DoingItForMe's Precice 2 Internal Femurs with Dr. Paley

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Not other people generally.
I'm telling to you and I wrote the reasons why.

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While I do disagree with Bodybuilder to an extant, I see no reason for insulting and calling him names. He has every right to voice his opinion and should not be insulted for it

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 08, 2017, 11:32:41 AMWhile I do disagree with Bodybuilder to an extant, I see no reason for insulting and calling him names. He has every right to voice his opinion and should not be insulted for it

Agreed.

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Quote from: TIBIKE200 on March 08, 2017, 11:32:41 AMWhile I do disagree with Bodybuilder to an extant, I see no reason for insulting and calling him names. He has every right to voice his opinion and should not be insulted for it

Who was calling him names

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Quote from: YourSpaceBoyfriend on March 08, 2017, 03:54:23 PMWho was calling him names

no one

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Quote from: Body Builder on March 08, 2017, 02:31:52 AMFinally, I don't think that we meet necessarily different types of women.
The real difference between us is that I want these women to get attracted to me by my appearance and then my character while you give less significance to your appearance and you try to get these women with your success and your character too of course.
So, we choose different paths to get women and feel good with ourselves.
The good thing for you is that you are completely happy with yourself while I want another LL to feel completely fulfilled and good with me.
But I know that when I get there, I'd feel more successful even I had millions.

Anyway this is your topic and there is no reason to write about me.
I'm glad your LL have gone so good and I hope I'll have so good results too.

Keep strong!

Thanks. I'm just trying to get you to be happy with your height as well. It just sucks to see another LL veteran not being completely happy with himself. It doesn't seem like I can convince you, so I'm going to drop the topic. I feel like you were really hurt by those 5'4"-5'6" girls' comment about your height, and I'm sorry you had to go through that. I've never had a 5'4"-5'6" girl tell me that I was too short at 5'9" - but at 5'6" they did. So that's why I don't think we're meeting the same type of girls. If anything, my 5'4" ex told me that I was too tall for her 5'9" as one of the reasons why she broke up with me after I got LL - the other one being that I have a weird gait.

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I really want to hear more about how you became a self made millionaire.  I'm currently a software engineer at a big 4 (and also 5'6").
I'm not crazy concerned about my height (will likely never get surgery) although I'd take 3" any day over a new Benz.  I'm most interest in how I can quit my 9-5 like you and live big.

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Hey its been a while,how are you man??

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Quote from: DoingItForMe on March 02, 2017, 05:20:58 AMYup, if more potential LLs did this, maybe they'll consider twice about doing this surgery, because they'll see that girls aren't like swarming them after being 6', like they imagined. Instead, me being wealthy and showing fun/lifestyle on my profile made girls swarm my profile.

This is a really great idea, & a good way to test if the fantasies potential LL'ers have actually match up with reality. Make a profile that genuinely represents your (best/idealized, but realistic) self, add +2-3 inches of height & see how much difference it makes.

The reason I think this surgery is crazy is that there's so much that goes into making an attractive man. It takes time to develop yourself, and to develop your wealth.

My situation re: money is very different to what it was 6-7 years ago, & it shows. But it took time. Dropping 100k into something like this is putting your life on hold not just for the few years it takes to recover, but the 10 years it will take to repay the money.  At 30 you'll have nothing, where you should have built up a solid base by this point which gives you the *freedom* to do whatever the fk you want. LL is throwing that down the drain, unless you already have money-- which is why I think DIM's decision to do the surgery is a far more rational than someone's whose got next to nothing & will be putting themselves into debt.   

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Quote from: BelowTheMean on March 07, 2017, 12:40:12 AM
After reading through this, I think our disagreement stems from you trusting what women say a lot more than I do. I believe in their actions much more than their words, and I've seen plenty of girls who appear kind on the surface do some terrible things. You can't always take everything at face value. Maybe it's due to the cynicism from my past experiences, but I think that women (really, all people) tend to say what they think the other person wants to hear, especially if they are incentivized to do so. I also think how a woman feels about a man influences what she thinks about that man. For example, if a woman feels attracted to a man, she'll also think that he's taller and more masculine and vice versa. Because of this, a lot of guys might hear something like "you're too short for me" when the girl really just means "I'm not attracted to you in general." This may be part of the reason why there are many guys here obsessed about height when changing it may not even be a huge impact to dating. It paints a target onto something out of your control and lets you blame it for your failures rather than being introspective.

That being said, I know there are good girls out there...or at least girls that are more capable of good than bad. At least that's what I want to believe, and why I still try. However I think if you add in the limitation that these girls must also be physically attractive, then in my personal experience they are quite rare. The fact that you meet these kinds of girls in abundance when I hardly meet any certainly signifies to me that our differences are much greater than merely two inches of height. Of course I've always understood that height is only a tiny piece of attraction, yet I've let myself obsess over it for so long. Clearly there is still another level that I can push myself to without undergoing cosmetic surgery. That is of course, greatly increasing my wealth. Maybe the types of girls that you are dating are inaccessible to me otherwise.

Don't worry, I won't replace one compulsion with another. I understand that the money itself is not what we want girls to be attracted to, but rather the type of lifestyle that a wealthy person is able to have and the mindset of such a person. Having the portfolio to never need to rely on a job for income, knowing I had the money and freedom to travel and do things on a whim, and having the power to change people's lives are just a few of the qualities that are attractive to women and produce confidence in a guy on another level. These things simply can't be faked with "game", and pretending they don't matter won't make my dating life any better. I understand the necessity of working for myself to become rich, but my life and job have always been comfortable enough to to just go with the flow. Rather than pushing myself in my free time, I've let side projects fizzle and various opportunities slip away. Today that changes. I'm going to knock LL down a few pegs on my priority list and upgrade growing a business to the very top.

So thank you for responding to my posts, DIFM.. it has given me a lot to process. I'd like to think I'm fairly level-headed about the whole LL thing. I have the goal of financial independence and have always been a saver, so I actually do have the assets to pay for femurs with Paley in cash. However, the cost is too big a percentage of my current net worth, and I haven't figured out the best way to take a break from my career, so I never got close to pulling the trigger. I know there are definitely some guys on this forum that would spend all their savings to get the surgery, but I'm not one of them. I will be taking an indefinite break from the forum. While I can never close Pandora's Box, maybe I'll reach the point where I'm just okay with being 5'7". If not, I'll be back... hopefully after I have achieved the aforementioned level of financial success and tried out the corresponding dating life.

Best of luck on your bone growth and hopefully taking the rods out will fix your gait!

I love this post too, especially the bolded.