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Posted on May 20, 2023, 5:45 pm
#61

Quote from: EndGame on May 20, 2023, 03:14:32 PM
This is in some senses a blue pill vs red pill debate, and I doubt anyone changes their opinion based on the other sides arguments

Yeah, let's just accept the fact that some people are going to be open about their procedures and others will not and it's fine in both cases.

Remember, we're going through this whole journey to finally feel comfortable in our lives so no need to overthink stuff.

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Posted on May 20, 2023, 5:57 pm
#62

But this is not what this thread is about. This is not whether you should tell everyone (or just your partner) about LL or not. I think that's a very personal question and everyone should decide themselves. This is also not about trying to convince someone to tell or not to tell.

This thread was about the "LL hate" based on the comments/feedback we see online, which I believe is very misleading. Whoever wants to believe in is welcome to, but saying with absolute certainty and confidence how women are going to react, when you NEVER EVER experienced that in your life? That seems silly to me.

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Posted on May 20, 2023, 5:57 pm
#63

But this is not what this thread is about. This is not whether you should tell everyone (or just your partner) about LL or not. I think that's a very personal question and everyone should decide themselves. This is also not about trying to convince someone to tell or not to tell.

This thread was about the "LL hate" based on the comments/feedback we see online, which I believe is very misleading. Whoever wants to believe in is welcome to, but saying with absolute certainty and confidence how women are going to react, when you NEVER EVER experienced that in your life? That seems silly to me.

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Posted on May 20, 2023, 7:17 pm
#64

Quote from: hippo60 on May 20, 2023, 05:57:03 PMBut this is not what this thread is about. This is not whether you should tell everyone (or just your partner) about LL or not. I think that's a very personal question and everyone should decide themselves. This is also not about trying to convince someone to tell or not to tell.

This thread was about the "LL hate" based on the comments/feedback we see online, which I believe is very misleading. Whoever wants to believe in is welcome to, but saying with absolute certainty and confidence how women are going to react, when you NEVER EVER experienced that in your life? That seems silly to me.

Not trying to label anyone here with anything negative, but it's crazy how some grown men still think that all women think alike, but i blame social media for it, as most 'red pilled' content puts women in this ALL ALIKE LIGHT when in reality it's far from the truth, like sure a lot of women have same type of preferences and stuff which makes sense BUT to believe all of them will react and act the same just because of a stereotype a CERTAIN niche in social media created is crazy to me.

Anyways, you're free to do whatever you think is most logical for you but to sit here and think that once you do this or that all women will universally decide to love you is a pretty big no no if you wanna have long term success with your potential partners.

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Posted on May 20, 2023, 7:19 pm
#65

A lot of the men here are superficial and want those hot superficial girls.

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Posted on May 20, 2023, 9:40 pm
#66

Quote from: hippo60 on May 20, 2023, 01:51:00 PMI don't think what you're seeing online is indicative of anything. There are a lot of miserable, unhappy people out there who have nothing better to do then spread their misery. If you go by that, there are a lot of other things you should avoid doing because "people online think it's pathetic". It's like if you only watch the news and never step outside you'll think that you're going to get shot as soon as you leave your house. Fortunately, that's not the case.

Personally, honesty is very important for me, so I'm not going to hide it. I do understand there is a "risk" that I tell someone and they won't be interested in me anymore. I'm ok with that. If someone feels that way - I rather know it then don't, and we can go our separate ways. I believe the right person will be ok with it, and if you think literally every woman on earth won't - then I do think you're very delusional.

I'm only beginning my distraction phase right now, and not in a relationship, so I can't comment on relationship specific scenarios. What I can say is that I've told a bunch of women, both friends who know me for a long time, and also a few women I met post surgery, and as I said the reactions were very supportive.

Just to be clear - I don't think there is anything I can say that will change your mind. That's fine, so I'm not even trying to do that. I just want to establish that your entire view on the topic is completely hypothetical, "backed" by online comments only, which I think are pretty much meaningless.

You haven't even done LL yet so you don't have either any experience about how a woman that you see romantically would react if you told her what you did.

Do LL first and then try it and come back here to write us your experience. But if this woman suddenly disappear or lose interest for you because subconciously she would see you as weak or with low self esteem then you'll remember my words. And of course not all women would go away after they learn about LL but for sure many of them will and you won't gain anything from the other ones for your honesty. In the best case they would be just neutral. So you may lose a lot and in the best scenario you won't win anything. So I don't really see even 1 reason to speak openly about LL which is the most extreme cosmetic surgery and most people don't even know it exist.

After all if a woman is ok with short heights she would accept a man even before LL. But women that give much weight on someone's height will most of the times see an LLer as a creep.
If you really like only women who don't give a s**t about height then why you do LL after all? Thats a contradiction.
Women who care about height won't like you if they learn that you did LL. Women who don't care about height would have even liked.you even before LL but many of them won't like you after LL because they would think that you were way too insecure to do something so extreme and although some women don't care about height, almost all of them care about insecurities of a man.
I am not saying that this is right of course, I am saying that it is the harsh reality. And don't tell me again about how I know it, after all I surely know some things more after 12 years after LL and as a generally experienced man about the life of an LLer and about many women's way of thinking compared to someone that hasn't even done it yet.

In a few words, not all but most of women wouldn't be ok to have a serious relationship with an LLer for thinking that he is insecure and/or fear of having short kids (which is plain stupid because many short men have tall kids and the opposite). Both these reasons shouldn't have existed because society and especially women make short men have a harsh time and not some inner or general insecurity and the second for the reason I mentioned.
But they exist and thats the truth. And for me the best way to continue your life after LL without any social stigma is to keep it completely confidential as you have nothing to lose. You may do otherwise of course butnyou will take the risk. Its your choice.

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Posted on May 20, 2023, 11:20 pm
#67

I dont think that you should generalize. I have spoken about this with my current GF as well as male and female friends. Of course if you will say "I wanna cut my legs cause its cool to be taller and f!ck b!tches lol" people are going to judge you like an idiot because you are one. But if you explain that you truly suffer suffer from your height and have sometimes full blown episodes of depression because of it, people who truly care for you will understand
About future gf (i dont think or wish to leave my current one), I dont think I will tell her that not untill very long into the relationship

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Posted on May 20, 2023, 11:30 pm
#68

Quote from: Body Builder on May 20, 2023, 09:40:05 PMYou haven't even done LL yet so you don't have either any experience about how a woman that you see romantically would react if you told her what you did.


What are you smoking buddy? I wrote earlier in this thread that I'm consolidating right now.

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Posted on May 20, 2023, 11:34 pm
#69

Quote from: informationispower on May 20, 2023, 11:20:55 PMI dont think that you should generalize. I have spoken about this with my current GF as well as male and female friends. Of course if you will say "I wanna cut my legs cause its cool to be taller and f!ck b!tches lol" people are going to judge you like an idiot because you are one. But if you explain that you truly suffer suffer from your height and have sometimes full blown episodes of depression because of it, people who truly care for you will understand
About future gf (i dont think or wish to leave my current one), I don't think I will tell her that not until very long into the relationship

EXACTLY, people here expect everyone here are doing surgeries for women when in reality lot of folks here are just wanna feel normal or feel tall enough to feel good about themselves, if anything attention from women will just be a bonus post LL (which is pretty nice ofc i can't just deny that) as well as other possible perks. But on the other hand if you doing it mainly SO YOU CAN SLEEP WITH THE +6'0 IN BIO TINDER GIRL then i'm pretty sure you're going to be judged and be called insecure thus be unsatisfied.

This is not only limited for LL btw, any person who does stuff for others usually gets poor results, this type of dedication should only go towards improving the quality of your mental and physical being not for OTHERS APPROVAL.

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Posted on May 20, 2023, 11:44 pm
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Quote from: hippo60 on May 20, 2023, 01:51:00 PM
I'm only beginning my distraction phase right now, and not in a relationship, so I can't comment on relationship specific scenarios. What I can say is that I've told a bunch of women, both friends who know me for a long time, and also a few women I met post surgery, and as I said the reactions were very supportive.

People will always be supportive to your face, especially women. It is what they say behind your back that is the truth.
Not saying honesty is not the way to go. Just saying, that women appearing supportive when you told them is not always the best evidence to support the claim that there is widespread support for the procedure.

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