I'm also 5'8, your height, and honestly I'm planning on doing just 6.5-6.7cm to be a weak 5'11 as my wingspan is 5'10 and the difference between 5'11 and 6 foot isnt even noticiabhle hell even at my height ppl thought my 5'10 friend were the same height. But if your planning on doing 1 surgery just go big and get to 6foot so you can be satisfied.
Quote from: BestOfLuck on June 21, 2023, 08:45:09 PMMy entire point went over your head. Id personally recommend going back to school over LL for you, as criticisms go through one ear and out the other. My point isnt whats more important, the point is that broke fks like yourself shouldnt even be doing the surgery. Go ahead and get a loan and cheap out on this surgery thats your choice. Youll be shocked to realize girls arent interested in dating or getting married to a guy who went broke getting CLL because he was so insecure he opted for THAT over establishing his livelihood first. You really wanna go broke for LL of all things…?
(Edit) i posted this before you edited your reply saying you have 20k, so dont lecture me
Lot of projection going on here. I've told you nothing of myself or my circumstances, I'm just telling you - and it's a fact - that the difference between internal femur money and external tibia money is highly significant for the vast majority of the world. Given you want to get this surgery as young as possible to maximise the benefit, that's even moreso, as in general younger people have less money than older ones.
Of course a girl will be more interested in dating a guy who is taller over a rich manlet, lol. At least any girl who is of prime age that we actually want. No 18 year old girl gives a fk about how much money you have or don't have, jfl. They only start to care about that chit when they're 25+ (i.e. past their peak and on the way down).
Quote from: le0csff on June 21, 2023, 09:17:17 PMLot of projection going on here. I've told you nothing of myself or my circumstances, I'm just telling you - and it's a fact - that the difference between internal femur money and external tibia money is highly significant for the vast majority of the world. Given you want to get this surgery as young as possible to maximise the benefit, that's even moreso, as in general younger people have less money than older ones.
Of course a girl will be more interested in dating a guy who is taller over a rich manlet, lol. At least any girl who is of prime age that we actually want. No 18 year old girl gives a fk about how much money you have or don't have, jfl. They only start to care about that chit when they're 25+ (i.e. past their peak and on the way down).
You dont need to tell me anything, the fact that you worry about money and would consider externals says all i need to know. Im aware its better to do it young. Im 20 and am doing mine in a year so you dont gotta tell me that twice, anyone with a brain would rather get this done young then old, atleast when your young you can still go to clubs and actually fit in.
Quote from: BestOfLuck on June 21, 2023, 09:21:21 PMYou dont need to tell me anything, the fact that you worry about money and would consider externals says all i need to know. Im aware its better to do it young. Im 20 and am doing mine in a year so you dont gotta tell me that twice, anyone with a brain would rather get this done young then old, atleast when your young you can still go to clubs and actually fit in.
Well I do need to tell you something since you seem to think arguing a point means you MUST be in that particular group that'd be affected. It's not true at all, just requires a bit more perspective than your own back garden.
How many young people (lets say 18-22) have $80k? How many have $50k, even? Not all that many. Hell, not even that many have $20k, but it's a more attainable target than 50 or 80. Saving up for internals over externals involves an opportunity cost i.e. the time spent saving is more time on this earth you're living as a manlet. The kind of jobs one is getting at 18-22 aren't the sort that'll allow you to save a lot of money quickly for the most part, although I'm well aware you're going to come back with a totally unverifiable and irrelevant claim that you did it, just to puff yourself up. I don't care, kiddo.
Externals are obviously a weaker option than internals, but that's really just like saying a Ford is a weaker option than a Ferrari. If you need a car, and you can only afford the Ford, well that's what it'll have to be. No point trying to 'save up' for the Ferrari since that's chasing a future that'll probably never come to pass, and if it does you'll be substantially older and missed out on the main benefits of buying it to begin with.
Quote from: le0csff on June 21, 2023, 08:37:10 PMI couldn't give a toss boyo since everyone claims they made their own money from nothing, I have no reason to believe your story over anyone elses. Whether you did or didn't is quite frankly irrelevant anyway, it doesn't mean everyone has a spare 80k (or 50k) to chuck at this. The difference between 50k and 20k could easily be the difference between being able to do the surgery and not being able to do it.
Hardly anyone is claiming external tibias is the best method. Of course if money is unlimited do internals. But don't just brush over the money aspect like it's nothing, price is very very much a consideration for the overwhelming majority of people out there.
Of course being taller is more important than having a 'semi decent job', that's not even remotely debatable.
BTW someone who has $20k saved up isn't 'broke', or even close to it. That's more than the overwhelming majority of Americans and Europeans have in the bank.
I don't give a rats hoohaa about what you think. I know how I made my honest money with honest work. Go and get your tibas done with externals. Do it. Make sure you write a diary, then when you likely develop arthritis in your knees or hips we can all use you as an example and another statistic. We can point to you and tell others what NOT to do.
>Hardly anyone is claiming external tibias is the best method.
Body Builder did, and thats why I replied to him specifically. Did you even read the whole thread? Or do you just post nonsense without getting the full picture first?
>But don't just brush over the money aspect like it's nothing, price is very very much a consideration
This proves you don't read before posting. I already said I acknowledge the price factor. Like I said, I cannot deny that doing externals such as TSF is going to likely be the cheapest way to do Limb Lengthening. I already mentioned that, but like the rest of my argument, you ignored it.
My point is clear. If you want to do external tibias only, go ahead. But understand that it is NOT the safest way to do Limb Lengthening. While you CAN use external devices, you SHOULD NOT due to the complications and risks. While you CAN lengthen tibias alone, you SHOULD NOT due to it significantly increasing the risk of complications such as hip and knee arthritis. Do you understand now, or will you continue to argue in bad faith?
Quote from: le0csff on June 21, 2023, 09:17:17 PMLot of projection going on here. I've told you nothing of myself or my circumstances, I'm just telling you - and it's a fact - that the difference between internal femur money and external tibia money is highly significant for the vast majority of the world. Given you want to get this surgery as young as possible to maximise the benefit, that's even moreso, as in general younger people have less money than older ones.
Of course a girl will be more interested in dating a guy who is taller over a rich manlet, lol. At least any girl who is of prime age that we actually want. No 18 year old girl gives a fk about how much money you have or don't have, jfl. They only start to care about that chit when they're 25+ (i.e. past their peak and on the way down).
I don't know how old you are but I guess early 20s, but women are at their prime between 23-28. I even had a recent discussion about this with collegues haha. Women are at their peak at 25-26 and few maintain their prime till like 32-33. Most 26+ guys I know don't even consider a 18 years ild girl lol
Quote from: NailedLegs on June 21, 2023, 09:40:52 PM
My point is clear. If you want to do external tibias only, go ahead. But understand that it is NOT the safest way to do Limb Lengthening. While you CAN use external devices, you SHOULD NOT due to the complications and risks. While you CAN lengthen tibias alone, you SHOULD NOT due to it significantly increasing the risk of complications such as hip and knee arthritis. Do you understand now, or will you continue to argue in bad faith?
You SHOULD if it's all you can do.
Quote from: informationispower on June 21, 2023, 09:43:28 PMI don't know how old you are but I guess early 20s, but women are at their prime between 23-28. I even had a recent discussion about this with collegues haha. Women are at their peak at 25-26 and few maintain their prime till like 32-33. Most 26+ guys I know don't even consider a 18 years ild girl lol
Absolute rubbish, womens looks peak about 16-19, prime is up to about 22, after that the collagen reaper starts hitting them, earlier if they've been on the drink/drugs lifestyle but it comes for them all pretty quick. No one can seriously suggest a 32 year old is hotter than an 18 year old, major fking copium there.
Quote from: le0csff on June 21, 2023, 09:48:38 PMYou SHOULD if it's all you can do.
Absolute rubbish, womens looks peak about 16-19, prime is up to about 22, after that the collagen reaper starts hitting them, earlier if they've been on the drink/drugs lifestyle but it comes for them all pretty quick. No one can seriously suggest a 32 year old is hotter than an 18 year old, major fking copium there.
Lol. Peak at 16... Are you a pedo or something? Unless you are like max 22 years old, you have no idea what you are talking about
Quote from: informationispower on June 21, 2023, 09:50:11 PMLol. Peak at 16... Are you a pedo or something? Unless you are like max 22 years old, you have no idea what you are talking about
Age of consent in well, just about everywhere outside the cucked USA is between 14-16. Yeah I've banged a 16 year old and a few 17 year olds when I was in my mid 20s, if that makes me a 'pedo' in your book then go right ahead. I'm 31 now and would 100% opt for a 16-21 year old over a 30 year old woman, no doubt about it whatsoever.
Quote from: NailedLegs on June 20, 2023, 07:06:11 PMHere's another study talking about infections with external fixators.
"Most infections were mild or moderate, whereas only 3 (9%) severe deep infections were noted (grade 5)"
So with a sample size of 30, 3 or 9% of them had severe deep infections. Granted, these are trauma patients with an age range of 7-19, but that's who these external frames are for. Not cosmetic patients like us!
Source: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0022346807002874
I cannot deny that external fixators such as TSF are the cheapest way to do Limb Lengthening. But why are we discussing how to do this incredibly invasive procedure cheaply? Why are we pretending that this is a valid option for a cosmetic procedure? I don't believe very many of us, if any at all, are here because of dwarfism or are a trauma patient. So why are we using external fixators?
Because people want to do this surgery for as cheap as possible.
If you want to risk your own legs, that's up to you! But it is wrong to not accurately describe what we're dealing with here!
With internals if there is a deep intramedullar infection it could lead even to amputation.
With externals the only way to have a major infection is to not take any antibiotics for many days while you see your pin site swelling and you suffer from pain. That means you have a butcher as a doctor because in ANY other case he would simoly give you some augmentin or similar antibiotics orally for less than a week and you'll be comoletely fine.
Serious infections are NOT a risk for externals in general. In internals on the other hand infections might be more rare but there are multiple times more serious. There is no way 9% possibilities to have a deep imfection with externals, I am completely sure about it. Maybe 1% but not more than that.
And there is no reason to not use external fixators for LL, especially when we talk about hexapods.
They are fully weight bearing from the first day of your surgery, they can protect you from any malunion, they are way less invasive than any internal nail, they don't need any major surgery to get it out so you only do one big surgery in contrast to internals and it is way cheaper.
The only drawback.is that they are bulky but most patients get.used to them very easy. And they are almost painless compared to internals.
These are the reasons to.use ilizarovs for LL on tibias. And they are way more than the reasons to use internal nails, especially the obsolete mechanical craps that most of LLers use after stryde went off market.
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