Quote from: HeightGain on October 26, 2020, 08:13:14 AMZUCC420 - please post the research papers that support your claim that we have the technology right now? I know of no mouse models, or any model species experiments, let alone humans in which shows realistic potential for height growth.
Any technology after animal models would reauire phase trials which would take at least 5 years, most likely considerably longer. There would still remain the unknown long term side effects after that.
Theories in biosciences are very easy to generate and conceptually it is a very easy subject. What is difficult is predicting the efficacy and sequela of any treatment.
Costs of any such treatments will make contemporary technologies look cheap.
How about sheeps? Sheeps grew tall even after their growth plates closed via new growth plate implantation. And this was done in the 90s.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2355295/
QuoteDefects in growth plates due to trauma, infection, or genetic causes can result in bone formation across the defect, bridging the epiphysis and metaphysis, resulting in growth arrest and limb deformation. We have investigated the capacity of implanted chondrocyte cultures to prevent this process. Sheep growth plate chondrocytes were isolated, and after culture at high density produced easily manipulated cartilaginous discs. The tissue was implanted into growth plate defects produced in lambs and the response was assessed histologically. Following implantation, cultures continued to proliferate and maintain a cartilage-like matrix. After 8 to 12 weeks, hypertrophic maturation chondrocyte columnation, and associated endochondral calcification were observed. Culture implantation was always associated with local immune inflammatory reaction, which continued throughout the course of investigation. Cellular survival was variable and resulted in the presence of viable implants as well as residual cartilage matrix devoid of chondrocytes; however, implanted chondrocyte discs always prevented bone bridge formation. These findings encourage the expectation that cultured chondrocytes may provide a useful replacement for the inert interpositional materials currently used in the treatment of growth arrest.The potential of this technique for growth plate replacement, however, requires a more predictable rate of implant survival. The likely reasons for implant loss are discussed.
How about rabbits? This wasn't about growing tall but whether or not cartilage implantation even works taking from one animal (rabbit) into another (sheep). Again done in the 90s, we've come really far in 2020 with working 3d bioprinter, yamanaka factors for new stem cell creation just off the top of my mind which are really crucial.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8945814/
QuoteAn original and reliable technique to culture growth plate chondrocytes was developed to obtain an abundant amount of mature and functional chondrocytes. Growth plates were provided from the epiphysis of 3 week old rabbits. The isolation of the chondrocytes was optimized by the use of trypsin and collagenase. The culture was realized according to the following conditions: seeding at 20,000 or 30,000/cm2 on type I collagen substrate and in Ham F12 medium without a supplementation of glucose or growth factors. After 7 days of culture, the implantation was to be carried out. Different implantation substrates were evaluated in vivo. Agar turned out to be the only substrate to provide strong and healthy chondrocytes 21 days after the grafting. In an other experimentation, the culture was implanted into surgically created defects in the growth plate area. In this case, the culture did not avoid the occurrence of an epiphysiodesis. However, the 6 weeks post operative histologic examination, showed that the implant remained viable, continued to maintain a proteoglycan rich matrix, and began to organize in ordered columns of mature chondrocytes.
We have all the materials needed like I've provided in my previous post, we just need the damn scientists figuring this out directly and this can only be done through funded research. Unlikely such a research will manifest itself but isolated r&d discoveries tangentially related to growth/height will that's for sure.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on October 26, 2020, 12:24:18 PMHow about sheeps? Sheeps grew tall even after their growth plates closed via new growth plate implantation. And this was done in the 90s.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2355295/
How about rabbits? This wasn't about growing tall but whether or not cartilage implantation even works taking from one animal (rabbit) into another (sheep). Again done in the 90s, we've come really far in 2020 with working 3d bioprinter, yamanaka factors for new stem cell creation just off the top of my mind which are really crucial.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8945814/
We have all the materials needed like I've provided in my previous post, we just need the damn scientists figuring this out directly and this can only be done through funded research. Unlikely such a research will manifest itself but isolated r&d discoveries tangentially related to growth/height will that's for sure.
Capitalism needs funding? I thought that capitalism needs investment and risk. But maybe you can take a loan to give it to a scientist to find the perfect pill which, like sheeps (the best animal that can describe people like you), will reopen and close your growth olates wherever you want, like a switch.
Till then, try some hits with the hammer, who knows, it is based on scientific facts as O99 mentioned before, it may get you taller and then with the switch become even taller like sheeps.
Quote from: Body Builder on October 26, 2020, 01:09:51 PMCapitalism needs funding? I thought that capitalism needs investment and risk. But maybe you can take a loan to give it to a scientist to find the perfect pill which, like sheeps (the best animal that can describe people like you), will reopen and close your growth olates wherever you want, like a switch.
Till then, try some hits with the hammer, who knows, it is based on scientific facts as O99 mentioned before, it may get you taller and then with the switch become even taller like sheeps.
You're really pissed at me for calling out your bullŝhit huh? 
Go on assuage your oh so big huge masculine ego that oozes out everytime you post about your escapades while give men advice about women riddling every sentence with masculine just to hammer the point home
yeah you a guy that solely got LL to get liked by women are now apparently liked by them enough to the point where you can dispense advice regarding dating/ŝex,
how becoming a muscle bound fruitcake with long legs after LL transformed you from incel to a chad lmao
please don't consider everyone to be as "smart" as you, cause like you said we are "sheep" and we sheeps do not believe anything an illiterate gym rat broscientist such as yourself say whether it's about women or LL
you might have a few lackeys here and there that'll come to your defense but in all honestly no one gives a ŝhit about you, whether it's people here or women elsewhere
A supposed LL veteran womanizer gymbrahhh still lurking the forums long after his supposed completion of the procedure, I couldn't even make an obvious fake here even if I wanted to troll the ever living ŝhit out of everyone
get the fũck outta here, I will not deign myself any further from even dignifying whatever bantherpiss and ŝhit that comes out of your mouth next
QuoteYou come across as an insecure muscle bound fruitcake that's a regular subscriber of "Art of Manliness" self-help articles written to assuage men with fragile self-esteem issues whose having a midlife "masculinity" crisis, reads Rollo Tomassi's "Positive Masculinity" and Neil's "The Game" books on how to pick up women and keeps on pugnaciously self-aggrandizing like "brahhh dis skinny prettyboy ain't sh¡t standing next to ME and my BadBoi DARK TRIAD PERSONA" on the internet to complete strangers.
Stop comparing yourself to world-class male models and popular celebrities when you ain't sh¡t, just a nobody loser that spent thousands of dollars on a fringe barbaric surgery just to get to average height solely in order to be liked by women lmao.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on October 26, 2020, 02:18:28 PM
man i miss papa franku 
im sure jojis music is good
but its just not the same :/
That sheep research paper was taking cells and implanting them. Where would be the source of these cells in humans? Reprogrammed cells? Foetal cells? Ethical and technical issues with these options and the costs would be significant.
Most model animals used are genetically very similar reducing the risk of rejection and inflammatory response. Despite this an inflammatory response was seen and there was survival issues with the cells. The timeframe until analysis was minimal.
This is pop science, let's take some stem cells inject them into humans and the tissue will grow and regenerate.
I would love new technologies like this to exist but there is nothing suggesting this is on the horizon.
These procedures even if adopted would have unknowns, costs and a surgical procedure - unless you are talking about homing stem cells which is even further away from development.
High cost, surgery and unknowns. Sounds a lot like a procedure that already exists.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on October 26, 2020, 02:18:28 PMYou're really pissed at me for calling out your bullŝhit huh?
Go on assuage your oh so big huge masculine ego that oozes out everytime you post about your escapades while give men advice about women riddling every sentence with masculine just to hammer the point home
yeah you a guy that solely got LL to get liked by women are now apparently liked by them enough to the point where you can dispense advice regarding dating/ŝex,
how becoming a muscle bound fruitcake with long legs after LL transformed you from incel to a chad lmao
please don't consider everyone to be as "smart" as you, cause like you said we are "sheep" and we sheeps do not believe anything an illiterate gym rat broscientist such as yourself say whether it's about women or LL
you might have a few lackeys here and there that'll come to your defense but in all honestly no one gives a ŝhit about you, whether it's people here or women elsewhere
A supposed LL veteran womanizer gymbrahhh still lurking the forums long after his supposed completion of the procedure, I couldn't even make an obvious fake here even if I wanted to troll the ever living ŝhit out of everyone
get the fũck outta here, I will not deign myself any further from even dignifying whatever bantherpiss and ŝhit that comes out of your mouth next
Should I get out, a veteran that answers a lot of pms everyday of people who need my opinion about a lot of things, and who really knows a lot of things about LL (from seeing malunions to many other things thst you don't know about) and let kids like you, who believe to sheep and hammers, writing bs ?
Are you kidding?
Also, except from LL veteran I have life experience due to my age and my character, I am not a young angry incel like you with zero experience to LL and life in general.
So sorry kid but I am not going anywhere, unless I choose to do so. And I am sure people here have much more to learn from me as a veteran and person than a 22yo young man who wants an injection or pill to become taller and his main hope are some experiments on sheeps 30 years ago and capitalism!
Keep going, with your delusions and stupidity which make you believe even in hammering your bones to may become taller you really make my day! 
To be fair though I have not really looked into that new lsjl method but it seems to be where you tap the ends of the tibia with a hammer, key word here being 'tap', by reading some of the posts here it seems like some people think lsjl is having to sledgehammer the bones or something like that lol.
You lose nothing with trying it as far as what I can tell, it should not hurt at all and if it does you are probably hitting rather than tapping. I mean come on guys, tapping your bones lightly with a hammer is not more invasive than literally getting a surgery to split your bones in half.
That being said it does sound stupid I agree but so does LL surgery itself (in the eyes of normal people), some food for thought.
Quote from: levsfri on October 26, 2020, 07:45:48 PMTo be fair though I have not really looked into that new lsjl method but it seems to be where you tap the ends of the tibia with a hammer, key word here being 'tap', by reading some of the posts here it seems like some people think lsjl is having to sledgehammer the bones or something like that lol.
You lose nothing with trying it as far as what I can tell, it should not hurt at all and if it does you are probably hitting rather than tapping. I mean come on guys, tapping your bones lightly with a hammer is not more invasive than literally getting a surgery to split your bones in half.
That being said it does sound stupid I agree but so does LL surgery itself (in the eyes of normal people), some food for thought.
LL is a scientific method that grows new bone.
Lsbjl is a bs for retarded people.
The real stupid is anyone who can't tell the difference between science and self harming for nothing.
Quote from: Body Builder on October 26, 2020, 09:59:42 PMLL is a scientific method that grows new bone.
Lsbjl is a bs for retarded people.
The real stupid is anyone who can't tell the difference between science and self harming for nothing.
Those that do actually try lsjl have nothing to lose except for a few minutes a day, they could gain a few cm or they could maybe not even gain a picometer, costs nothing to try. As far as cosmetic surgeries go LL has to take the cake, this isn't a nosejob, there is no evidence what so ever that anyone comes back from this surgery 100% whether you ask paley or some crazy doc in india. However for some the mental freedom is a good tradeoff for it and for them it may seem worth it.
Quote from: levsfri on October 26, 2020, 11:21:59 PMThose that do actually try lsjl have nothing to lose except for a few minutes a day, they could gain a few cm or they could maybe not even gain a picometer, costs nothing to try. As far as cosmetic surgeries go LL has to take the cake, this isn't a nosejob, there is no evidence what so ever that anyone comes back from this surgery 100% whether you ask paley or some crazy doc in india. However for some the mental freedom is a good tradeoff for it and for them it may seem worth it.
Uhh, sure. levsfri, since you have so much faith in lsjl (and seem to have so much time for it and nothing else better to do), why don't you try it out, then report to us how it goes. Go ahead, tap or hammer on your tibias for several minutes everyday for the next 6 months, or whatever the lsjl recommends. Or crush your tibia ends with metal C-clamps for several minutes everyday for the next 6 months. Or any lsjl method of your choice, just be consistent and do it for the next 6 months.
Then report to all of us your results after it's done. Take plenty of before pictures, videos, and measurements, so you can compare them to the end results.
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