Doctors or salesmen? Cases of dishonesty in LL

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I think you're reading too much into it.

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i understand some of you may try to brush this under the rug. I also believe some of you will actually wake up n understand what im talking about. Again its your legs not mine but im just trying to give people an understanding to not be completely screwed and deceived.

i dont see how im reading to much into this when one of the diary's are literally doing price comparisons to other LL methods/doctors. you cant get a bigger red flag than that.

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That was me.  Since a threat of legal action was made, I thought it best to hide the thread temporarily until the forum owner has a chance to review it and make a decision, since he's the one who would be sued over it.  Dr. Monegal has a business and a reputation to protect, so a threat of legal action from him carries more weight than a similar threat from someone else.

It has nothing to do with protecting Dr. Monegal from criticism or wanting to censor peoples' opinions here.  I'm not going to remove this thread.  You're entitled to your opinion as long as you're being civil, which you weren't in several of the removed posts.

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Please state evidence only against this doctor so i can make a judgement for myself. He is a doctor I was considering.

I was also considering doctor sarin but I read some things that made me very cautious about even going to India.

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While I disagree with Moose’s opinion on Dr. Monegal, I’m glad that he can share his opinion freely on here and others can hear it.  I personally believe the diaries, hard to disbelieve given the detail, photos, videos etc, and find them extremely valuable. To some people, they may be “too good to be true.”  Skepticism is very understandable and necessary given what happened in the old forum.  When I chose my doctor, I wanted to learn all of the good, bad, and ugly.  At that point it was up to me to do the fact checking, consultations, and meeting past and current patients to determine what info is reliable and what the right choice was for me.   

There’s posts about Dr. Paley that link to a blog literally accusing him of attempted murder on a patient. I can’t think of anything more slanderous than that against a doctor, but you don’t see Dr. Paley or anyone from the Paley institute or patients on the forum up in arms about deleting those posts.  It’s really hard to determine what’s true or not on the internet, and censorship of bad stuff about a doctor I think would only hurt people who genuinely wanna learn about LL and the credibility of this forum, which has been a great resource so far.

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Quote from: goldenegg on December 09, 2015, 03:21:40 AMThere’s posts about Dr. Paley that link to a blog literally accusing him of attempted murder on a patient. I can’t think of anything more slanderous than that against a doctor, but you don’t see Dr. Paley or anyone from the Paley institute or patients on the forum up in arms about deleting those posts.  It’s really hard to determine what’s true or not on the internet, and censorship of bad stuff about a doctor I think would only hurt people who genuinely wanna learn about LL and the credibility of this forum, which has been a great resource so far.

To be fair, it's probably because Dr. Paley is too busy to notice it. It's already hard enough to get a hold of him when you're a patient. So why would he have the time to browse these forums. Even with the criticism, he has a lot of surgeries lined up. I feel that every doctor has some bad cases involved with them. It comes with the fact that LL is not a risk-free surgery. Having said that, I advise people to not get LL unless it's a last resort. There's no magical perfect doctor who doesn't have a bad case or doesn't make mistakes. I've seen Dr. Paley make mistakes in surgery with other patients. I'm sure that the other LL doctors have made mistakes in the past as well. You're really gambling with your legs when you get LL. Make no mistake about that. Best to just not do LL if you're not willing to take the gamble.

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Quote from: spaghetti743 on December 09, 2015, 02:57:37 AMPlease state evidence only against this doctor so i can make a judgement for myself. He is a doctor I was considering.

I was also considering doctor sarin but I read some things that made me very cautious about even going to India.

Dear Moderator

I cannot accept insults towards either me and my patients.
I cannot accept people throwing whatever comes up to their minds and throw irresponsible information and false information about my practice.
I have never ex fixed a patient and charged 7000€. That is absolutely false.
Each individual can talk about their own experience, and I fed up with toxic users (call'en trolls or whatever) attacking systematically either me and my patients who are real.

I have been doing LL for The last 11 years and takes a bit longer to become a doctor and so on..
What forum cannot accept is people as:

Forcedpuberty
Greatheigth
Heigthangel
Emef
Yemef
Lluser1

And this last specimen insulting us...this is disgusting.
He affirms something which is Not true. In sspanish we call it difamación.
He is attacking my honor and What is worst, real patients honor.
And he took a post which Was Not pointing towards him very personal. Some users sent me PM giving me all their support and saying those were clon accounts.
other acusations is I manipulate my patient s diariess. I tell Them to post whatever They Want, But be carefull in The type of Medical info They provide to prevent potential trolling attacks.

By The way, you chose If you Want to have real doctors and/or real patients, or to have These people who are toxic and most Not undergoing LL. I have Not participated in The forum and I quit until I figure out What is next step. I kept all The posts piblished yesterday because I cannot accept public dilapidation of either me and my patients and leave it That way.

It s Nothing personal But it s unacceptable. And this post or thread started with an identical post written yesterday. I suggest temporary suspension and banning of this user.

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Mr.Monegal...This comes from the bottom of my heart... but I suggest you can go fk yourself.

An account ban and suspension for a year? lol ill make another just like i believe you have made a bunch of fakes. Yeah that amount of time you invest in these forums gives me the believe your not into LL cause your such a swell guy but i think you strictly in it for financial gains especially the fact you only deal with people for about a week then send them home the rest of the lengthening journey making you waste not to much time with the patient.

Most people and most accounts may defend you but if i can get a couple (actual accounts) that agree or somewhat agree with me that somthing fishy is going on or change a single mind about you than im glad. bohema had to give you 9.5k personally in cash? (at first he posted that he gave you 20k personally in cash guess you found out you are not allowed to travel with more than 10k) tell me that isn't sketchy and in the diary it was stated the reason was for spains high taxes. Lets just say for the benefit of the doubt i feel bad towards you and think the high taxes of spain are somewhat bs. That doesn't take away from all the deceit I believe that you are spilling on here and the unnecessary and unproven rise to fame you have on these forums.

Everything about you is just absurd and i cannot believe people are giving you the benefit of the doubt or even siding with you.

You should learn to negotiate and talk, not immediately threaten. It just solidifies the deceitful clown that you are.

You cant accept peoples opinions or insults? cry more please. Welcome to the internet. Just as you have used it for your personal gains people can call you out, its a double edge sword you ahole. I'm not no media company you can bully into submission.

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I've thought Dr. Monegal was awesome so far based on the diaries. I definitely believe you should express your opinion as long as it's backed by some knowledge/evidence(because trolls), and if you aren't allowed to do that this would just turn into that old forum people moan about.

Here's something LLUser1 sent me:
(I wasn't going to post it for his privacy but then I realized he publicly posted it here so it doesn't matter)
QuoteDr Monegal doesn’t tell the truth about his patients. He uses to prepare a tour for his prospective patients, like a salesman does. He shows them the clinic and the guesthouse but he only shows what he wants them to know.
In October some prospective patients visited Dr Monegal’s center and met some actual patients. I have visited the center. Glenn described this tour in his diary. Everything seemed fine but doctor didn’t tell all the truth to his future patients. He introduced these people to all his current patients but one girl who was also at the guesthouse and who has had very serious complications (Musicmaker??). This is for me a case of dishonesty. I learnt about this after my trip.
I can understand that this is a difficult surgery and sometimes things go wrong, but doctor said none of his patients had had complications which wasn’t true.
After the trip, I made some research. I asked some people (patients and people from the forum) and got to know that it’s not only this girl who had problems, but other people. It seems there is one American guy whose implant failed. Dr told him that he had to be exfixed and he had to pay around 7000 eur. Finally the company sent a free implant for him but it failed too and he had to go to OR again. It isn’t about money but about all the trauma and suffering for that guy. It seems he hasn’t been compensated. 
I don’t have more evidence of this than what I have been told.  Perhaps patients and doctor himself can explain but I think people should know about this. I feel deceived by the doctor. Dr Monegal should have acted like honest doctors do and say, ‘Look, guys, I try my best, but sometimes complications occur and these are the complications I have had’. But he lied. He said all his surgeries were fantastic and it seems there were at least two people with major complications and other people with other problems like screws getting loose and nerve problems (additional surgeries, consultations with other surgeons...).

Just to be clear this is not my analogy- just something I was sent. People have the right to information.

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Quote from: Moose on December 09, 2015, 08:24:21 AMMr.Monegal...This comes from the bottom of my heart... but I suggest you can go fk yourself.

An account ban and suspension for a year? lol ill make another just like i believe you have made a bunch of fakes. Yeah that amount of time you invest in these forums gives me the believe your not into LL cause your such a swell guy but i think you strictly in it for financial gains especially the fact you only deal with people for about a week then send them home the rest of the lengthening journey making you waste not to much time with the patient.

Most people and most accounts may defend you but if i can get a couple (actual accounts) that agree or somewhat agree with me that somthing fishy is going on or change a single mind about you than im glad. bohema had to give you 9.5k personally in cash? (at first he posted that he gave you 20k personally in cash guess you found out you are not allowed to travel with more than 10k) tell me that isn't sketchy and in the diary it was stated the reason was for spains high taxes. Lets just say for the benefit of the doubt i feel bad towards you and think the high taxes of spain are somewhat bs. That doesn't take away from all the deceit I believe that you are spilling on here and the unnecessary and unproven rise to fame you have on these forums.

Everything about you is just absurd and i cannot believe people are giving you the benefit of the doubt or even siding with you.

You should learn to negotiate and talk, not immediately threaten. It just solidifies the deceitful clown that you are.

You cant accept peoples opinions or insults? cry more please. Welcome to the internet. Just as you have used it for your personal gains people can call you out, its a double edge sword you ahole. I'm not no media company you can bully into submission.

Quick question; why do you feel so negative towards Alex? Have you actually had a bad lengthening experience with him?