Quote from: Scarface on October 27, 2020, 01:05:01 PM...
The method is protoscience and dismissing it on the grounds that "hurr durr hammer beat sounds ridiculous dangerous" is as ludicrous as dismissing leg lengthening surgery on the basis of "muhh leg brrrreak" having no actual substance to back it. Be a little open minded, stop inflicting half baked opinions on things you don't even know about or how they work based on your one second gaze and throwing around timelines out of thin air when you have no fking clue on the developments are completely closed off to the possibility.
Yes, leg lengthening is currently the only verified, working and somewhat reliable way but other methods which have some theoretical validity to them if refined may lead to appreciable results.
+1
Quote from: Body Builder on October 27, 2020, 02:08:16 PMI have a university degree
Oh let me guess. In BroScience?
Quote from: Body Builder on October 27, 2020, 02:08:16 PMand after all my iq leven
Your iq eleven? I thought it's slightly more, but if you say so..
Quote from: Body Builder on October 27, 2020, 02:08:16 PMcan't be judged from someone that (may) believe on hammering his bones to become taller
Again I don't beleve in stuff, that's for the religious, and I am not; I know or don't know. I posted the links and said there's is no proof that it works and then some slow naives (to use your vocab) like you and Stryder jumped in and wrote it's very dangerous/more dangerous than the surgery and similar BS.
Quote from: Body Builder on October 27, 2020, 02:08:16 PMwhile he is criticizing LL in an LL forum.
LLS*. Yeah, a Limb Lengthening Forum.
Is this Surgery immune to criticism? I've never said it's stupid to do it, but we need a better solution that doesn't permanently damage your legs, involve excruciating pain, risks, etc;
Meanwhile you have posted in every thread about future LLS alternatives "Nothing will change for the next many years".
You called that guy a weirdo, but he isn't close minded and was right about you.
Quote from: extremis on February 24, 2018, 09:00:44 PMIt's a little bit suspicious how hard you're trying to discourage people from seeking alternatives to distraction osteogenesis. I feel like this has less to do with you believing a better solution won't come about "in our lifetimes" and more to do with the fact you've already taken the risks and hampered your physical abilities by doing LL and you don't want anyone else to be able to get a treatment that doesn't do that, i.e. "if I can't have it, no one can" syndrome.
Quote from: O_99 on October 29, 2020, 01:48:30 PM+1
Oh let me guess. In BroScience?
Your iq eleven? I thought it's slightly more, but if you say so..
Again I don't beleve in stuff, that's for the religious, and I am not; I know or don't know. I posted the links and said there's is no proof that it works and then some slow naives (to use your vocab) like you and Stryder jumped in and wrote it's very dangerous/more dangerous than the surgery and similar BS.
LLS*. Yeah, a Limb Lengthening Forum.
Is this Surgery immune to criticism? I've never said it's stupid to do it, but we need a better solution that doesn't permanently damage your legs, involve excruciating pain, risks, etc;
Meanwhile you have posted in every thread about future LLS alternatives "Nothing will change for the next many years".
You called that guy a weirdo, but he isn't close minded and was right about you.
My degree is at exposing morons who hammers themeselves to become taller.
LL, risky as it is, is the only way to become taller.
Hammering your bones, risky or not too, is some stupid bs 9nly for morons and masochists
Quote from: Body Builder on October 29, 2020, 07:35:59 PMMy degree is at exposing morons who hammers themeselves to become taller.
LL, risky as it is, is the only way to become taller.
Hammering your bones, risky or not too, is some stupid bs 9nly for morons and masochists
C'mon, BroScience innit? Do a PhD in stupidity to complete the package.
LLS is the only known way to become taller, as of yet*. Risky, permanently damaging, painful, etc.
As another user wrote, those who decide to do the light tapping have nothing to lose except a few minutes, since it's free. You created a sh*t-show here for nothing, "BuT iT's MoRe DaNgErOuS tHaN tHe SuRgErY!!".
You just don't want a better alternative to appear + are against anyone who's looking for non-invasive ways, it's blatantly obvious.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5240.msg82280#msg82280
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8924.msg90461#msg90461
And
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65471.msg179349#msg179349
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65471.msg180269#msg180269
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65626.msg181827#msg181827
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65517.msg179668#msg179668
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65649.0#lastPost
They even made a different thread about possible non-invasive alternatives partly because of you http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9352
Quote from: O_99 on October 30, 2020, 10:31:49 AMC'mon, BroScience innit? Do a PhD in stupidity to complete the package.
LLS is the only known way to become taller, as of yet*. Risky, permanently damaging, painful, etc.
As another user wrote, those who decide to do the light tapping have nothing to lose except a few minutes, since it's free. You created a sh*t-show here for nothing, "BuT iT's MoRe DaNgErOuS tHaN tHe SuRgErY!!".
You just don't want a better alternative to appear + are against anyone who's looking for non-invasive ways, it's blatantly obvious.
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=5240.msg82280#msg82280
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=8924.msg90461#msg90461
And
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65471.msg179349#msg179349
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65471.msg180269#msg180269
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65626.msg181827#msg181827
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65517.msg179668#msg179668
http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65649.0#lastPost
They even made a different thread about possible non-invasive alternatives partly because of you http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=9352
Yes you are right. I don't want an easy alternative like a pill or injection to gain 5-6cm more, I prefer femur LL and giving 50k+ euros. Because I am a surgeon and I get money from LL.
Your stupidity is hillarious.
You are so genious that you completely worth doing hammering for the rest of your life.
To be honest, maybe you did hammering on your head, thats why you say bs like these. Who knows.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on October 30, 2020, 01:27:35 PM
You are right. But unfortunately I can't let stupid people talk about hammers and bs like that in a forum about LL.
You can talk about it in a group on fb or in a bdsm forum or a forum about stupidity.
But not here, at least unanswered.
Thats why I argue with you, although I shouldn't as Twain said.
I'm starting LSJL soon.
Anyone wants to join?
Quote from: ZUCC420 on October 27, 2020, 07:42:28 PMTo spell it out for you, iPSCs yamanaka factors with auxiliary bio printing can be used to turn any cell into growth plate chondrocytes in vitro, the only problem is finding out a way to do it in vivo effectively without any collateral damage around the region.
Hopefully we won't ever see you here again after you've recovered from the surgery cause the only people who're here after undergoing it are neurotic depressed mess of a human being that can't seem to move on even after supposedly curing their neurosis (yeah and some completely mentally sound veterans).
Hi Zucc
I think you are too much over confident. It is probably because you are too young. I am quite old actually and have high degree education in biology related field, whether you believe or not. In vitro experiment is far different from in vivo animal environment. Turning iPS into chondrocytes in vitro is interesting and informative but still far from being available for in vivo. The first simple reason is that there is no weight pressure in vitro whereas in vivo situation, there is no space for iPS or other stem cells to become chondrocyte or grow plates and weight pressure is too much for new stem cells to form a space for generating a growth plate. Of course, you probably can't or do not want to believe it. That is fine.
I am here not because I still have height depression or anything related but because I may want to do another surgery or to remove my nails without further surgery. I am trying to decide it. Plus, since I also got a lot of help and info from this forum, I would like to help ppl as much as I know until I am completely gone. Don't worry. I will be probably gone forever from here some time next year.
Good luck!
Quote from: Ghostfish on October 31, 2020, 07:55:34 AMHi Zucc
I think you are too much over confident. It is probably because you are too young. I am quite old actually and have high degree education in biology related field, whether you believe or not. In vitro experiment is far different from in vivo animal environment. Turning iPS into chondrocytes in vitro is interesting and informative but still far from being available for in vivo. The first simple reason is that there is no weight pressure in vitro whereas in vivo situation, there is no space for iPS or other stem cells to become chondrocyte or grow plates and weight pressure is too much for new stem cells to form a space for generating a growth plate. Of course, you probably can't or do not want to believe it. That is fine.
I don't know what weight pressure means but even if you have "high degree education in biology related field" that doesn't mean anything other than you have a degree in a field related to biology. I also don't understand your theoretical considerations or worries but my point was simply a basic consequence of using stem cells, the main goal which is to inject them onto the human body that's it, that's like one of the first priority of scientists currently.
If you think you can contribute to the discussion why don't you join https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/lsjl/the-most-important-topic-in-growth-plate-reopening-t1029.html instead of writing off something completely by using undefined terms in an equivocating manner just to assert your conclusion.
Also I've a minor in biology so I've something of a direct high degree education concerning biology but I'm not a person to first consider someone's age or qualifications when having a theoretical discussion.
Quote from: ZUCC420 on October 30, 2020, 01:27:35 PM
Ikr. The guy is not only an idiot, but an arrogant weirdo and a smug.
Quote from: Body Builder on October 30, 2020, 12:40:44 PMYes you are right. I don't want an easy alternative like a pill or injection to gain 5-6cm more, I prefer femur LL and giving 50k+ euros. Because I am a surgeon and I get money from LL.
Your stupidity is hillarious.
You are so genious that you completely worth doing hammering for the rest of your life.
To be honest, maybe you did hammering on your head, thats why you say bs like these. Who knows.
No, because you have already broken your legs and permanently damaged them to increase your height and don't want others to benefit from something less/non invasive.
You also contradict yourself, "I don't criticize scientific things".
Did you click the links? They lead directly to your posts, where you called people discussing potential alternatives cowards, delusionals, stupid idiots, waiting for BS, just because they were disagreeing with you.
You obviously don't do that in real life (if you have one; to begin with), otherwise your hollow head would have wiped the floor "many many years" ago.
Quote from: Harmonica on October 30, 2020, 07:49:52 PMI'm starting LSJL soon.
Anyone wants to join?
You can join that forum, if you haven't already, where other people are trying it out (the new method; with which Tyler/MiniGolfer says he grew from 5'7 to 5'8, http://www.limblengtheningforum.com/index.php?topic=65522.0)
He says he lengthened his finger http://www.naturalheightgrowth.com/2014/10/08/proof-lsjl-loaded-finger-longer/
But we don't know if you can increase the size of your long bones with it. I personally don't have hopes; But haven't ruled it out completely, yet.
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