Quote from: Moose on December 08, 2015, 12:59:08 AMThis is what i was about to post in my next off topic post. Dr monegal and that music maker and all those diary's seem full of fking crap I keep giving trying to give him the benefit of the doubt that maybe this guy is legit and what sounded 2 good to be true was legit. but the way he lost his frame arguing on a forum, the number of people (fake accounts) on here suk his dck, and just all the diaries looked like a promotion diary edited to perfection to the benefit of monegal. it was just way to many red flags to ignore.
Anyways i think he is full of it because i knew spain was going through a deep recession and extreme economic woes currently... i didnt think that a doctor would be this desperate to find other means of creating income.
On Bohemia post where he had to hand cash to the doctor instead of the hospital i knew 100% this guy was full of crap but again i gave the benefit of the doubt. Then i continued reading this "diaries" and saw some of these videos. It was all but indirect way of self promotion. If anyone beleive this musicmaker because shes a chick and you short guys are that lonely and pathetic to believe this typical bitch (it may even be a male behind the account). There was a dude on here named Forcedpuberty who was pretty tough on the guy and for good reason. LL aint no joke and there are people who will take advantage of this situation for money. Remember the first rule of life. EVERYONE IS UTTERLY SELFISH> Whether that selfishness is used towards good or bullcrap everyone is always in it for themselves. don't ever underestimate it.
I noticed some people who actually LL are considering him and i really hope they reconsider and get a more reliable doctor. Other people can continue to go to this guy but i wouldnt risk it. I trust my gut feeling over most things and personally its never let me down.
Let's not jump into any conclusions here mate. We don't really know the full picture here; and no real reason to throw Musicmaker under the bus and then run her over.
First though, let me say that I do agree with the point that Polycrates made in that there is some dishonesty in this entire business: it's a given. Now, if we are to go based on Bohemia and KrP1's diaries, then we can assume things are as they seem for the most part, considering that Bohemia is already home and not really under the care of Monegal, even though they continue conversation. Hopefully they do come here and clarify somethings.
Quote from: LLuser1 on December 08, 2015, 12:10:54 AMDr Monegal doesn’t tell the truth about his patients. He uses to prepare a tour for his prospective patients, like a salesman does. He shows them the clinic and the guesthouse but he only shows what he wants them to know.
In October some prospective patients visited Dr Monegal’s center and met some actual patients. I have visited the center. Glenn described this tour in his diary. Everything seemed fine but the doctor didn’t tell all the truth to his future patients. He introduced these people to all his current patients but one girl who was also at the guesthouse and who has had very serious complications (Musicmaker??). This is for me a case of dishonesty. I learnt about this after my trip.
I can understand that this is a difficult surgery and sometimes things go wrong, but doctor said none of his patients had had complications which wasn’t true.
After the trip, I made some research. I asked some people (patients and people from the forum) and got to know that it’s not only this girl who had problems, but other people. It seems there is one American guy whose implant failed. Dr told him that he had to be exfixed and he had to pay around 7000 eur. Finally the company sent a free implant for him but it failed too and he had to go to OR again. It isn’t about money but about all the trauma and suffering for that guy. It seems he hasn’t been compensated.
I don’t have more evidence of this than what I have been told. Perhaps patients and doctor himself can explain but I think people should know about this. I feel deceived by the doctor. Dr Monegal should have acted like honest doctors do and say, ‘Look, guys, I try my best, but sometimes complications occur and these are the complications I have had’. But he lied. He said all his surgeries were fantastic and it seems there were at least two people with major complications and other people with other problems like misalignments, screws getting loose and nerve problems which required additional surgeries and consultations with other surgeons.
There are many LL doctors like that. They are businessmen instead of doctors. It seems LL corrupts doctors.
Ok, so you pretty much described all LL doctors...ever. Let's face it no doctor will show you any misfortunes LL patients are undergoing (in fact I'm sure that's the truth for all medicine related surgeries, cosmetic or not). Now I know that patients who undergo LL do face problems and that it won't be an easy ride by any means so I will take a doctor's word with a grain of salt— even from Paley. As to whether they should tell you every single complication from every single case they've had...well that's tricky. I feel like this would be a two fold responsibility; a patient has to go out of his way to get all the information he can from the doctor about LL, as much as the doctor should go out of his way to fully explain the risk of the procedure. If all a doctor can say is that everything is 100% then yeah that's on him. Like I said, we can't really jump to conclusion.
If you are so sure of these examples you listed, then I ask that you tell them to come to the forum and explain their case. If not then we also have to take your word with a grain of salt.
Now is there anything else you know because you made it sound like you know a whole lot more about other doctors you're just not sharing.
(NOTE: I wrote this before Monegal Post as I took a long break before hand)
I was just agreeing to what they said based on my observation. Here are some quotes: