Doctors or salesmen? Cases of dishonesty in LL

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Quote from: Deads on December 09, 2015, 09:51:18 AMQuick question; why do you feel so negative towards Alex? Have you actually had a bad lengthening experience with him?

Im going to tell you a story of a guy who gloated about being an entrepreneur and was pretty wealthy and successful at a young age selling products. Now you see the results and cant help but respect this man and what he has achieved. You try to follow his formula. You later find out all his products are bullcrap ebooks on "how to get rich fast" pay me 60$ or pay me 200$ for this bullcrap product. All his products were manipulative ways of getting someone to purchase his garbage. Once he got the money its done deal he won he could care less what happens afterwards. Basically he is a scam/con artist. He poses as an entrepreneur saying he sells products which is all true but you always gotta dig a little deeper with people.

In this situation it isn't just peoples money. Its peoples long term health. That alone is enough for me to decide to step in.

Like i said before Spain is going through some major economic troubles.

War, poverty, revolution. They all hinge on economics and economics depends on one key concept. Money. Money... the economic water which we live our lives. We even call it currency. It carries us in its wake, drowns those who are not careful. We use it everyday in nearly every transaction we conduct. We spend our lives working for it Worrying about it, Saving it, Spending it, Pinching it. It defines your social status, It compromises our morals, people are willing to fight, die, and kill for it.

if your going give me a question why i feel negative towards him give me a better question than if i had a bad lengthening experience. If you read closely i said his procedure may be a good LL method but that does not give him a pass on all the deceiving practices he has done on this forum. What he has done surprisingly has continually just rub me the wrong way. I tried to ignore it and give the benefit of the doubt that maybe as more people go to him that maybe just maybe this guy is legit. But as more and more people started catering to him and every forum post had him mentioned it started to really bother me. Yeah i could have ignored all of this and just said fk it its not my legs but it seemed just about all the diarys seem so ingenuine.

I know people and I trust my gut. I am what i am and other people are what they are. I felt like this deceitful practices of this man has gone long enough and felt like stepping in that is all there is to it.

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Moose,

Reading your last few post's you seems to have good intentions but at the Same time it is important to maintain decorum and respect the rules of engagement when using a public platform. Freedom of speech is not absolute, if it were than we will be back in dark ages.

I think you do raise some interesting questions whether assumptions you made are correct, I am not so sure. I believe it is important to keep in mind that Dr. Monegal has made himself available and answered people's questions, which I consider to be a valuable contributions irrespective of intentions behind. I think monegal might be a good option but there is always a slight doubt when some thing seems too good to be.....

By all means express your thoughts but suggest to not stoop to a level where you main point will get lost in name calling and insult trading. IMO it is possible to make your point in an objectively intelligent manner that will give you greater audience, if it were to be so.

Take care and don't take my comments in the right spirit.

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Moose,

Stop being butthurt. You do have a short guy syndrome dude, and you haven't passed a single psychological evaluation. If you did, you'd be doing LL by now and wouldn't spend all your time on this forum making 3rd grade level arguments.

Dr. Monegal might have some unexplained questions, but the way you go about addressing them is childish at best. Have you read your own posts?

Tell me of a doctor that is not doing cosmetic LL for money. Dr. Mahboubian in Los Angeles runs massive billboards off the freeway advertising his services. You think Paley spent decades innovating this field so he can help 5'10 dudes get a modeling job? This is real life kid, I think you are on the cusp of figuring it out.

Also, how can you say that Bohemia's diary is fake? Have you seen the leopard tights and platform boots? That kind of   can't be made up.

PatientZero 2 - Moose 0

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Quote from: Moose on December 09, 2015, 10:04:55 AMIm going to tell you a story of a guy who gloated about being an entrepreneur and was pretty wealthy and successful at a young age selling products. Now you see the results and cant help but respect this man and what he has achieved. You try to follow his formula. You later find out all his products are bullcrap ebooks on "how to get rich fast" pay me 60$ or pay me 200$ for this bullcrap product. All his products were manipulative ways of getting someone to purchase his garbage. Once he got the money its done deal he won he could care less what happens afterwards. Basically he is a scam/con artist. He poses as an entrepreneur saying he sells products which is all true but you always gotta dig a little deeper with people.

In this situation it isn't just peoples money. Its peoples long term health. That alone is enough for me to decide to step in.

Like i said before Spain is going through some major economic troubles.

War, poverty, revolution. They all hinge on economics and economics depends on one key concept. Money. Money... the economic water which we live our lives. We even call it currency. It carries us in its wake, drowns those who are not careful. We use it everyday in nearly every transaction we conduct. We spend our lives working for it Worrying about it, Saving it, Spending it, Pinching it. It defines your social status, It compromises our morals, people are willing to fight, die, and kill for it.

if your going give me a question why i feel negative towards him give me a better question than if i had a bad lengthening experience. If you read closely i said his procedure may be a good LL method but that does not give him a pass on all the deceiving practices he has done on this forum. What he has done surprisingly has continually just rub me the wrong way. I tried to ignore it and give the benefit of the doubt that maybe as more people go to him that maybe just maybe this guy is legit. But as more and more people started catering to him and every forum post had him mentioned it started to really bother me. Yeah i could have ignored all of this and just said fk it its not my legs but it seemed just about all the diarys seem so ingenuine.

I know people and I trust my gut. I am what i am and other people are what they are. I felt like this deceitful practices of this man has gone long enough and felt like stepping in that is all there is to it.

First of all, get to the point in your posts. You ramble on and on and through all of the unnecessary garbage, don't even make a clear point.

You have told us, "maybe monegal is actually good at his job and his LL is the best version."
So you tell us he's a good doctor while trying to make a point that he is not to be trusted?? That makes no sense. All we care about is whether the guy is good at his job. We don't care if he doesn't pay his tax, we don't care that his country is in recession. You spit out so much irrelevant bull  that it's hard to pin point the actual reason you are paying the guy out.

Then you go on to say, "I have been lurking monegals posts and diarys about him and came to a conclusion that he is full of deceitful bullcrap.... i had a gut feeling this guy is not who he says he is."

Right.

You just randomly had a gut feeling?? No proof, no evidence. Just a gut feeling. Then decided to start speaking ill of Dr Alex accusing him of being deceitful.. Where is this deceit?? Where are the people that have been deceived. This is a public forum after all, just cut and paste your proof to this thread. It's easy..... But no, you don't have proof. You just have a gutt feeling. You are willing to drag this mans name through the dirt (and tell us he's good at his job simultaneously, which still makes no fking sense to me) for no apparent reason. You are a troll. Speaking   without proof is slander.. All you are is a big drama queen. I can see why Alex would be pissed at you. You aren't civil and you clearly have nothing to better to do then write paragraphs of crap which amount to nothing.

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It would be sad if this very informative forum become a place for insults and harmful defamation.

Moose, if you don't like Dr. Monegal you have all the right to say it, but strong accusations require strong evidences. You have provided none. Fake diaries? Tax evasion? Deceitful practices? Post your evidences. And btw, "I know people and I trust my gut" does not qualify as an "evidence".

Quote from: Moose on December 09, 2015, 10:04:55 AMLike i said before Spain is going through some major economic troubles.

War, poverty, revolution.

This is ridiculous. Spain at war? Are you being serious? Of course we had (and still have) some economic struggles (like any other country in South Europe), but not even during the toughest years of the recession (2011-2013) there was something like a "war". Using this kind of exaggerations to support your arguments is absurd.

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It makes me laught that you call Dr Monegal money maker when he is the cheapest doctor for internals with fitbone and maybe the cheapest for internals in a developed country. Thankfully to him a lot of patients that havent got the money to do internals with other doctors could do it and dont need to suffer with other older methods.You say that Bohemia's diary is fake and I know him personally and Glenn too.  the same you know that some prospective patients came to the MiC's you should know that they all meet bohemia, Glenn and me . So where is the fake? Or not real patients?

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Quote from: KrP1 on December 09, 2015, 02:27:44 PMIt makes me laught that you call Dr Monegal money maker when he is the cheapest doctor for internals with fitbone and maybe the cheapest for internals in a developed country. Thankfully to him a lot of patients that havent got the money to do internals with other doctors could do it and dont need to suffer with other older methods.You say that Bohemia's diary is fake and I know him personally and Glenn too.  the same you know that some prospective patients came to the MiC's you should know that they all meet bohemia, Glenn and me . So where is the fake? Or not real patients?

When I visited Dr Monegal, I spoke with a patient with LL in two stage too beside he gave the whatsapp of the patient, and I have been chating with him about all the things about LL and the recovery.

I think it is the best way to know about a doctor, the personal experience of a patient.

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I am loving all these aggressive defense of this doctor. Not a single person here has even remotely questioned it other than penguinn. The rest of you seemed to automatically jump to the doctors aid (im not sure why is he giving you a coupon for LL? lol) No Spain isnt at war.Thats not what i was saying you clown learn to read. I was making a strong case as for why people do what they do for money. Some people go about it with integrity and want to help people and it so happens to make money. Other people will be cutthroat and do anything for it.

about the leopard boots in bohemias diary i thought he was a dude? it looks like a chick in that picture.
So patientzero a question for you would be you were staring at this forum for about 12 hours what took you so long to reply? choosing your words carefully? you can add another tally to your worthless score against me. hell make it patientzero 999-0 lmao whatever makes you feel better.

I have yet to see any rational argument other than "oh moose you hate the doctor so much." lmao

The only people who are going to comment are going to be the ones who are riding monegal. The others who i believe i have at least made them question will not say anything to not deal with the hostility of the monegal mob. I have given more evidence other than "i trust my gut" although that is a big part of it. You want to ignore it and highlight a segment that suits your argument thats fine i could care less. People will make there decisions.  I have already made my impact.

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Quote from: Moose on December 09, 2015, 05:01:37 PMI am loving all these aggressive defense of this doctor. Not a single person here has even remotely questioned it other than penguinn. The rest of you seemed to automatically jump to the doctors aid (im not sure why is he giving you a coupon for LL?

I have yet to see any rational argument other than "oh moose you hate the doctor so much." lmao

The only people who are going to comment are going to be the ones who are riding monegal.

You couldn't be more wrong. Not everyone who is not agreeing with you automatically becomes Alex's PR Rep. I assume you haven't read my earlier comment carefully.

Btw I wanted to write earlier that I hope you took my comments in the right spirit but it seems you didn't. If you have believe that Alex might be using his patients to market himself, I think it is possible to point this out and call out some of his practices you don't agree with on ethical grounds without making personal and going OTT with your accusations.

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Quote from: Moose on December 09, 2015, 05:01:37 PMI have given more evidence other than "i trust my gut" although that is a big part of it.

False. You have given zero evidence. You have only mention your guts, expressed your suspicion about a bunch of diaries, and said something about "an American patient" with a complication. Where are the evidences?

Oh wait, now you say that Bohemia looks like a girl with those boots. Maybe that's the ultimate evidence for you.

Plus, you are insulting, proving your lack of temper and education. I don't know why I even bother replying you.

Quote from: Moose on December 09, 2015, 05:01:37 PMI have already made my impact.

Aye. We all agree with that. Thanks for finally revealing your true motivations. 10/10 troll -> made me reply