, but it's something. I've gained a bit over 1cm of height with them, and I'm still doing them everyday to keep track if it will increase more.
Quote from: Body Builder on January 01, 2018, 01:04:11 PMI am not 5.7 (1.70), I've written to you before that I am 5.9 (1.75,5) morning height and 1.74 (5.85) evening height.
And no, the majority of 5.7 people in the west, where average height is about 5.10, feel short(er) and they are as 3 inches from completely average is not a short amount.
But still at my height I feel a big drawback. And if clubs and all these places that people meet each other to flirt is not a place where you can see how attractive you are to the opposite gender then what is it, a library?
Sorry but I want to have a good appearance to be able to talk and attract women everywhere, and that contains clubs, bars and all these. I don't plan to be an intellectual to attract a girl not faithful to meet a girl in church and all these.
I just want to attract a girl with my appearance and then win her with my character, this is the most sensible think imo.
Anyway, maybe at your country 5.7 is a respectable height but for my country it is nothing more than the last border between average and short.
My height, 5.9, is way better than 5.7 and even 2 inches at that heights can really change a lot but still, you are so close to women with heels that still you don't have the benefit to appear tall when you talk to them, unless they are shorter than 5.4 but most women nowadays aren't.
Most people don't even know that they have a different height between morning and night as they have enough height to not care about if they lose 2cm-1 inch from day to night.
I don't know what is our real height, morning or evening but I've measured them both and I have a difference of 1.5-2 cm. However, even now I think this difference is not so few when I hit 1.81 height (which is my after second LL target) I won't care about that at all.
5'9, even better. I'm happy for you! Sorry, I thought average height in US was 5'7. Maybe it used to be? Years ago when I was looking into this it was - so I'm assuming people are getting taller (noooo!). Anyway, if you're 5'9 and the average height in the US/UK is 5'9 then what's the problem? Ok, I get it -- you want to be better than average. I don't blame you (what guy wouldn't want to be?), but I do think there's some psychological issues if an "average" height man is insecure about his height.
The disconnect is trying to understand why club/bar scene is your preferred place to find a partner. Are we talking flings or for serious dating/relationships? I don't think there's anything wrong with clubbing I just think you're walking into a beauty contest on both sides. The type of people that go there are primarily concerned with looks -- isn't that the point? In other words, there's going to be more than plenty very attractive women who will be into you outside of that scene, that aren't concerned with you not being as tall as the next guy, who are just as attractive... Just my 2 cents.
Psilocybe, have you already used lifts/insoles and shoes for height? That's what most members here do. It seems to be an important part of letting people get to know you first for many here. It can also help give you perspective to ponder on whether LL is for you.
Quote from: psilocybe on January 02, 2018, 06:35:36 AM5'9, even better. I'm happy for you! Sorry, I thought average height in US was 5'7. Maybe it used to be? Years ago when I was looking into this it was - so I'm assuming people are getting taller (noooo!). Anyway, if you're 5'9 and the average height in the US/UK is 5'9 then what's the problem? Ok, I get it -- you want to be better than average. I don't blame you (what guy wouldn't want to be?), but I do think there's some psychological issues if an "average" height man is insecure about his height.
The disconnect is trying to understand why club/bar scene is your preferred place to find a partner. Are we talking flings or for serious dating/relationships? I don't think there's anything wrong with clubbing I just think you're walking into a beauty contest on both sides. The type of people that go there are primarily concerned with looks -- isn't that the point? In other words, there's going to be more than plenty very attractive women who will be into you outside of that scene, that aren't concerned with you not being as tall as the next guy, who are just as attractive... Just my 2 cents.
Average height has been about 5'9'' to 5'10'' in the US for the past 30-40 years. The good news is that is has almost stopped increasing, so at least you won't have to worry about that.
What Body Builder says is his personal opinion, his personal worldview. It doesn't have to be yours. Don't let other people tell you that you cannot possibly be happy or satifsied at X height, that would be a very crippling worldview. I know it sounds like a dumb phrase, but you have to look for happiness in your own, very personal way. LL can be a part of that process, but be aware of the costs, limitations and possible consequences. There's also tons of short girls out there, even a lot who are at 5'3'' or even below. One of my classmates from university had his first kid with his girlfriend a couple months ago, at only around 25 years, and he's definitely not taller than about 5'7''-5'8'' from what I estimate. Don't give up hope.
5'7 - 5'8 is perfectly normal IMO. It might be below average but being 5 - 10 pounds more than "average weight" or something isn't going to ruin anyone's life. As I mentioned, almost all women on these dating sites are looking for 5'7+. Girls 5'3 and below aren't any less demanding in their height preferences. In fact, they seem even more demanding. It's far more common to find 4'10 - 5'2 girls that want at least 5'10 than it is to find 5'6 girls that want at least 5'10. I'm repeating myself here but it's not height difference that matters. In other words, a 4'11 girl DOES have a problem with a 5'3 guy (4 inch difference) but a 5'5 girl doesn't have a problem with 5'9.
Quote from: myloginacct on January 02, 2018, 07:34:10 AMPsilocybe, have you already used lifts/insoles and shoes for height? That's what most members here do. It seems to be an important part of letting people get to know you first for many here. It can also help give you perspective to ponder on whether LL is for you.
Tried this in my early 20's and felt really stupid. Aside from feeling like a woman walking around in high heels, it never really did anything for me. Here in the winter everyone's house you go into they're going to want you to take your shoes off anyway. To my mind these types of shoes are more appropriate for people who when taking them off people aren't going to think "wow you're REALLY short"
Quote from: psilocybe on January 03, 2018, 04:16:46 AMTried this in my early 20's and felt really stupid. Aside from feeling like a woman walking around in high heels, it never really did anything for me. Here in the winter everyone's house you go into they're going to want you to take your shoes off anyway. To my mind these types of shoes are more appropriate for people who when taking them off people aren't going to think "wow you're REALLY short"
Yeah, taking them off is always terrible. I was thinking more about whether a 6/8cm (around 2.3 / 3 inches) increase total with a combination of shoe + lifts would make you feel satisfied enough, when out in the crowds, that considering LL with those targets could really be something to think about. It could also do the opposite: maybe you'd feel it still wasn't enough, and it could help taking LL off your mind.
And I know we joked about moving to another country here, but maybe some holidays in a much shorter country like the Philippines or any of the Pacific Islands (Polynesia/Micronesia) wouldn't be such a bad idea. Who knows who could you meet there? Will certainly be a more pleasant experience than LL with the money.
Quote from: myloginacct on January 03, 2018, 05:30:28 AMYeah, taking them off is always terrible. I was thinking more about whether a 6/8cm (around 2.3 / 3 inches) increase total with a combination of shoe + lifts would make you feel satisfied enough, when out in the crowds, that considering LL with those targets could really be something to think about. It could also do the opposite: maybe you'd feel it still wasn't enough, and it could help taking LL off your mind.
And I know we joked about moving to another country here, but maybe some holidays in a much shorter country like the Philippines or any of the Pacific Islands (Polynesia/Micronesia) wouldn't be such a bad idea. Who knows who could you meet there? Will certainly be a more pleasant experience than LL with the money.
I don't think that's a bad idea. But, as I mentioned you'd have to pretty much remain in that country. The girls here from those countries aren't any less shallow (I've seen plenty that want tall men specifically). The benefit is not the girls per se - but living in a country where tall men aren't really around to begin with...
I wouldn't do LL just for dating though. The first thing anyone notices about me is my height. Being judged/treated differently for it sucks. I'd want LL to feel (more) normal, too. I wouldn't do it unless I could get to 5'6, though. Preferably 5'7. That's 3 - 4 inches.
Quote from: psilocybe on January 03, 2018, 11:55:05 AMThe girls here from those countries aren't any less shallow (I've seen plenty that want tall men specifically).
Heightism is cultural. It's better in the countries their families came from.
QuoteI wouldn't do LL just for dating though. The first thing anyone notices about me is my height. Being judged/treated differently for it sucks. I'd want LL to feel (more) normal, too. I wouldn't do it unless I could get to 5'6, though. Preferably 5'7. That's 3 - 4 inches.
You can get 3 inches or very close to it if you do femurs. It's just more expensive. If you are aware of the risks, consequences, have tried to overcome height neurosis in all other ways (e.g. therapy), then I see LL as an option. I'm 100% sure you don't need it to find someone for you, but to feel good about yourself is a whole other subject. Only you can know the answer to that.
Quote from: myloginacct on January 03, 2018, 08:34:51 PMHeightism is cultural. It's better in the countries their families came from.
You can get 3 inches or very close to it if you do femurs. It's just more expensive. If you are aware of the risks, consequences, have tried to overcome height neurosis in all other ways (e.g. therapy), then I see LL as an option. I'm 100% sure you don't need it to find someone for you, but to feel good about yourself is a whole other subject. Only you can know the answer to that.
I'm about 15% sure, based on the last couple weeks of online dating. Girls I'm attracted to skip over me. The way I see it is that no matter what I have to offer, there's always a whole pool of guys with the same things and taller. The girls who message me are generally less attractive and there's almost a recognition of "I'm ugly, you're short". Ugly isn't the right word but you get the point I'm trying to make.
Maybe if Body Builder and I throw down on a Groupon we can get some freestyle dance lessons and girls at the club will start to notice us
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