Doctors or salesmen? Cases of dishonesty in LL

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Quote from: blahblah on January 09, 2016, 04:58:49 AMAlu, thank you for your reply. I agree, but 6 posts all about defending one doctor just seems fishy to me. So are you saying LLuser provoked him from leaving the lurking realm to start responding to any post about a certain DR? Why would anyone defend a Dr that they don't know, and just to have a sole purpose on this forum to defend him? I am not attacking or even insinuating anything here I am just trying to keep an open mind. What if LLuser is right? Now I am not saying he is, but even if there is .001% chance he is right I would like to know and I bet so would many others when it comes to these matters. We do not want another Sarin situation on our hands because we were too ignorant to listen - all I am saying is lets start putting our defenses up until we can prove beyond a reasonable doubt that LLuser is full of sh*t.

What has Lluser claimed that people think is untrue/slanderous?

Edit - I read his old posts. I would say *all* doctors performing LL have had a subpar result at least once. It's an extremely risky procedure. So it's not controversial for him to say Monegal has had complications - of course he has. That's part of the game. What is controversial is suggesting that the Dr deliberately tries to hide them to the point of suggesting he has had *no* problems. This I can't comment on, but I can't imagine a Dr making such a claim.

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I have just been a guest and decided to start posting as I had been following the post and Lluser sounded like a doctor to me thats all wchich I thought needed to be brought to light

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Hi LLuser  happy new year

This is my last post between You and me.
You need to change Your sources.
You step in a few weeks ago and 29 out of Your 30 posts Are directly pointing Either at me and The Fitbone technique. You came in and explained a complete diferent story. Now You changed It all over and You Are still something That is far from reality.

I cannot blame You because We never met. As said I only changed 1 implant out Of 47 used this year because Of malfunction. I have no problem with complications. As I explained I have witnessed severe complications after 15 years in straight forward procedures.

You explain a complete diferent story about an external fixator. Maybe this is something about a limb reconstruction procedure...don t know

But You Are not a doctor and You need to know a few things:

1- all patients sign a consent form in which all complications Are explained. Plus all patients coming Are aware Of The Kind Of procedure They undergo and The type Of complications That may arise.

2- There is a prínciple Of confidentiality between doctors and patients and I cannot post It in public.

3- all my patients Are discharged and We use a report template in which heparine is prescribed in all cases. So You Are once again posting false testimonial.

About The external fixator. I never had to use It in my american patient. Now You change The whole story  and Now It is a female member Of The forum. Nothing to do with reality. The problem Is You stept in to cause negative impact Either in me and other doctors which It seems You do not like. Some users suggested You Are a doctor or You promote some others... I don t think so.

As Dror Paley defined 25 years ago doctors describe problems, obstacles and complications When doing limb lengthening procedures:

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Dror_Paley/publication/20751607_Problems_Obstacles_and_Complications_of_Limb_Lengthening_by_the_Ilizarov_Technique/links/00b49533af15b97258000000.pdf?inViewer=0&pdfJsDownload=0&origin=publication_detail

It seems for non Medical trained people like You, all goes into The same bag and It is Just doctors fault and everything is Just a complication.

My speciality is limb and joint reconstruction so I receive patients from other doctors with severe complications and I fix them. Some Are Really tricky. But I will never do a public negative impact Of Any Of These doctors because They all deserve my respect. That is why I know You Are not a doctor. Because You show no respect.

I was wrong with You. I must apologize If I responded too energetically at some moment. I am young and I am probably not used to be judged at a public place like this forum. It is very hard for me to deal with inaccurate and false information given by people like You. I cannot blame You...I guess this is part Of The game.

I Feel sorry to leave You Now But I am heading to The Clinic to perform a femur case. I hope everything goes perfect and I wish You would Feel exactly The same.

So, happy new year and I wish You The best.

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Quote from: Thatdude950 on January 09, 2016, 06:12:58 AMWhat has Lluser claimed that people think is untrue/slanderous?

Edit - I read his old posts. I would say *all* doctors performing LL have had a subpar result at least once. It's an extremely risky procedure. So it's not controversial for him to say Monegal has had complications - of course he has. That's part of the game. What is controversial is suggesting that the Dr deliberately tries to hide them to the point of suggesting he has had *no* problems. This I can't comment on, but I can't imagine a Dr making such a claim.

This doctor tried to hide his bad results. Chsn was one of the patients who visited the guesthouse in October and he recognized it in one of his posts.

Quote2. About  LLuser1....If he is the person I think he is, he was one of the guys that visited Mic in october.....He accuses Monegal for beeing dishonest in the sence that he witheld information about Musicmaker and other patients that had complications when Monegal said there was no complications......The truth is that Monegal said "I have never had a major complication like a non-union, but there is always a risk with surgery".......LLuser1 has in the past done surgery with one of the top surgeons who really screwed him up in one of the worst ways.. so for LLuser1 to be suspicous about LL doctors and feel that Monegal was dishonest that musicmakers case was not mentioned during our consultation, I can understand him....

To conclude: Everything that has been written about Monegal and his patients I believe is false, except the part when Monegal said there was no major complication.....Musicmaker I believe suffered some complications....And he should have told us about that case....
However with that said the complication doesent need to be the doctors fault....and complications  can happen with all good doctors, the important thing is when a complication do arise the doctor knows what to do and tries to fix the problem as best as he can....

So it's true in the guiding tour he introduced prospective patients to ALL his current patients but musicmaker.

He said he had no patients with major complications but this girl has major complications and is still wheelchairbounded since 2014 because of multiple complications, obstacles and so on, and he didn't mention her. He said all his patients were fine and no major complications.

He took prospective patients to the clinic where there was a young guy doing quads, then to the guesthouse and introduced all patients but musicmaker (GLenn, Bohemia, Krp) Why? Hers is an horror story, one of the worst I've seen in these forums. He didn't want us to see that, because hers were true complications. There were problems with fractures, deformities, malfunction of implants, and for other patients misalignments, nerve issues and screw problems... He wasn't honest.

If we do further research we can find more fishy details about this case and other patients who weren't at the guesthouse at that moment. You ask me to back up my claims. I am telling the truth. How can I prove it? The doctor should prove that he isn't lying too (he is) but you don't ask him to back up his claims. Unfair at least.

You can ask patients. They are scared but perhaps they will tell the truth in the future.

This doctor seems nice and friendly but when you learn more about him I don't like some aspects of his personality. He becomes a totally different person, like Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. He's unpredictable. He is very similar to Dr Betz in some aspects. In other aspects he is a totally new specimen for forums. We have never seen a doctor behaving like that in the forums.

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Quote from: LLuser1 on January 09, 2016, 12:30:35 AMI made some mistakes in my posts. Musicmaker's left leg is probably OK but I know she is wheelchair bounded, so... […]

Dude, seriously — now you're just discrediting yourself for assuming things and writing approximations. The doctor's answer is much more precise and explanatory than anything you ever wrote on this forum. The sheer idea of Dr. Monegal posting fake diaries and creating side profiles to lure prospective patients in his office is frankly ludicrous. I could maybe comprehend that sort of reasoning for the most dodgy Indian doctors but not for him. I'm not a blind believer but common sense applies.

That said, I'm curious what Melodymaker has to say about these accusations. Care to chime in?

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You were not at The MIC in october.

Secondly I asked MM If she wanted to see prospective patients and she did not want to.

Third If a patient falls and has a fracture DOCTORS do not consider It a complication from surgery. It Is probably difficult for You to understand.

Fourth i did not have nerve complications, Just some nerve discomfort caused by The lengthening itself.

Mislignments? Having a rod in prevents That. You can read a paper from 1990 from Your beloved Dr Paley and You will learn a bit because You have no idea on What You Are talking about.

As said yesterday I Did change an implant and pushed 3 screws in, But You know what? Nothing happened on each case and I wouldn t call It a serious complication. It makes me laugth everytime You focused in This.

Jekyll and Mr Hyde? Hahha That s funny.
Betz? You show no respect to anyone. And You Are obsessed, You melt info and You spread false accusations.

You came in here and call me specimen? 32 out Of Your 33 posts Are Either attacking me and ir The Fitbone surgery. Everyone knows The type Of specimen You Are.

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Quote from: Europa on January 10, 2016, 04:01:15 AMDude, seriously — now you're just discrediting yourself for assuming things and writing approximations. The doctor's answer is much more precise and explanatory than anything you ever wrote on this forum. The sheer idea of Dr. Monegal posting fake diaries and creating side profiles to lure prospective patients in his office is frankly ludicrous. I could maybe comprehend that sort of reasoning for the most dodgy Indian doctors but not for him. I'm not a blind believer but common sense applies.

That said, I'm curious what Melodymaker has to say about these accusations. Care to chime in?

Europa you're misreading the whole thread. I've never said Dr Monegal created fake accounts or diaries. It was Moose and other people who said that. I only said this doctor told his future patients he had no complications in LL and it wasn't true. Many people know for sure he had tricky complications but he denied that.

In my first post I wrote approximations because I got some details from an indirect source (and recognized that) but the story is basically true. No matter what the doctor says in his posts. He wants to keep his bussness high.

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Quote from: LLuser1 on January 10, 2016, 11:26:34 PMEuropa you're misreading the whole thread. I've never said Dr Monegal created fake accounts or diaries. It was Moose and other people who said that. I only said this doctor told his future patients he had no complications in LL and it wasn't true. Many people know for sure he had tricky complications but he denied that.

I'm not misreading anything. You're hinting at it below in the thread you created. You never said it, but that's just playing with words.

Quote from: LLuser1 on December 29, 2015, 02:43:27 AMFROM ANOTHER SITE (BUT IT'S USEFUL HERE TOO) [...]

Quote from: LLuser1 on December 29, 2015, 07:37:50 PMApparently some doctors write positive reviews in their spare time. Other doctors put pressure on patients to write positive reviews. Some diaries are full of lies and hide the truth and people say some have been written by fake users.

Quote from: LLuser1 on December 30, 2015, 03:31:55 PMDr Sarin and other doctors from developing countries did that. Some may be doing that now. I am not a conspiracy theorist, I haven't said Monegal is a 'fraud' but it's a fact he doesn't tell the truth and has a high rate of complications.

Now about these horror stories, I can only judge if I hold all information – that's essentially why I'd like melodymaker to post here.

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Quote from: Europa on January 11, 2016, 01:15:52 AMI'm not misreading anything. You're hinting at it below in the thread you created. You never said it, but that's just playing with words.

Now about these horror stories, I can only judge if I hold all information – that's essentially why I'd like melodymaker to post here.

I was pointing at other doctors in that case. I didn't say Monegal was creating accounts, but he encourages his patients to write positive reviews and hide unpleasant things or complications. They told me so.

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are you serious? does this really happen? i am going to india for a surgery hope I don't face the same  issue from the doctor and hospital staffs? wow this is not so good to hear..