When is LL worth it?

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Quote from: Alu on July 13, 2017, 01:32:58 PM1) No
2) If all you can think about is height then point granted, but maybe you're ugly and that could also be a source of insecurity.
Point being you have no real fundamental grasp of a society's culture (especially a Mexican one).

Those people are clearly average or just slightly below average; you didn't pay attention. By that logic anyone who isn't tall isn't worth a damn... and that makes absolutely no sense, so yeah calling you out on your bs right there (don't misconstrue calling out a BS statement with an attack on your personal self).

At 5.8 most people look relatively short unless they have very long (for their height legs).
I look better than the average 5.8-5.9 man only because I did LL.
Yves on the opposite seems on the shorter side because his legs are short compared to his torso but that makes him a very good LL candidate and he will look much better after LL.

And yes, the other men in the pic are the same height or shorter so the comparison has no meaning.
If I was in a picture with 5.6-5.7 guys I would look much better but still compared with completely average men or taller I'd look short.
So we talk about each person individually here and Yves asked for our honest opinion.
It is stupid to say, from this pic at least, that he is completely ok and that his height is not a problem because it clearly is and LL would help a lot to make his body look much better.

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Quote from: Body Builder on July 13, 2017, 01:57:17 PMAt 5.8 most people look relatively short unless they have very long (for their height legs).
I look better than the average 5.8-5.9 man only because I did LL.
Yves on the opposite seems on the shorter side because his legs are short compared to his torso but that makes him a very good LL candidate and he will look much better after LL.

And yes, the other men in the pic are the same height or shorter so the comparison has no meaning.
If I was in a picture with 5.6-5.7 guys I would look much better but still compared with completely average men or taller I'd look short.
So we talk about each person individually here and Yves asked for our honest opinion.
It is stupid to say, from this pic at least, that he is completely ok and that his height is not a problem because it clearly is and LL would help a lot to make his body look much better.

Some people find longer torsos and shorter legs more attractive (on men). Apart from that, aren't there tall people with long torsos and short legs, which would also make their bodies "look short"? Aren't there 5'8-5'9 men with long legs and shorter torsos?

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Quote from: IwannaBeTaller on July 13, 2017, 02:24:29 PMSome people find longer torsos and shorter legs more attractive (on men). Apart from that, aren't there tall people with long torsos and short legs, which would also make their bodies "look short"? Aren't there 5'8-5'9 men with long legs and shorter torsos?

Of course there are. My best friend who is 173cm has much longer legs and arms than me and while we sit down I look a lot taller than him and when we stand up he looks a lot taller than me when we are not standing next to each other. Same goes with tall people. I have seen some huge torsos and short torsos on people of all heights. No one can look short in a pic nor can someone look tall since almost everyone are well proportioned to a certain degree so all the guys in the pic yves posted could well be 6'+.

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Quote from: Alu on July 13, 2017, 01:32:58 PM1) No

Have you tried?
Most people do feel more confident when they are tall compared to others.
So I feel less comfortable in the Netherlands, where most people look down on me, than in Mexico, where most people look up to me.

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People will always look at your overall height first and most people will never take a second to look at proportions. Women, especially, are not keen to look at torso length unless it is freakishly abnormal.

Even as attentive as I am to height, I'm rarely looking at torso length.

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Quote from: yyes on July 12, 2017, 07:21:22 PMYou quoted Zac Efron in an earlier post.

Yes, he can get girls. But hes not only handsome, hesa multi millionaire who went hollywood.

I don't see people commenting on how they love him for his fame or money

Every girl is freaking out over his looks

Some admit he's short and state that , and i quote, "He makes up for it with his muscles".

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Quote from: Body Builder on July 13, 2017, 01:57:17 PMAt 5.8 most people look relatively short unless they have very long (for their height legs).
I look better than the average 5.8-5.9 man only because I did LL.
Yves on the opposite seems on the shorter side because his legs are short compared to his torso but that makes him a very good LL candidate and he will look much better after LL.

And yes, the other men in the pic are the same height or shorter so the comparison has no meaning.
If I was in a picture with 5.6-5.7 guys I would look much better but still compared with completely average men or taller I'd look short.
So we talk about each person individually here and Yves asked for our honest opinion.
It is stupid to say, from this pic at least, that he is completely ok and that his height is not a problem because it clearly is and LL would help a lot to make his body look much better.

Well said Body Builder👏

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Quote from: Body Builder on July 13, 2017, 01:57:17 PMAt 5.8 most people look relatively short unless they have very long (for their height legs).
I look better than the average 5.8-5.9 man only because I did LL.
Yves on the opposite seems on the shorter side because his legs are short compared to his torso but that makes him a very good LL candidate and he will look much better after LL.

And yes, the other men in the pic are the same height or shorter so the comparison has no meaning.
If I was in a picture with 5.6-5.7 guys I would look much better but still compared with completely average men or taller I'd look short.
So we talk about each person individually here and Yves asked for our honest opinion.
It is stupid to say, from this pic at least, that he is completely ok and that his height is not a problem because it clearly is and LL would help a lot to make his body look much better.

His height is shorter than average but not by a lot so there is no problem with his height unless he feels bad about it. You can say that LL can make his body look better but if he's somewhat alright with his body he definitely SHOULD NOT do this surgery as it will hinder his athletic abilities for life.

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Quote from: LLSouthAmerica on July 13, 2017, 11:10:59 PMHis height is shorter than average but not by a lot so there is no problem with his height unless he feels bad about it. You can say that LL can make his body look better but if he's somewhat alright with his body he definitely SHOULD NOT do this surgery as it will hinder his athletic abilities for life.

Whether he feels bad with his height or not, his body looks and IS shorter than average and this is obvious from the photo.
And I don't oblige anyone to do LL but if someone wants my opinion about if LL will benefit him, I say my honest opinion.
Yves will be much benefited from LL, another scrawny 5.10 guy who wanted our opiniom in another topic I wrote to him that his height is not a problem, he only needs to bulk.
I always write what I believe and I really think that Yves body looks on the short side but with LL he will look much better as he has short legs, so for sure it will benefit him.
Whether he wants to do LL or not is his decision and only, but if he was alright with his body I don't think he would asked for opinions in a LL forum.
So for sure he is not ok with his body as almost all of us who are here.

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Quote from: Body Builder on July 14, 2017, 12:19:40 AMWhether he feels bad with his height or not, his body looks and IS shorter than average and this is obvious from the photo.
And I don't oblige anyone to do LL but if someone wants my opinion about if LL will benefit him, I say my honest opinion.
Yves will be much benefited from LL, another scrawny 5.10 guy who wanted our opiniom in another topic I wrote to him that his height is not a problem, he only needs to bulk.
I always write what I believe and I really think that Yves body looks on the short side but with LL he will look much better as he has short legs, so for sure it will benefit him.
Whether he wants to do LL or not is his decision and only, but if he was alright with his body I don't think he would asked for opinions in a LL forum.
So for sure he is not ok with his body as almost all of us who are here.

What I mean is that people might get unrealistic expectations. You cannot say LL will "much benefit" because it may cause permanent problems and reduce athletism in exchange for physical appearance. A scrawny 5'10 guy needs to bulk for what? If he is considering LL because he thinks it will make him alpha, he needs a psychiatrist, not a gym. So a lot of people are unhappy with their height I know I would even if I were 5'8 - 5'10, but would I submit myself to a dangerous surgery or recommend it to someone as a great idea that will MUCH help? Of course not.